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How would you / did you approach your dhs drinking?

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clarella · 24/08/2014 01:02

I'm currently too unwell and tired to post more; I just would like some pointers please. Tia

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Morethanalittlebitconfused · 24/08/2014 11:15

Making moves to leave him this week

clarella · 24/08/2014 11:15

Thanks Cogito. Extremely helpful Brew

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clarella · 24/08/2014 11:18

Oh I'm sorry morethan. I hope you feel much happier soon.

I'm going to start saying: this makes me feel...
And that behaviour is .....

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Monstermissy36 · 24/08/2014 11:26

When ex and I met it was in a boozy environment where we both worked, we all drank and socialised lots. When the first ds was born I obviously stopped and settled into family life. He didn't. This is when his drinking problems really were highlighted.

He loved it if I was drinking of an evening as he could without grief or guilt. Over 16 years of so much grief I can't go into or my post would be pages long he left. He left because I begged him too he made me very ill and I felt completely trapped by him. He spent his wages within days, he hid vodka behind kitchen kick boards, he was emotionally abusive to name a bit.

4 years after he left he's re married and living a life of Riley while I'm still licking my wounds and picking up my life.

My advice is if it's bad never stay hoping it will get better. I've never been so manipulated and lied to In My life. He's broken me.

Address it soon if it's a problem and if he refuses to, walk away while you still have the strength to.

Letticebonhamcarter1974 · 24/08/2014 11:26

My father was a very gifted man, but, like many who fit that descriptor, he was a hopeless alcoholic for almost all of his life. The protection we had against his alcoholism was a comfortable upbringing, which if employed correctly covers almost traces of the problem publicly, but privately my mother endured a great deal despite having the foresight to recognise before many that my father's alcoholism was a disease state. An illness.

The definition of an addiction is when a habit evolves into something rathe more profound that causes mental, emotional or physical to the addict or to those around them. Having grown up with an alcoholic there can be a temptation to make the situation 'personal' - it is almost impossible not to do this, but it does not make the problem better for you or for them. Saying that they will "always be the same" or name-calling as some do, solves nothing. It merely takes attention away from the illness and focuses it on the individual's character instead. We would not do this to someone who had diabetes - a chronic illness, and it is almost always unhelpful to do the same with an addict.

If it is the case that alcoholism is the issue then that must be addressed as an illness. If you approached a doctor about it who knew their job, they would have compassion and understand how hard it was both for you and for the addict. To stand any chance of hope, the first step is to recognise that the addict is not able to control their addiction. They are responsible for wellness but they are not to blame for their illness. This might sound hokey, but for the last ten years of my father's life it was due to this approach that he found sobriety and finally enjoyed happiness with his family.

The personal has to removed from the equation. I apologise if it sounds trite, but underneath every addict is a desperate human with the normal range of human emotion who is often completely enslaved by their addiction. Alcohol causes physical dependence. If an alcoholic does not get a drink they will begin to withdraw. This partly explains some of the behaviour you have described. This does not even begin to factor in the psychological dependence which in many ways is more powerful. If your partner is an alcoholic he needs help and empathy not scorn and derision. I lived for seventeen years with an unpredictable, often frightening father, who's entire personality was twisted by alcohol - the illness of alcoholism.

The most critical question you must ask is - do you love this person enough to ride the storm? It was probably different in my situation as a daughter's love for his father is unconditional. But if you want him, and your relationship. If you want the possibility of happiness then it will take enormous amounts of courage on your part to firstly confront the situation with tact and sensitivity, and secondly, to help guide your partner back to the road of sobriety - and a possible chance at happiness again. It is possible. We only got ten years with my father but it was worth every moment and he would have been the first to shout that fact from the rooftops.

I hope I haven't sounded too blunt. Alcoholism is a living hell for partners, children and parents. But the worst kind of hell is experienced by the alcoholic themselves, who is forever seeking a dribble of happiness in the bottom of a glass.

Best wishes

Lettice Bonham Carter

Morethanalittlebitconfused · 24/08/2014 11:35

Sorry but I don't subscribe to it being an illness, it's a lifestyle choice for a large part and only a small part - the tipping point - then becomes chemical dependency to whatever substance they are addicted to.

The OP's husband and indeed mine choose to go to the pub, they choose to drink however many bottles of wine or cans of cider of an evening. It may be they aren't yet at the chemical dependency stage as they can have 'dry spells' so keeping it in the choice.

They need to address whatever the psychological bullshit reason for the drinking is before they'll stop. In my DH's case fuck knows what that is he had a brilliant childhood, but has always taken on stressful jobs so perhaps it's a way of managing stress for him, but that's an excuse for his lifestyle choice

He chooses to put drink ahead of me, chooses to not look after himself, chooses to blame everyone but himself for how things are panning out for him. It's all bollocks. What's happening to him is a direct result of his drinking. His lifestyle choices

Monstermissy36 · 24/08/2014 11:37

'Love him enough to ride the storm'

I think this is a dangerous approach to take. I love ex more than anything and wanted nothing in life other than to be a happy family unit. That was it. I just wanted us to function as a family.

Him and his illness almost drove me to take my own life. Sometimes no matter how much you love someone you have to walk away and protect yourself and your children.

Monstermissy36 · 24/08/2014 11:40

Also where was his love for his family? Why were me and the children not enough reason to help himself or at least try to?

In my opinion my ex loved his booze more than us. The booze had more appeal. Call it illness if you like but it's still not a reason to stay and let your own life go to shit!

CogitoErgoSometimes · 24/08/2014 11:46

"do you love this person enough to ride the storm?"

That's not a critical question, it's the kind of emotional blackmail that abusers use all the time. When someone is negatively affecting their partner and family with poor behaviour, whether alcohol-related or not, then the responsibility is entirely with them to change behaviour and not a matter of whether the other people 'love them enough'.

A good marriage is not a storm to be ridden....

clarella · 24/08/2014 12:05

..... But in sickness and in health, for better and for worse.

I think everyone's situation is individual. I'm so sorry if it's opened wounds but it's an extremely useful discussion, certainly for me.

I've just wept in the bath about it all.

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clarella · 24/08/2014 12:12

Lettice I do also agree with your points, as well as others'.

At work, I see repetitive comforting behaviours to deal with anxiety. Some are socially acceptable, others not. Some do no harm, others impact on other children, hurting them, scaring them. We have to address all as individuals but recognise their difficulties and disabilities.

This is probably why I allow him, make excuses etc. and I think we sometimes are 'normal' and drinking with friends is 'normal ' certainly for our generation and definitely in the city we live in.

Friends 5 years younger prefer to play computer games to relax.

Thing is, he cannot see that he had any form if illness, anxiety etc . That's allllll my bag!

I'm on antidepressants, and, I've told him, they help me deal with him . He doesn't like that. Probably rather mean of me too!

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clarella · 24/08/2014 12:14

I really want to communicate how unhappy I am. But I don't want to ruin these two days whereby we could be spending quality family time together despite me being a hacking wreck. But when I don't communicate it I struggle to be happy and open with him. It's a front.

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Morethanalittlebitconfused · 24/08/2014 12:17

Have the discussion at the end of a positive day. I find they end up being less confrontational than if we've had a bad day and we try and have one of those discussions

FrontForward · 24/08/2014 12:18

I think alcoholism is a disease. I think some people choose to drink and behave like alcoholism but without the disease aspect of it I.e. It's choice.

Regardless of cause however it is About what you do about it.

do you love him enough to ride the storm Is emotional blackmail. I too reached a point of feeling suicidal and he did not love me enough to change

Do you drag your child into this storm?

Where is your limit here?

Relationships are a choice. He needs to make a choice Does he love you enough?

CogitoErgoSometimes · 24/08/2014 12:18

Everyone has different tolerances. 'For better for worse' is a noble thought but I would argue that you did not walk down the aisle expecting life to be quite this miserable quite so often. There's being understanding & compassionate and there's being taken for a fool. If you're going to talk about vows incidentally isn't there a part about them not being entered into 'lightly or selfishly'?

FWIW my alcohol-loving ex - and you'll appreciate the irony - after years of me naively thinking that more love was all he needed, left me for an OW who he memorably described as 'not being as uptight about it as you'. There's gratitude, eh?

clarella · 24/08/2014 12:18

Yes. Good advice. Thank you.

Will try to work out how to do so.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 24/08/2014 12:20

You're on ADs to cope with him.... That's not a healthy relationship is it?

clarella · 24/08/2014 12:22

www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi8115_prob.html

Hmm well a brief silly google fed back this.

I can say both qs, I know he'd probably say the first one.

Thoughts as a starting point?

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clarella · 24/08/2014 12:25

Thank you for all your kind replies. I'm a coughing choking mess without my contacts in tapping on a phone, sorry if I've not responded directly. I worried about posting but now I'm so glad as it's so helpful to read others experiences, of which I'm so sorry forThanksSad

There's some arseholes about. But some lovely ones too. And a spectrum between.

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clarella · 24/08/2014 12:32

Well, not strictly true about the ads. My brain couldn't cope with my last big thyroid slump ( post baby, probably forgot some meds etc). He found that hard too and was genuinely worried for me and lo. But he still threw his weight about expecting me to be fully well suddenly on his birthday for a random trip somewhere. He's banged on about it for a year. I spent the first two child free days of my holidays thus year worrying about getting his birthday 'right' . I was so unwell back then. I don't think he's aware of how I feel, as I don't assert my self. But I've been too unwell in the past to do so.

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clarella · 24/08/2014 12:34

My mum said she thought he should. Get over himself about that one.

I think being with familiy helps him and by proxy me.

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clarella · 24/08/2014 12:47

Actually, I like the link I've posted above. It alludes to a fair bit of what's been said above especially the view that partners don't have to change, love me as I am etc etc which a person with drink problems can easily hide behind.

I think he's psychologically addicted to the whole social drinking thing. He loves being around fun, and alcohol helps this. And then he gets carried away.

His whole (successful) business was dreamt up over pints with his partner. His is a profession where it seems much is done over pints. There are few women in his world of work too.

I think the drinking is a separate thing to the bullying stuff. I think they cross over at times and feed each other but are essentially different parts of his psyche.

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StillWishihadabs · 24/08/2014 13:05

Wow DH was/is a little like this. Quite young when we had ds, fond of a drink and socialising, basically fairly selfish (as are both his parents)I have ridden the storm, things which helped are in this order;

1)Me articulating clearly what I need emotionally or practically before it gets to crisis point. For example "if you go out on Thursday I am going to be quite resentful as I have already done ABC this week to enable you to XYZ" sometimes he does it anyway, but at least we both know where we stand.

2)A total crisis in the relationship 5 years ago. When he really thought he might lose me he managed to get his shit together (or together enough, enough of the time)

  1. A period of him being the SAHP

  2. Being able to tell him I think he is drinking too much and a no-drinking mon-thurs agreement. Again doesn't always work but at least its something.

He is still a selfish b!"£$d at times tho.

StillWishihadabs · 24/08/2014 13:07

Yes dh is also in a "social " profession where many pints are sunk.

clarella · 24/08/2014 13:20

Yes stillwish that sounds similar, though we met at nearly 30.

Your list sounds good especially the "I'm going to feel resentful if...."

Actually last night, when it was clear he definitely was going to go out I said "I'm trusting you not to get carried away". I'd already said earlier in the day that I thought I might need to spend Sunday recuperating. So I think he got the message last night.

It fxxks me off I have to do that all the time though. And I'm carrying the pain of many days over the last year where it was more important for him to get pissed as it was his right as it was Xmas etcetc.... (Though I'd been managing work with a chest infection and caring for a poorly child all night - infection led to walking pneumonia and two weeks off work) I could have my time in bed when it suited him AFTER he done his Xmas do and recovered enough to look after a baby. Angry

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