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Stubborn DP's (lack of) dental hygiene

73 replies

NoisyBrain · 06/08/2014 10:14

My DP and I have, shall we say, 'differing' ideas as to what is an acceptable level of personal hygiene.

To give some context, I shower every evening and usually do a face & armpit wash in the morning. I brush my teeth after breakfast and before bed. I consider this to be reasonably 'normal'.

DP would, given the choice, rather shower once every three or four days. When we moved in together it took months of gentle nagging persuasion to get him to shower every other day, out of basic consideration for me sharing his bed. He has mostly kept this up and sometimes even showers on consecutive days. Hurrah.

Then we come to teeth brushing. Oh dear. He is dentist-phobic after a really bad experience several years ago, so you'd think he'd take good care of his teeth to avoid problems, right? Well, until fairly recently he would brush them once a day, before bed. That was pretty minimal IMO, but since we had our DS, he often ends up falling asleep on the sofa after I've gone to bed and not bothering to go up and brush at all!

He drinks loads of tea and coffee and until very recently was a smoker. His teeth are really badly stained. I love him, and he does have many redeeming qualities, but I don't feel like kissing someone who hasn't brushed their teeth for over 24 hours.

I don't know if it's laziness (he works from home so he has all day to pick up a toothbrush FFS!), stubbornness, or simply that he just doesn't care enough, but it's really starting to piss me off. I'm still on maternity leave so it's 'in my face' more than it would otherwise be I suppose.

I don't think this is something I can just let go. Call me shallow but I don't think I'd find him very attractive if all his teeth fell out! I've told him that and said I think it's minging that he doesn't brush, but should I be more blunt? I've not gone as far as saying how bad his teeth look. I just don't want to be that hurtful. If I'm honest though, I find it hurtful that he doesn't want to make an effort to be clean 'for' me, iyswim.

OP posts:
Needsomeperspective2 · 06/08/2014 10:19

If it was me, I would say something. I know it's not all supposed to be about the physical but hygiene is a basic line in the sand for me. I'm assuming he must have had other amazing qualities for you to have agreed to move in with him when he was only showering every 3 or 4 days, I don't think I could have. If it's bugging you, tell him.

scrufhead · 06/08/2014 10:26

Oh Christ this is like my sister! I put a post on here about her hygiene and got absolutely slated!
I would tell him! its gross having to hold your breath just because someone can't be arsed to look after themselves properly & brush their pegs! my sister can go 3-4 days without brushing, I can't understand it at all!

PenelopeGarciasCrazyHair · 06/08/2014 10:38

Sounds like my DP, he does brush before bed but I don't get how he can go to work without showering or tooth brushing and actually feel awake!

Luckily my DP seems to have some magical properties as generally he smells lovely. He does know that a dunk in the sink is a necessary precursor to sex though and he gets me to sniff his pits to see if he needs a shower as he can't tell!

I got into bad habits with my ex, going to bed late or not brushing my teeth to avoid sex. Are you close generally?

Meerka · 06/08/2014 10:41

I've had experience of this ....

In the end I got up and slept on the sofa becuase er, sharing a bed was simply not possible. Woke up every time he turned over in my direction becuase of the smell. eWWWW (I was a bit stuck at the time and couldn't split up).

when he found me on the sofa he asked why and I just told him outright. That, at last, got through and now he cleans morning and evening.

Ivehearditallnow · 06/08/2014 10:41

OP he sounds revolting... sorry you're in this situation. I don't know how you are managing to stay with him.

Call me shallow but I don't think I'd find him very attractive if all his teeth fell out!

He must stink. Do you find that attractive???

NoisyBrain · 06/08/2014 11:12

Well, rather surprisingly, he doesn't smell bad. Only very occasionally if he's had more coffee than usual. Now he's on the e-cigs he doesn't even smell of tobacco.

Needs I didn't realise how infrequently he showered before we moved in together because we were in a LDR and I generally only saw him at weekends.

scruf I may regret asking, but why did you get slated when you posted about your sister?

Penelope if you mean sex, yes we do OK considering we have an 11 month old baby, lol.

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Fontella · 06/08/2014 11:21

I went out with a bloke like this. He was bloody gorgeous too. He stayed with me for a week once and never had a bath or shower the whole time he was there that I know of, and if he brushed his teeth, I never saw or heard it, and never saw any evidence of a tooth brush. I bought one for him and put it out - he said he'd used it ... but it didn't look used to me. To be fair he had good, if not the whitest teeth, but his breath stank and I told him so. He'd swill a bit of mouthwash around his mouth when I complained but that was the extent of his dental hygiene.

I hadn't realised what he was like because at the start of the relationship I always used to go and stay with him weekends - we lived hundreds of miles apart. I'd get there Friday evening and he'd arrive home from work (manual) so first thing he would do is get in the bath to get all the work muck off of him. I never really noticed that he never bathed or showered for the rest of the weekend. As we were usually out on the lash for most of the weekend I never really noticed the tooth brushing thing either.

However when he came to stay with me when he had a week off work it all came to light. Dirty git. I couldn't put up with that I'm afraid and that was the end of it.

Ivehearditallnow · 06/08/2014 11:44

He must cover up the smell then. Lovely!

kentishgirl · 06/08/2014 11:51

The difference is you don't have to share a bed/cuddles/sex or snog your sister. So her hygiene is not really your business. You do with your partner so their hygiene is important.

OP, you aren't asking for anything unusual or weird. Just normal hygiene habits. Get blunt.

I wouldn't kiss anyone with rank mouth and I wouldn't share bed with anyone dirty.

Needadvice5 · 06/08/2014 11:55

Urgh I could not cope with this!

I'm obsessed with hygiene and so is my DP.

wallypops · 06/08/2014 11:56

I would find this a problem and the idea of giving any but the cleanest knob a bj is out of the question! Is that shallow? I really don't think so.

DownstairsMixUp · 06/08/2014 12:02

I don't think you are expecting a lot at all. I wouldn't want to have sex with someone who barely washed and definitely would not want to kiss him! I would seriously be a bit harsher on him if I were you, that is vile!

Fairylea · 06/08/2014 12:14

Oh fuck no. I'd have to say something. I admit I'm quite extreme about hygiene - shower every morning, wash hair everyday and brush teeth 2 sometimes 3 times a day. The bare minimum I could accept from a partner would be a shower and brush teeth twice a day. Otherwise there would be no sex. Ever.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 06/08/2014 12:24

"said I think it's minging that he doesn't brush, but should I be more blunt?"

I'm wondering how much more blunt you can be about this than you have been already. Perhaps he doesn't understand plain English when he hears it? It might be time to insist that you sleep separately if he won't pay more attention to what is very basic personal hygiene. The prospect of sleeping and being intimate with someone like this is totally repulsive. He needs to know that this is how you feel and it needs to be completely non-negotiable. Blech!

Annarose2014 · 06/08/2014 12:29

Buy him mouthwash, and tell him "Its the very least you can do".

At least then the dirty particles of food will wash out (hopefully).

Ugh.

Jan45 · 06/08/2014 12:29

He's a lazy git and a smelly one at that, to be honest, I'd be questioning him as a person and think he's probably lazy in general, not exactly a turn on huh.

angelos02 · 06/08/2014 12:33

That is rank. I hate that feeling when I first wake up of teeth that haven't been cleaned for 8 hours while I've been asleep. First thing I do when I get up is brush my teeth. Bleee.

scrufhead · 06/08/2014 12:38

Noisy: I got told by a few MN's to leave her to it and what business was it of mine! Basically that I shouldn't be making it my problem Confused

Beautifullymixed · 06/08/2014 12:52

This would not be acceptable at all to me I'm afraid. I would rather be single than put up with minging people. And in a bed together. No way.

OP sorry but your routine stinks as well imo. How could you not wash your fanjo in the morning before leaving the house?!

And in this weather too..... Shock.

I'm not a fan of strip washes tbh and find flannels unsanitary (unless washed after each use). A bed is a sweaty place and a shower -even if it's just to soap armpits and fanjo takes five minutes.

OP clean up your own act then you can start on your foul DP. Your bed and his pillow must stink.

Ivehearditallnow · 06/08/2014 13:18

fanjo Confused Hahahha oh Mixed you've made me smile.

Yep, having a shower in the evening and then sleeping in a bed (especially one with a sweaty bloke who's not had a bath for three days) for 6ish hours then getting up, having a quick dab and heading out is a bit grim as well to be honest, OP.

But I would seriously have doubts over the mental health of someone who can't be arsed/doesn't have enough pride to do basic things to groom themselves - especially if they have children. I don't mean to upset you OP but what if something happened to you? How is he going to teach your child to look after them self if he can't even do it himself? And as she gets bigger she will be mortified if Daddy is a smelly, bad-breath slob.

I'm sorry to be judgemental... but I just don't understand him at all. Is he depressed or something? I've lived in London too long - sick to death of being pushed up again smelly gits on the Tube... I just want to shout 'HAVE A F**KING BATH' at some of them. Any day now, I will.

Don't put up with this shit, OP. You have one baby - not too. Tell him to grow up, clean up and get some pride - or he can start looking for somewhere else to live??

... Is he a lovely bloke other wise, btw?

PS - Anyone thinking of Shrek?? x

Ivehearditallnow · 06/08/2014 13:19

*two

Jan45 · 06/08/2014 13:20

He's just a lazy git.

Beautifullymixed · 06/08/2014 13:36

Iveheard glad to make you smile Smile.

I was shouted down on a thread recently about children needing deodorant. One of the points I made was that those children, unless shown proper hygiene would turn out to be the subject of threads like these. Or stinking out the bus/train carriage.

I have five children and installed basic hygiene from very early. Some are now young adults and practice what I taught them. Ds's aged 7 and 10 can shower themselves spotless, have good hand hygiene and can make their teeth sparkle.
It's part of their routine now and I can send them on school journeys/ on sleepovers etc and know they won't embarrass me themselves.

I'm sure my dcs partners will appreciate this.

It's a pity the OPs DP was not taught this as a child.

I would have been very insistent and banned sex . I'm sure there would have been an improvement before long.

The OP has no problems in this department
so either he doesn't smell that badly......

Or birds of a feather flock together.....

Crinkle77 · 06/08/2014 13:50

E not brushing yur teeth in the morning is gross. There is nothing worse than morning breath. Perhaps you just need to be blunt with him and tell him his breath smells. I don't know how you have put up with it for so long.

Twinklestein · 06/08/2014 14:00

There's no way someone who doesn't brush their teeth twice a day and has high standards of dental hygiene is kissing me full stop.

I would say the same to your DP.