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Another moan about my lovely dp...

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Mascaraohara · 20/09/2006 16:15

Hadn't see him since Thursday morning, he phoned me Sunday (around 1:30) and asked what I was doing.. my reply - nothing right now but will probably take dd for a walk later, the lawn needs mowing though so if you fancy doing that and then spending the rest of the day with us it would be really nice, I'm cooking a roast for 6.. he replies yes that would be great, he'd get up and in the shower. After waiting in for 2 hours whilst staring and the beautful weather I finally call him back (only to wake him up).. Tell him I want to go to the woods do to forget the lawn and I'd do it myself in the evening. Went for a walk. Got back around 4:30 and wanted to get the dinner on, text him to say did he want dinner, reply yes he was in the pub - what time. I reply 6 but it would be nice if he could come in before hand and spend some time with his family as we not seen him since Wednesday...

he turned up at 5:55.

last night I was due to go out at just gone 7:30.. he was due to be in to look after dd, he turned up at 7:30 on the dot because he had to go to the pub. This meant dd got all clingy cos she thought he wasn't coming and so she wanted me to put her to bed.

he is such a pita sometimes... grrr... sometimes I really question our relationship.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/09/2006 16:42

Mascaraohara,
She certainly sees this and more:-
at the moment what she sees is a mummy who goes out to work everyday to pay the bills
(this is good, this shows responsibility on your part)

who has no support from her natural father
(have you pursued him throught the CSA, after all he is financially responsible for her).

who devotes every weekend to having fun and spending time with her
(again good for both you and her)

who also has a boyfriend that spoils her (dd) rotten and loves her to bits
(he may well love your DD but he has serious problems with you and how he treats you - i.e a skivvy)

who is very loving towards her mummy (when he's there)
But he's not there most of the time is he?. When he's not at his parents house, he's with his drinking buddies who seem to take precedence over your good self.

.. shes 4 so it's not an issue atm but agree entirely that it will be in the future

Oh do not kid yourself, she's 4 and smart. I would say it is an issue now, the longer this goes on the longer it will take to extricate yourself from him for good. You ended up going back to him - fgs why?. She is picking up on all this and your reaction to it. How would you feel if she ended up with a user like him in 20-25 years time?.

What's a smart, single, working female and mother like you see in him exactly?. This is co-dependency at its worse. You are neither good nor desireable for each other.

Have you ever thought about why you need someone like this around you both, someone who will ultimately drag you both down with him?. The answers to that question may give you a way forward as well.

Mascaraohara · 21/09/2006 16:50

point taken, will shush. I'm even boring myself now tbh

They are fab times and I'm not the easiest person to get along with.. I will always have very fond memories, just like I do of the first time round

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flashingnose · 22/09/2006 09:10

How did things go last night? Did he read the thread (v brave of you btw)?

CountessDracula · 22/09/2006 10:10

yes I was wondering too

codwiggle · 22/09/2006 10:14

illl email her
the bint

Mascaraohara · 22/09/2006 11:38

(thank you Cod)

Yes he read the thread, this might get long winded so apologies in advance and thanks for thinking of me!...

Well he'd already promised dd could go up the farm to ride her quad last night, so I suggested instead of going out I'd stay up there and we could walk behind her and talk whilst she was riding that round the fields..

As it happens the battery went flat really quickly so quickly d suggested we all go round the fields on the real quad followed my a number of other suggestions that he knew she'd love but which meant we couldn't talk including going to the house to see his mum, sister, dogs and horses all of which dd loves of course! during which his DS suggest we go out tonight and put him on the spot for babysitting which (of course under the circumstances) he agreed to (making the situation even more difficult)

Anyway, finally got home, got dd to bed and he came round, put dinner on - he actually came into the kitchen instead of watching tv and helped cook - asked what he could do etc and we talked, we actually talked - still initiated by me but predominantly lead by him double

The upshot being he offered to stay in during the week and go out less at the weekends and that he wanted to be with me and loved me and a fair bit of grovelling re. birthday present, me being important to him, him loving dd etc (we have talked in the past about adoption if we got married etc to ensure she stayed with him should anything happen to me)

well I told him that I quite enjoy having some evenings to myself (like to potter round and I am the sort of person that needs space - I struggle with holidays etc when I feel trapped with people) so I suggested that he comes in during the week after work and then if he wants to go out for a beer later in the evenings some nights then that would be good. he thought this would be a good idea and has promised not to drink every night.

he has even offered to babysit some Fridays if I want to go out and then him go out on Saturdays (this was a major shock!) and we both agreed to have Sundays as a family day (which I know I'm going to find difficult) I will reduce this to some Sundays once he's proved himself serious as I have lots I like to do on weekends with dd, see friends with their children etc

it's very much a last ditch effort on both our parts, so I guess the next few weeks are obviously going to be touch and go. He will effectively be changing his whole lifestyle.. what remains to be seen is
a) whether he can cope with that (enjoy it?)
b) whether it makes me happy or whether I will just find fault with something else..

..I am aware it all sounds a bit namby pamby but I feel he is my soul mate and I know he's always felt that way about me, I think we owe it to ourselves to give it one last try to make each other happy.

Last night we cracked open a bottle of wine after our talk and we actually talked and laughed together (I'd forgotten what that was like).

I am hoping that he holds up his end and doesn't slip, I have made it clear there will be no other chance and that if he doesn't do what he says that it will really show that he doesn't love me.

He has sacrificed a lot to be with me this second time round and I do feel that sometimes I just keep asking more and more from him and he keeps giving that isn't fair and I am sure that there'll come a point when he says no, I can't keep doing this.

Oh the other thing was he mentioned I'd seemed distant for the last few months and maybe it was my meds, I pointed out that it was merely that a few months ago I made a conscious decision not to nag him about staying in and banned him coming back to mine Friday/Saturday nights.. he never said anything but I think it made him realise think that is how he knew I cared (because I was nagging him) and now I don't he thinks I don't care iykwim.

no proof reading.. apols if it doesn't make sense.

Thanks for reading and for your input. I love hearing what you guys have to say! I think I'll even strech to a virtual

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Mascaraohara · 22/09/2006 11:39

blimey - that does look like an essay - sorry.. it's probably not worth reading - don't waste your time!!!

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flashingnose · 22/09/2006 12:49

I really really hope it works out for you - everyone deserves to be happy.

And if it doesn't, we'll still be here to listen.

Good luck

Mascaraohara · 22/09/2006 12:50

thank you, obviously things aren't fab atm but hey - who knows..

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/09/2006 13:11

Mascaraohara

I could give you a good shake honestly!!.

You have told this man, whom you think is an alcoholic (he does not think this unsurpisingly) that if he wants to go out for a beer later in the evenings some nights then that would be good!!.

You've been distant for the last few months because you are unhappy with his behaviours!!. He has behaved consistently badly week in week out with regards to your good self.

Why are you so blind when it comes to him?. Love is blind yes, but you have a deathwish! (sigh emoticon).

Mascaraohara · 22/09/2006 13:17

Oh no, I fel very told off!! Feel like reaching under the desk and pretending to pull up my knee length socks.

It's a very difficult situation to describe, he's far from perfect but neither am I and however badly he behaves I do get this overwhelming sense of love from him.

I left him the first time because I wanted to spend more quality time with him and it's quite possible I'm about to do the same. I explained this to him - I hope it made him realise.

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Rocklover · 22/09/2006 14:30

Mascara, I'm sorry if this offends, but the way you word your posts suggests that you already know that nothing will change and you are willing to stay. I am actually confused at why you are essentially posting identical post after identical post.
Your posts sound like you are finding all of this amusing, I can't understand why. If you want to stay, then stay and stop thinking about what it would be like to split. If you want to leave, make the decision and take action, you need to make up your mind for your DDs sake.

FWIW I do agree with the other ladies, but to me, you also seem to be so dependent on this man and if I were you, that would concern me most.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/09/2006 14:30

Mascaraohara

No-one is perfect y'know but you seem to be again on a hiding to nothing here. Why do you put yourself through this?. Not to mention your own daughter.

You get an overwhelming sense of love from him?. All he gives you is emotional pain and at heart I think you are trying to save and or rescue him.

My guess for what its worth is that you have become conditioned to all these excess highs and deep lows, perhaps you've had other abusive relationships. If you split up the first time around because you wanted to spend more quality time with him, this is indicative of him not wanting to spend much quality time with you in the first place. He sees you I think as his enabler, you enable him to continue his behaviours as his parents have done. Everyone has made it easy for him.

If he was serious he would turn his life around off his own efforts, not through anyone telling him to.

Anyway you may continue to pull up your knee length socks!. On a more serious note I just write to tell you how I see it, no pussyfotting around here.

Mascaraohara · 22/09/2006 16:48
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AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/09/2006 17:04

Mascaraohara

Running away from it won't help anyone least of all your good self.

You are an independent woman with a daughter who is both loved and cherished by you. I am just stating that both you and her deserve far more than what is currently being offered by this man.

Show me how brave you are by not doing a descriptive runner from the thread but returning to it.

Mascaraohara · 22/09/2006 17:15

I have to leave for the weekend now

(yes I am joking about the clinking figners bit and making light of it) I do have to leave now though. Please don't think I haven't listened and that I feel it's over, made my decision etc it's all very much up in the air still as there is other history to consider.. I am spending a lot of time reflecting at the moment.

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Mascaraohara · 25/09/2006 09:15

For anybody who is interested I just thought I'd give you a quick update on the first weekend...

He babysat for me Friday night so I could go out with friends (including his friends) had a lovely night, got in a bout 1am - had great *. Whilst out ended up having a brilliant (and reassuring) chat with one of his best mates about our relationship.. came out the blue and his mate (who is also a friend of mine) was saying really lovely stuff - how he talks about me and dd and how he can just see he loves me, how we made for each other etc how he worships dd and how it must have been hard for him under the circumstances etc

Saturday he got up before lunchtime and actually left the house when we did to do a full days work, I had a lovely day/night doing what I normally do on a Saturday.

Sunday i rang him at 10:15 and he actually got up, even though he'd been out all night!!!! we met at starbucks for brunch - he then came back to mine, took dd out for a couple of hours while I went for a run - i then met them in the pub, took dd home to get dinner on, he stayed for 'one more pint' BUT actually did only stay for one more pint (bloody amazing).. he helped bath dd whilst I was cooking. Had a lovely dinner and he stayed in for the rest of the evening.. so all in all quite a successful first weekend - fingers crossed for the next one.

If anything I found it hard spending so much time together and even asked him if he was going home on Sunday evening (he looked a bit hurt) and I realised that I was being a cow cos dd had been a PITA all day (even smacked me in the face hard enough to draw blood) and I was stressed. He didn't go home but did give me a big hug then take himself off to bed which gave me a chance to wind down.

Upshot of the Friday night babysitting was that he didn't mind it and we are now talking about him babysitting every other Friday

I'll let you know how next weekend goes but overall I think this was a positive first step.

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