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I'm 44. I thought I'd left it too late to have a child. And then I fell in love! (With a man who doesn't want one...) Help!!!

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griselde · 16/09/2014 01:31

I'm not asking for help because I know that no help can be given. But after years of struggling with the children/no children thing, and heartbreak over relationships that failed, and one deeply felt miscarriage, I've found that I still haven't found any peace and equanimity.
Worse, I've found my confusion actually deepen as I've gotten older.
I had a long stint of singledom in my late 30s and early 40s. I was quite depressed during this period. I found it difficult to be an ageing, childless single woman. I felt judged. I felt lonely. I contemplated having a child alone but in the end I decided that it wasn't my top priority. I didn't want to go it alone. I'm in a fairly insecure profession and I worried about how I would provide for it. And Sarah Jessica Parker's line from Sex and the City about "If I'd really wanted a baby, wouldn't I have found a way to have one by now?" resonated with me. I decided that having a meaningful romantic relationship was my top priority and while I, ideally, wanted a child too, I didn't dare raise my expectations that far. And as a 40-something, going dating - internet dating of course at my age - I didn't want to be that cliche: the spermhunter. The He'll Do woman. That's what I'd done in my last relationship. That really had been a bad idea. So I said I "maybe" wanted children. As in I hoped, but I didn't assume.
Anyway, to cut a long story short, I started a relationship with a man who'd said he didn't want children on his profile. On our whatever date, we discussed it. I said I wanted to leave the door open. He said okay. We were both desperate to have sex with each other....
It was a quite magical time. I fell very deeply for him. There was none of that 40-something last chance saloon about it. I felt 25 again. I'd never expected to fall so completely for someone at my age. It felt like more than I could have hoped for. And yet....I wanted more. A year later, I asked him if he'd ever consider us having a child, and he said, yes. I felt overwhelmed.
But it turned out he didn't. It was a blip, he said. A mistake. He's never really wanted children - though he'd contemplated it with an ex - but now it was too late. He'd been very clear, he said. Why on earth did I enter into a relationship with him, a man who didn't want children? Why did you enter a relationship with me, I said, a woman who said "maybe"?
We saw a professional. And it came down to this: I could respect his views. Or we could split up. I felt better because I realised I had a choice. I could choose to leave, or I could choose to stay. I chose to stay.
But it hasn't been the end of it. We fight. We are opposites. We don't handle confrontation well. He's a very loving, sincere, loyal man who I find very attractive. He's clever and successful in his career and we share similar interests. But, we are also opposites. He is very highly strung, organised, disciplined. We're both over emotional.
And I feel a sense of loss....
It's become worse as I get older, partly I think because I fear getting older. And I see how much meaning my parents have had had from their children, and how meaningful I find my adult relationship with them. And I prematurely regret that I won't have that. I've never yearned for a baby per se; but I do mourn the not-having-a-family-of-my-own, particularly when I project ahead to later years. He doesn't understand. If I say such things, he feels under attack. And then I feel like well, it's okay for him, we're doing things his way....
He never contemplated the if-it'll-make-you-happy approach to not-quite-convinced fatherhood. Which I understand and respect...and yet still. It hurts.
So, like I say, I know there are no answers. But I obsessively read other people's accounts: regret at having children, regret at not having children.
He believes that the issue of children - and my ongoing feelings of loss and what he perceives of as resentment toward him - is the root cause of many of our issues. And I feel....misunderstood. I feel like the rows and arguments and flying-off-the-handles break the compact we made when we agreed to settle the children issue: that we would have to be each other's family; that we'd need to be everything to one another. He ended our relationship a year and a half ago in the middle of a fight. Since then, we've both raised question marks, threatened its existence. I feel insecure.
I find this lack of stability totally disorientating and disheartening. And it makes me think I made a mistake about choosing him over having a child. He thinks that I am holding him responsible for decisions I have made.
What is certainly true is that I've made a right royal mess of my life in many respects. I can't believe I'm 44. That I'm in another unstable relationship punctuated by rows and unhappiness. That I've completely fucked up the having-children thing. I dithered over so many things for years. In the absence of making difficult decisions, I made no decisions and drifted for years.....
I console myself with the Sarah Jessica Parker line and call up the ambivalence I've felt about having children - when I remember my childhood I remember very vividly my mother's exhaustion and my father's bad temper and happy holidays and a feeling of claustrophobia. And then, I leaf through friends' and acquaintances' Facebook photos: the women who do seem to have it all. Good jobs and cute children and a husband who seems to delight in them and who was willing to help support them.
I don't have that. And I wouldn't want to give a child any less than that. And it's madness to hold it against my partner. And yet....the way that he's been so singleminded about what he wants and so unconcerned about what I want, and my happiness is a hard pill to swallow.
He's wondering the same, I know: he's told me. As you can see I'm writing this down to try and help me gain perspective....but I would love any thoughts or insights that you think you might be able to bring to bear. I know that it's my fault, by the way. I don't "blame" him. Or do I? Have I deliberately constructed this whole complex scenario to create a scapegoat for my own feelings of ambivalence and indecision about having children? Or is it true...that one is most likely to regret the things you didn't do, rather than the things you did?
Sometimes, I agree with him. I think I am to old. (Not to conceive, I know that, or at least assume; I've always assumed I'd have to have some sort of assistance or foster/adopt). But to be just sending them off to university at the age of 65....(particularly given the aforementioned insecure career).
Ugh. Help!

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chaseface · 16/09/2014 10:03

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Annarose2014 · 16/09/2014 10:03

Yes I agree there's an element of overthinking yourself out of making any decision.

Cos the S&TC quote really only makes sense if you are the sort of person who would have made it happen by now. In other words, its personality-specific.

I also think you may have been using it for years to justify your prevarication.

At 44 if you want a child, you basically have to throw logic out of the window and get down to a sperm clinic pronto. Your fertility might be fine - I have a friend who conceived accidentally at 44 despite having only one ovary! She had a perfectly healthy daughter at 45.

But certainly you can't dither any more.

I also don't think this relationship sounds so amazing that it must be ring-fenced and protected at all costs. Tbh, I don't know if you two are gonna last. Whereas a child really is a lifelong relationship.

And life is long....this particular guy isn't your last chance saloon.

ZenNudist · 16/09/2014 10:03

I think you saying 'maybe' wanting children at 40+ is very ambivalent and you can't hold it against your dp. His view on children was clearly stated when you agreed to meet with him. Yours wasn't.

I know he messed you around when you got into the relationship but without knowing him it's not possible to say he was stringing you along and being manipulative when he said yes he'd consider having children. Considering children at 40something is not realistic. Time has run out. Either firmly try for a baby accepting it might not happen or give up. Keeping on musing didn't help either of you did it?

It's just as likely that he got caught up in the romance and saying things that he believed at the time but later regretted. Anyway you're back to square one. He still doesn't want children.

Denied, you are obsessing about it. I don't mean to sound harsh. You express yourself beautifully in your OP and come across as thoughtful and balanced and reasoned if not reasonable!

It sounds like you have a passionate relationship. You could count yourself lucky. Is he good company? Can you talk endlessly and enjoy time together? If the bad is starting to outweigh the good then maybe it's time to move on but if not maybe its time to stop warring about children and settle for what is good about him.

I think all the people urging you to find fulfilment through having children aren't helping. At this stage in your life I think you need to strongly consider if having children would genuinely make you happy? It's not all happy pics on Facebook. Even the relationship you have with your parents is not guaranteed to be replicated if you have your own children. They could be distant, you could argue! You've got to get through 20 years of hard work, alongside the fun stuff.

There is more to be had out of the life you have effectively chosen. Freedom, focusing on your own interests, new friendships and relationships. Helping others and forming bonds that way. Try and accept your 'lack' of children as a positive choice not a default accidental position. Choose to be happy, in whatever way you can.

pinkfrocks · 16/09/2014 10:11

Maybe it comes back to you not being honest ever with yourself- and now it's all caught up with you.

When you put 'maybe' on the OD profile- was that your honest feeling or was it to attract men who were equally ambivalent? Or was it to attract men who didn't want a child but who might be persuaded by you?

My brother did OD for a while- started in his mid 40s. He made it very clear that he didn't want children in his profile- his own or anyone else's. He was 100% certain. Nevertheless he was inundated by women who had 'maybe children' on their profiles, as well as women who already had 4 children. He got exasperated and ask me 'why do these women keep contacting me- I've said I don't want their children or any of my own'. In the end he was so fed up with women not listening to him that he stopped OD.

I'm only telling you this because I think you have been giving out mixed messages both to this guy and to yourself- all your life. You never knew what you wanted and now it's almost too late you ARE blaming him when you ought to be blaming yourself for dithering during your 20s and 30s.

Gen35 · 16/09/2014 10:20

The thing about that SJP line is that she hadn't made a choice re kids, she'd spent her life overthinking relationships and then decided that because she'd left the second order problem (kids) too late, that was a choice whereas it's just telling yourself you can't have something. Do you have to have your own child, or can you volunteer with children in some capacity? You need to have the courage of your convictions, work out exactly what you do feel and take some risks to try and achieve it. I sympathise, I'm also a overthinking procrastinator and it wasn't until I realised I maybe couldn't have children that I knew I did want them.

rainbowinmyroom · 16/09/2014 10:30

I think that ship may have sailed.

You can find someone to try with, but most clinics have an upper age limit of 43 for using your own eggs.

pinkfrocks · 16/09/2014 10:33

I do wish some posters would s top all the doom and gloom about conception. many women do conceive naturally in their 40s. when women were having 10 children, having a child in your 40s was quite normal.

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rainbowinmyroom · 16/09/2014 10:38

Many women do, many more don't. And there's a big difference between having a 10th and having your first at 45.

The facts are that fertillty declines and so does egg quality, which is why it is known that chance of some genetic conditions like Down Syndrome and of miscarriage increases with maternal age.

The clinics and their upper age limit for using own eggs is because fact backs up how slim your chances are of conceiving in your late 40s.

Gen35 · 16/09/2014 10:45

I do think though that considering the likelihood of pregnancy before deciding whether trying to be a mum is more important than your relationship is why is procrastinators end up in such a muddle. Figure out what you really want, then look into what's achievable and what consequences may need to be accepted. But don't not try to do something you want because it's a long shot, it's not like she wants to be a NASA space pilot or something.

mutternutter · 16/09/2014 10:49

Op you can do this. I did and have no regrets. In action is no action.

griselde · 16/09/2014 10:54

Thank you all so much for your (many and varied) responses. There's a lot here that has hit it's mark. You are a very perceptive bunch. The problem is that I agree with a lot of it..even though much of it is contradictory.
But yes, my dithering, indecision and lack of resolution is what has brought me to this pass. To be clear, I know Facebook is the great lie, or at least a partial one. But I read recently that one of the best barometers of whether you would be happy with a certain decision is to look at someone similar who has made that choice and see if they are. And so I parse those photos...looking for signs. I think as many of you have pointed out that there are other happinesses and other meaning that one can find...I just haven't cracked it yet. And I also know from my close friends that they've loved the child...and hated what it's done to other bits of their lives: their relationship, finances, career...
I thought that investing in this relationship, having a properly meaningful loving relationship would be enough. I felt blessed to have found him and it's been a very passionate, intense experience. I've weathered our rows because I've felt that the lows are the price you pay for the highs. But they have started to erode what we have. And the insecurities that I've brought into the relationship haven't helped. I wanted to marry him, to commit in a way I've never done before ...and he hasn't or at least he would if he could protect his 'assets', a house he owned before we met. I can see his point, it's the first world problems of the mid life relationship, I just don't find it very romantic. I don't really feel like we're a team, us against the world. And anyway, he's never actually asked and given our rows is now never likely to...
I can see how I'm difficult: as many of the posters have pointed out. My indecision over what I want. And yes, I did see a therapist by myself briefly but she was more about pragmatic relationship solutions rather than plumbing the depths of where this comes from. The second poster who called me a commitment phobe..I suspect that's true, but I feel I did make a decision to commit to him. So much so that I put aside my feelings about children. I just haven't felt any reciprocal commitment back...and I've found his focus on what he wants in order for him to be happy..off putting.
( Re conception fertility all that. I readily accept it's unlikely I will have a biological child but donor eggs in foreign clinics are an option. As is adoption/long term fostering.)
To be continued...

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pinkfrocks · 16/09/2014 10:59

rainbow the difference between having your 10th child at 45 and your first is not one of fertility- which you imply- but more how your body copes with the pregnancy. And fertility is not all about the woman. The quality of the man's sperm is just as important- fertility is about a couple's joint fertility- not just the eggs.

rainbowinmyroom · 16/09/2014 12:21

It is a lot about female fertility, which is scientifically known to decline in the mid-to-late 40s. It's a fact.

Floggingmolly · 16/09/2014 12:29

There are particular issues attached to having your first child in your forties though, that just aren't present when it's your eighth or ninth.
I can't quote the full science bit but it's established fact. Those women of yore were not experiencing motherhood for the first time at 44.

Floggingmolly · 16/09/2014 12:32

one of the best barometers of whether you would be happy with a certain decision is to look at someone similar who has made that choice and see if they are
What ridiculous nonsense Hmm

Surreyblah · 16/09/2014 12:45

"He believes that the issue of children - and my ongoing feelings of loss and what he perceives of as resentment toward him - is the root cause of many of our issues. And I feel....misunderstood. I feel like the rows and arguments and flying-off-the-handles break the compact we made when we agreed to settle the children issue: that we would have to be each other's family; that we'd need to be everything to one another."

That is too much pressure for a relationship!

It seems unfair of him to put your relationship troubles down to your feelings about having a child. And unfair of you to resent him for not (in your view) being clear: a biological child was/is a long shot even if he'd agreed to ttc some time ago, and he is obviously not up for being a parent.

Sounds like it is a volatile, difficult relationship and that you want more from him than he is willing to give (marriage, a child, being "everything" to each other).

AlleyCat11 · 16/09/2014 12:47

What you say about the child affecting the relationship, career, finances etc... I think the modern fetishisation of having children / a baby highlights this. Years ago, women did not expect marriage & babies to bed of roses. Because it isn't. Women's Rights, Feminism & the Pill have no doubt improved life for women. But the great debate of our times is women "having it all". I'm sure our grandmothers were glad they'd had families, but happiness & fulfilment... That wasn't always part of the deal. You must think about what's best for you as a person, as a couple. The romantic notion of having children is a media construct, for sure.

FrozenAteMyDaughter · 16/09/2014 12:53

Floggingmolly is certainly right about issues specific to having your first child in your 40s. I was 40 (41 when I gave birth) and whilst I pretty much sailed through pregnancy (apart from my feet and lower legs swelling a lot which they kept an eye on), at least one doctor told me after the birth that I should have been referred straight away for a C-section and not tried for a natural birth as your pelvis is not flexible enough to give birth naturally for the first time in your 40s.

I have no idea whether he was right - there were all sorts of reasons why I ended up with an emergency C-section, not one of which was exclusively age-related. Nevertheless, if you do go down the pregnancy route, it is worth discussing the options and age-related issues with your doctor so that you can avoid makling things more difficult than they need be.

Best of luck whatever you decide. I dithered for ages for various reasons and then one day decided that I more often regretted the things I didn't do than those I did, and DH and I went for it (and not by any sort of straightforward route). I accept that if you may be going it alone as a single mother, there are a lot more issues to consider.

One thing about being an older parent which is good is that, while you might be tired (and I am not convinced I was any more tired than I would have been in my 20s or 30s as I have always been a big sleeper) you often don't feel quite so much that you are missing out by having to stay in a lot more. I had done all the clubbing and exciting travelling I needed by the time DD came along and now find myself using her as an excuse sometimes not to have to go out partying. Also you will not be alone in your 40s these days. I know quite a few older mothers and at the school gates there are plenty also who have had a second or third long after their first one(s) came along. So I am in good company with my wrinkles!

Wishing you all the best, whatever you decide.

AlleyCat11 · 16/09/2014 12:53

Having said that, I do appreciate that your longing / regret is a very real thing.

Ifem · 16/09/2014 12:55

You can make a choice now.

Stay with this man and stop living in the 'would've/could've/should've' of the past.

Or leave him and seek a sperm donor/IVF etc NOW and have that baby.

Nobody can tell you which is right for you. However, the fact that you have reached your mid forties without having children MAY indicate that you didnt actually want them. You may just be having your final 'could've/should've' freak out as you move into a new chapter of your life and close the door on babies for good.

Naicecuppatea · 16/09/2014 13:09

Agree with Ifem. It is time to make that choice now.

FrozenAteMyDaughter · 16/09/2014 13:10

I am not sure that reaching your 40s without having children necessarily means you didn't want them. Personally, I don't think much of the SATC quote (like much of what was said in that series). If you are not actually in a relationship in your 20s or 30s, going solo using a sperm donor is still a big step to take - you are likely to still feel at that stage a relationship within which to have children is still a realistic prospect, particularly as more and more women are having children later in life (or at least it is being discussed more in the media).

FrozenAteMyDaughter · 16/09/2014 13:12

Yes, I agree too - the time to choose is definitely now, at least if you want to give birth to a baby rather than adopt, possibly, an older child.

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