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Can someone make sense of this.

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ginandlime · 16/08/2014 13:20

i am controlled, if not by emotion, by logic but the logic is not mine. It's that of an extraordinarily intelligent man. A man I love, although he is not the easier man he used to be.
He has always had an element of control, for over twenty years. He has been very ill and is now seriously disabled, but there are things he can do for himself, although he doesn't.
He's never done a school run, even when we lived within walking distance because 'he doesn't do mornings'. If I said anything the answer was that he was agorophobic. He is, seriously so, but he didn't often get up either. He's never used a washing machine, ironed. He's done other things and he's been a good father. He spent a couple of years cooking once a month.
We argue. More so, now than ever. I will never win an argument. He claims I never back down which is strange, because it's not the case, and I am usually the first to apologise if I get it wrong. I don't argue properly though, I argue emotionally and I get frustrated when he wants to discuss the structure of the argument rather than the point. All this though, is about keeping me in my place. I want to talk about this but it just leaves a complete muddle in my head when I try to untangle it. I know I'm being emotionally abused but I can't describe exactly how. He stomps off to bed when he doesn't get his own way. He controls every fucking room in the house. We can't watch what we want to on the television because he is too disabled to sit on his chair in his study and read or he's bored lying on the bed. We can't make too much noise or listen to music in the conservatory because it's off the sitting room. Can't clean the house because he is up all night and sleeps during the day.
He is the only person I have ever met who complains if his coffee isn't handed to him at immediate drinking temperature, in other words, he cannot wait for it to cool down. He wakes me up almost every night, deliberately.
Our clothes come from charity shops, his from a high street expensive brand. He has a fixed amount out of the bank account every month which is his money to spend as he chooses. This does not include clothes, books, comic books, that's all the family budget. I do not have extra money to spend as I choose, although in fairness he doesn't often question what I spend.
I got something wrong yesterday (in his eyes) I tried to apologise, but wasn't allowed to. I offered to take him to collect something today, but I forgot to re-offer this morning, so he's not happy about that.
I cook meals that aren't suitable. God, have you ever cooked one of those meals that turns out different every time - spag bol for example, if it's different, he won't eat it, I know he has AS, but crikey, a spag bol isn't that different each time.
He uses the dc to create arguments and then blames them, for it going pear shaped, This morning dd1 chatting about what she is doing today and she fucked up (slightly) a coffee she was making for me. No big deal. I just laughed and made another, he had a go at her. We had literally, just got up. Really unfair. He will have a go at her when she's had a few drinks, again, unfair.
I keep trying to make things right but nothing is, it's all my fault and I can't see reason. I rung my 30 year old the other week to check that I wasn't as unhinged as dh says I am. 30 year old says I'm fine.
This is a muddle, because the incidents merge into one and I know he's being unreasonable but I can't for the life of me fish out the exact incidences. We have to accept, without question how difficult his life is, but without acknowledging that there is an impact upon anybody involved with his wellbeing.
I do everything I can to make his life easier. I'd like things too, I'd like to go out once in a while, other than to a supermarket. I'd like to have friends, go for coffee, go to the pictures, can't do any of those things. I went to a funeral recently and paid big time for being out all day. I went to a wedding two days after and paid again.
I actually wish he'd be violent so I had a good solid reason.

OP posts:
FantasticButtocks · 19/08/2014 17:47

He is bullying you. Even your attempts to talk to him are under scrutiny and judged, a way of him controlling the discussion. Instead of sticking to the point of the discussion he is only interested in challenging every word that comes out of your mouth and "correcting" you. You are then put into a position of needing to defend yourself rather than continuing with the point you want to make.

I'm glad you are still going on the holiday and he isn't. Of course he says it's because you all hate him because he's trying to manipulate you into trying to persuade him and prove to him that that isn't true. And he probably has very specific instructions as to how you should demonstrate that and how you are failing to do so.

He is purposefully wrong-footing you.

Very good that you are seeing someone to work through this and try and clarify your feelings about what is actually going on here.

doziedoozie · 19/08/2014 18:27

There's no point discussing things with him. Because he isn't a reasonable person, so trying to prove your point or win him round won't work.

You need to move out and sort out your life, sort out your finances, find somewhere to live.

You don't have to completely abandon him, you can still deal with his finances in the immediate future, you can still continue your caring role in the short term.

But you need to sort out your life and your DD's as a priority.

It's risky depending on someone else understanding the problems and telling you that you should leave as they might not believe what he is like. Also with his illness you might find people make allowances for him being 'grumpy' but they might not believe that he is abusive. You have to make it clear that this is what he is like and has been for years.

Start making some plans.

RollerCola · 19/08/2014 18:42

Glad to hear you're going away without him. It will do you the world of good and will let you see how different life can be without him around.

Can I suggest you make minimal contact with him while you are away. Start to distance yourself from him. It will help.

trackrBird · 19/08/2014 19:17

No you're not in the wrong, and you're not being mean. He comes across as a highly manipulative bully, who is very full of himself and his perceived cleverness. His arguments are all over the place, but it's not worth the effort to pick apart his flawed logic.

It's great to hear you're going on holiday, and opening up to someone, professional and otherwise. When you're away from him, you will start to find yourself again, and feel your energy return. You really sound like you're already detaching.

eddielizzard · 19/08/2014 19:52

yy he is very manipulative. very good at keeping you in your place. you haven't actually managed to have a proper conversation about anything, have you? despite you trying hard.

Homebird8 · 20/08/2014 08:07

I don't think he even knows who we bank with. Just as well if you are going away without him.

Have a wonderful time on your holiday without being made to answer 20 impossible questions every time you're in the same room as him. You are handling this so well. Kind in the face of manipulative and abusive nonsense is more than I could do.

Of course you're not in the wrong. It's a simple equation. He's not allowed to wake you and be unkind, and you're not allowed to refer to him waking you and being mean (which you then wouldn't need to). It's good to bring his bad behaviour up as long as you are safe. It will reinforce your quite reasonable requests to sleep and be appreciated. Of course he won't be prepared to meet your requests, so you will be quite in your rights to keep mentioning his unreasonable behaviour.

I'm glad you're seeing someone. Hope it helps.

eddielizzard · 20/08/2014 09:25

a holiday without him sound wonderful! but i bet he'll never let that happen. he's wanting to create lots of drama and everyone running after him begging him to come. don't do it. i bet he'll just quietly change his mind.

BlackDaisies · 20/08/2014 10:05

I can't imagine him not going either. But here's hoping he does stay at home.

mrsbrownsgirls · 20/08/2014 11:27

I am delighted to hear he is not going on holiday with you.

eddielizzard · 20/08/2014 11:44

if by some miracle he doesn't go on holiday with you (yaaaay!) then he's quite capable of being on his own and you have nothing to worry about.

springydaffs · 20/08/2014 15:49

Good point eddie!

I suspect you are kind, op, and dont want to hurt anyone's feelings. All well and good but your boundaries

springydaffs · 20/08/2014 16:21

... are shit nonexistent. What are you waiting for from him? To uphold your boundaries for you? Are you effectively saying ' please be nice to me'?

Fact is, people like him spot people with poor boundaries a mile off and can't believe their luck. They hone in on people like you. He gets off on exploiting you because you have no idea how to protect yourself, you don't even know how to get what you want; except to be extra nice to get him to be nice (giving him your power and effectively pleading with him to be nice). Who taught you that this how to get respect and your needs met? Or that you even had legitimate needs and are worthy of respect?

I'm sorry to say it but you are teaching your children the same duff rules: be nice and people will be nice back/you are dependant on other people to protect you and respect your boundaries. You are setting them up to be the beacon that abusers, controllers, emotional predators are compelled to exploit.

If you're anything like me, I literally felt dizzy at even the thought that I could expect, even demand, that my boundaries are respected (I had been schooled in a toxic family, had no sense of self). I couldn't see how it was even possible to be respected because I demanded it. I was entirely dependant on other people's whims/integrity.

Your husband has zero integrity yet you beat at his door/drown him in goodness, hoping for a miracle. Its not going to happen, you are too rich a seam. I'm repeating: he GETS OFF on exploiting you, he enjoys having you hopping about and confusing you so you are unable to think the simplest thought. He doesn't want to extinguish you, he wants to keep you in an agony of confusion. He likes it.

So you can TALK until you're blue in the face, he won't listen to a word of it, because you keep on DOING the same old same old - nothing has changed. It's not what you SAY but what you DO that has any effect.

FantasticButtocks · 20/08/2014 18:37

Gosh, Springy you are so eloquent on this subject and so generous to share from your own experiences. Please accept these Thanks from me.

I can only echo Springy's last two sentences add something I learned while in counselling: If you keep on doing what you've always done, you will keep on getting what you always get.

ginandlime · 20/08/2014 19:03

Well, I've been to the doctor, showed her this thread as a way of explaining and I'm going for counselling. I also do have rl support too, told a friend.
The holiday is on/off. At the moment he doesn't want to be in this relationship because I pick on him (asked him not to keep interrupting and let me speak) this is unreasonable because of his AS, he's always done it and he always will and can't help it. Now, that's interesting isn't it.
Anyway, the relationship is falling apart and it's all my fault.
I'm still going, I bet he ends up coming, too. I told him I'm still going no matter what and got a sarcastic enjoy all the seminars etc.
Feeling very 'yeah, bollocks' at the moment and that feels naughty!

OP posts:
springydaffs · 20/08/2014 22:02

Naughty? You need to get evil darling... But i'm sure that'll come in time Smile

Aw thank you for saying i am eloquent, fantastic, and thank you for the flahs - I rather feel I am typing on a crap tablet and can't be arsed to edit once laboriously typed. Means I say more than I would iyswim. But yes I do know about this. Unfortunately.

Glad you got to the GP op and got the ball rolling. Have you got the Lundy Bancroft book yet? Enrolled on the Freedom Programme? Good to work on these in tandem with a counsellor, esp as NHS counselling can take a while to come through.

trackrBird · 20/08/2014 23:20

Good work G&L, you are sounding so strong now! Wine

Cinnamon73 · 21/08/2014 12:56

Being in pain does not give him permission to treat you like shit.

If he loved you he wouldn't take his anger about his condition out on you.

Difficult to leave a man who needs you for everyday care. Imagine he would treat an outside carer like he treats you. Do you think they'd stay around?

I'd start - as of now - to go out regularly, meet friends, go for meals, live your life. There is no way a man who loves you would deny you that. You are not his possession, you are you, and have just the one life.

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