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Can someone make sense of this.

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ginandlime · 16/08/2014 13:20

i am controlled, if not by emotion, by logic but the logic is not mine. It's that of an extraordinarily intelligent man. A man I love, although he is not the easier man he used to be.
He has always had an element of control, for over twenty years. He has been very ill and is now seriously disabled, but there are things he can do for himself, although he doesn't.
He's never done a school run, even when we lived within walking distance because 'he doesn't do mornings'. If I said anything the answer was that he was agorophobic. He is, seriously so, but he didn't often get up either. He's never used a washing machine, ironed. He's done other things and he's been a good father. He spent a couple of years cooking once a month.
We argue. More so, now than ever. I will never win an argument. He claims I never back down which is strange, because it's not the case, and I am usually the first to apologise if I get it wrong. I don't argue properly though, I argue emotionally and I get frustrated when he wants to discuss the structure of the argument rather than the point. All this though, is about keeping me in my place. I want to talk about this but it just leaves a complete muddle in my head when I try to untangle it. I know I'm being emotionally abused but I can't describe exactly how. He stomps off to bed when he doesn't get his own way. He controls every fucking room in the house. We can't watch what we want to on the television because he is too disabled to sit on his chair in his study and read or he's bored lying on the bed. We can't make too much noise or listen to music in the conservatory because it's off the sitting room. Can't clean the house because he is up all night and sleeps during the day.
He is the only person I have ever met who complains if his coffee isn't handed to him at immediate drinking temperature, in other words, he cannot wait for it to cool down. He wakes me up almost every night, deliberately.
Our clothes come from charity shops, his from a high street expensive brand. He has a fixed amount out of the bank account every month which is his money to spend as he chooses. This does not include clothes, books, comic books, that's all the family budget. I do not have extra money to spend as I choose, although in fairness he doesn't often question what I spend.
I got something wrong yesterday (in his eyes) I tried to apologise, but wasn't allowed to. I offered to take him to collect something today, but I forgot to re-offer this morning, so he's not happy about that.
I cook meals that aren't suitable. God, have you ever cooked one of those meals that turns out different every time - spag bol for example, if it's different, he won't eat it, I know he has AS, but crikey, a spag bol isn't that different each time.
He uses the dc to create arguments and then blames them, for it going pear shaped, This morning dd1 chatting about what she is doing today and she fucked up (slightly) a coffee she was making for me. No big deal. I just laughed and made another, he had a go at her. We had literally, just got up. Really unfair. He will have a go at her when she's had a few drinks, again, unfair.
I keep trying to make things right but nothing is, it's all my fault and I can't see reason. I rung my 30 year old the other week to check that I wasn't as unhinged as dh says I am. 30 year old says I'm fine.
This is a muddle, because the incidents merge into one and I know he's being unreasonable but I can't for the life of me fish out the exact incidences. We have to accept, without question how difficult his life is, but without acknowledging that there is an impact upon anybody involved with his wellbeing.
I do everything I can to make his life easier. I'd like things too, I'd like to go out once in a while, other than to a supermarket. I'd like to have friends, go for coffee, go to the pictures, can't do any of those things. I went to a funeral recently and paid big time for being out all day. I went to a wedding two days after and paid again.
I actually wish he'd be violent so I had a good solid reason.

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saltnpepa · 17/08/2014 09:29

Oh dear. You write as if you and him are one person and you can't think about yourself without thinking about him at the same time. You know you are separate people where you are not responsible for him and he is not responsible for you. This sounds like a very enmeshed relationship. You need help, not him, you. No not his AS, you, no not his phobias, you. Can you get to the GP on your own to explain your situation and your concerns for your daughter living in this, and ask for therapy on NHS, no not couples therapy (bet that is what you were thinking, no not therapy for him) therapy for you. Ty to remember the person you once were and start walking back in that direction.

eddielizzard · 17/08/2014 09:44

why do you count for less? why does what you want to achieve not matter? why are you a lesser person?

you're not you know.

Homebird8 · 17/08/2014 09:49

I can see how he would think that way, so yes, I can be mean and a unthinking at times.

Having hopes, dreams, desires for yourself, expressing them and making moves to attain them is perfectly reasonable. In a healthy relationship the partners each want what is best for the other. In your situation (it's not a relationship it's a domestic arrangement) only you are considering his needs, not the other way round. What he thinks, in your eyes, is right and so you must be thoughtless.

Sweetheart, I can hear in your writing that you believe this but it really is not true. You are overly thoughtful and so emotionally and mentally abused that you cannot work out where the boundary is between his thoughts and yours.

Here's a really powerful question to ask yourself...

If it could not go wrong, what would you do?

Don't give your single definitive answer. Just try to explore what sorts of answers you might give. Remember, whatever you think, can be your own thought. Nobody else's matter. Flowers

ilovelamp82 · 17/08/2014 10:09

Step 1) Get on amazon and order Lundy Bancrofts book'why does he do that?' You will read all about your abusive husband in there. You have been conditioned for so long, this will help things become clearer for you.

Step 2) please call women's aid. This is exactly what they are there for. Just because he hasn't hit you does not mean it isn't abuse. I'm yet to meet a person who hasn't said that physical abuse is worse than emotionalabuse. IIt's so damaging because you start to think you're going mad. If you read that book and speak to women's aid it will help you get a bit of clarity on the situation to realise that the things that you have normalised are wrong. .

Your children are being abused too. You need to get away from this bully.

Be careful though as leaving a bully can be the most volatile time, when things can escalate.

You've been working with him for so ling so I can imagine how hard this feels but you and your children deserve better. Your children need to know that this is not a healthy relationship so that they don't end up in similar relationships themselves.

I hope you find the strength to leave. But please order the book and ring Women's aid. And don't let your OH known that you are doing these things.

ginandlime · 17/08/2014 14:09

He has spent a long time telling all the people involved in his life (CPN, Psychiatrist, Psychologist) all of whom he sees regularly, that he wouldn't survive without me, that I'm wonderful and amazing. I did say once that I found that scary because if felt as though I couldn't say anything that could be construed as a negative. He dismissed it, but actually, it is odd that when you get the chance to talk about someone, without them being there, you find very little that is negative, although plenty at home! I tried to tell his psychologist once, in a roundabout sort of way, but he didn't see it. He has this phenomenal intellect and it's bright and shiny and it attracts people to him, they see the funny, clever, sharp and vulnerable, but in the main, an amazing brain and it seems to cloud them to anything else. It's strange and scary to watch.
Please, this isn't drip feeding, it is just me, getting it down somewhere, trying to manage it and whilst he is resting I can try and convince myself it's not me, by getting it 'on paper' as it were.

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Homebird8 · 17/08/2014 19:56

ginandlime you sound as if you feel incapable of persuading people of the reality of your situation. We don't see the bright and shiny, we see the abusive bully that this man is in your life.

I second ilovelamp's action plan although I might do it in the other order. Women's Aid first and then Lundy. Don't put off making that call until you feel your argument is cast iron. He Himandwhine has trained you to think your thoughts are ill formed, unkind and wrong. They are not. Phone WA and tell them what you have told us.

Keep getting your thoughts on paper. The amazing women here can help the amazing you find your truth.

Mandyandme · 17/08/2014 20:27

You know that he is being abusive. I actually don't think you need to convince other people or yourself about the reality of living with him. You know things are not right. You know things are not going to change. The only thing you need to do is planning to see a solicitor and getting the finances and divorce sorted. From what you have put there is no point in wasting your breath trying to convince him of anything or trying to change him as you will just be going round and round in circles.

Time to start thinking of yourself but do it so he doesn't know whats hit him as this sort of intelligence will be having him salt the money away where no one can find it if he gets wind of what you are planning. Start by getting account numbers and bank details etc

Good luck.

eddielizzard · 17/08/2014 21:56

'He has this phenomenal intellect and it's bright and shiny and it attracts people to him, they see the funny, clever, sharp and vulnerable, but in the main, an amazing brain and it seems to cloud them to anything else.'

good. because he'll quite easily be able to charm someone else to abuse when you leave.

this man is quite capable of looking after no. 1, believe you me. and right now he knows that keeping you subservient and catering to every need is just the way to look after no. 1.

tell him to fothfsofawhgttfosm

what pathetic shit of a man.

springydaffs · 17/08/2014 22:45

My ex (note:ex) was like this: phenomenally bright it cast a spell on people. Like you I'd see him casting his spell as he spoke to people, like throwing a net over them, and I could just see them melt. I can't count the number if people who gushed to me that they'd bumped into him somewhere - " such a lovely man!" - even 10, 15 years after I'd left the bastard him.

And he wasn't even disabled, or he would have used that to the hilt as your husband is doing

Poor, poor him eh. He sounds like a big fat BABY, sitting their emanating control waves that reach every corner of the house. What on earth are you doing pandering to this monster?

I loved mine once, but that was before I saw what he really was. It took a while for me to see it - by which time I was a pulp and could barely function.
He is abusing your kids

ginandlime · 17/08/2014 22:53

This is going to seem really strange but he isn't good with money and it is a chore, I do all the financial stuff, including handing over his cash each month. I am responsible for making sure the bills are paid, food sorted, birthday presents, cards etc. I don't think he even knows who we bank with. That is why I sometimes think well there is nothing to say in a court, I would look ridiculous as it looks as though it would be easy to walk away, so maybe he is just difficult and I am being oversensitive. Still don't want to be spoken to the way he speaks to me, though.

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springydaffs · 17/08/2014 23:01

Save your kids from this monster! He is gobbling you all up whole, get them OUT of his toxic forcefield. If you can't do it for you, do it for them.

There really is NO POINT trying to reason with him, he will not change - why should he, when you're pandering to his every whim, and have been for years? He's got it all precisely how he wants it.

But do you know what? It's never enough for people like this; they get progressively worse. I'm sure you know exactly what I mean...

CALL women's aid 0808 2000 247 between 7pm and 7am, that is, at night (because the lines are too busy during the day). Find a way. You need specialist help with this.

DO the Freedom Programme - one near you. Look at the site and click 'find a course'. Get the ball rolling as soon as.

READ the Lundy Bancroft book mentioned upthread - you will see your monster on every page.

You're not the only one, lovely. Plenty of us have done the same - pandered to a despot - and PLENTY OF US GOT OUT.

You can do this. Do it for your kids.

springydaffs · 17/08/2014 23:07

You are not being oversensitive. If anything, he has dulled and numbed and paralysed your brain to the point that you can't see properly. But your gut knows this isn't right. Big time.

Don't worry about the details, you can leave him without anyone understanding why, except you and your kids. That's all that matters.

With the support if women's Aid you will be able to untangle your head from the mess he has woven around it. It's quite simple: he is abusing you. You are like his slave, serving your master, even handing out his treats yourself. That's what they do to us.

springydaffs · 17/08/2014 23:16

WA will support you emotionally as well as practically, legally etc. They are a one stop shop - and I for one wouldn't be alive if they didn't exist. They are wonderful. They know their stuff and know how to support you all the way, especially when you have no idea how to get started because you are in such a tangle. The tangle he put you in, just to make that clear.

(BTW, he didn't hit me, just ground my head, my personhood, into dust. He was full of pompous 'rhetoric'-type shit too. Not that he ever used that phrase, but he would have if he'd thought of it.)

Seabright · 17/08/2014 23:21

You don't have to have anything to say in court - no-one actually appears in court when their divorce goes through (yes, maybe for the financial stuff, but your lawyer will do that)

You don't actually have to stand up and persuade a judge to let you divorce - you fill in the papers, cite "unreasonable behaviour" and that's it. It only has to be unreasonable to you, not anyone else - it's a subjective test, not an objective one. If you don't want to be married to him, you don't have to be - and no judge will stop you getting divorced.

wyrdyBird · 17/08/2014 23:24

You are being abused: and it doesn't matter if he has ASD, or disabilities, or a brilliant mind, or anything else, because abuse will make your life an utter misery; and that's the thing that needs your attention.

Please, if you can, follow the three steps springy has laid out for you. And keep posting if it helps you to think and plan.

doziedoozie · 18/08/2014 07:17

My DF was like him in some ways, a miserable, grumpy, selfish man who had to be coaxed and cajoled to join in any family stuff. (he's now passed on).

I was reminiscing and wondering to my DB why on earth we put up with this misery hanging over life at home. Imv it was because my DM had become resigned to it, she just ran her life in parallel so we as DCs accepted this arrangement.

My DF was also charming, in his way, to eg doctors, occasional visitors to the house, eg shaking their hands and thanking them for their kindness in an old fashioned way so they saw him as a nice old gent. He never thanked us or DM for anything.

He also made it clear, by doing nothing for himself, that he totally depended on my DM, but in her final months she said she felt she'd failed him???? Perhaps because he was such an unhappy man. I was gobsmacked, don't know why she said it, she didn't explain.

One of the outcomes of having a parent like that is that the DCs clear off at the first opportunity and obviously, don't have terribly happy memories.

Glastokitty · 18/08/2014 07:39

He sounds horrendous, don't waste any more of your life on him.

kaykayblue · 18/08/2014 07:58

Why are you allowing your child to grow up in an environment where her own father (I assume) tells her that she is "driving a wedge" between her parents.

What do you think that is doing to her self esteem?

He sounds like an utter cunt. Just leave already.

doziedoozie · 18/08/2014 08:03

It sounds like it is the shame of being accused of being a cruel wife and the fear of what will happen to him if you leave (if you deal with all finance and household responsibilities) that keeps you. Same as my DM described above.

Which are the wrong priorities!

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 18/08/2014 08:36

Please don't stay put and be unhappy. Do make plans for an exit. Whatever you do it won't stop him seeing you as a handmaiden. Not getting things right? Failing to meet his standards? You might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb!

ginandlime · 18/08/2014 09:22

Just to let you know, I am listening. I'm also quite scared, not of him, but it's a big step and a big change and the dcs although older, do love him. They also have AS, so change is difficult, I'd want to stay in the house until they've finished their exams etc. I will be booking a doctors appointment today, just so that I can tell someone and will try to ring w.a. I'm very tired at the moment, he woke me up around three (he denies this) and I gave up and went and got coffee. He then got up at five, so I went back to bed only to be woken by him shouting the house down at eight because the dog had been sick and because he couldn't make a coffee because the leccy had gone. I got up, flicked the switch and cleaned up. He's gone back to bed now, he says his pain levels are really high but I don't know how much of that is to get me back on side. He knows things aren't right and although I'm still doing his medication etc. I'm not really engaging with him. I gave it one last try last night but he doesn't want a discussion with me because apparently it's my way or nothing. Oh that I could get a word in to express that!

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Homebird8 · 18/08/2014 09:40

An excerpt from Lundy Bancroft

Gin I know people have recommended this book and I just found this except from it. Small enought to squeeze into your day perhaps? Then you could read the whole book if it works for you.

Lack of sleep is a real killer. No wonder, with that and all his manipulation, bullying and slavery, you don't know which way is up.

Thinking of you. Try to get yourself a nap later and remember, his way is the wrong way. Angry

ginandlime · 18/08/2014 10:01

That's some reading, but yes, the water one with a mix of some others.
It made me cry.
I am in every other respect strong, extremely intelligent and willing to fight my children's corner, what happened to me?

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Mandyandme · 18/08/2014 10:10

Sleep deprivation is a recognised form of torture.

You don't need to make sense of anything. Who cares what others will think of you. Maybe if they'd walked a day in your shoes then they might not be judgemental.

Think of it this way. If you visited a friend and woke them at 3am then started screaming the house down at 5am what do you think they would think of you?

myroomisatip · 18/08/2014 10:10

You are too embroiled in this.

You are not happy. It is as simple as that. Forget how he manipulates and abuses you.

Get advice, make plans and detach. If it was possible I would urge you and your DD/DC to walk out the door and never come back.

Honestly do not give any more thought to the whys? and what ifs? Just get out asap.

Wishing you luck.