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Stubborn DP's (lack of) dental hygiene

73 replies

NoisyBrain · 06/08/2014 10:14

My DP and I have, shall we say, 'differing' ideas as to what is an acceptable level of personal hygiene.

To give some context, I shower every evening and usually do a face & armpit wash in the morning. I brush my teeth after breakfast and before bed. I consider this to be reasonably 'normal'.

DP would, given the choice, rather shower once every three or four days. When we moved in together it took months of gentle nagging persuasion to get him to shower every other day, out of basic consideration for me sharing his bed. He has mostly kept this up and sometimes even showers on consecutive days. Hurrah.

Then we come to teeth brushing. Oh dear. He is dentist-phobic after a really bad experience several years ago, so you'd think he'd take good care of his teeth to avoid problems, right? Well, until fairly recently he would brush them once a day, before bed. That was pretty minimal IMO, but since we had our DS, he often ends up falling asleep on the sofa after I've gone to bed and not bothering to go up and brush at all!

He drinks loads of tea and coffee and until very recently was a smoker. His teeth are really badly stained. I love him, and he does have many redeeming qualities, but I don't feel like kissing someone who hasn't brushed their teeth for over 24 hours.

I don't know if it's laziness (he works from home so he has all day to pick up a toothbrush FFS!), stubbornness, or simply that he just doesn't care enough, but it's really starting to piss me off. I'm still on maternity leave so it's 'in my face' more than it would otherwise be I suppose.

I don't think this is something I can just let go. Call me shallow but I don't think I'd find him very attractive if all his teeth fell out! I've told him that and said I think it's minging that he doesn't brush, but should I be more blunt? I've not gone as far as saying how bad his teeth look. I just don't want to be that hurtful. If I'm honest though, I find it hurtful that he doesn't want to make an effort to be clean 'for' me, iyswim.

OP posts:
ChangelingToday · 06/08/2014 23:18

I haven't got great gums/teeth since forever so need to brush often and floss daily too, family genes. Dh has never had a filling in his life, brushes twice a day that's it. Everyone is different in this regard but I do think brushing is essential!

Beautifullymixed · 06/08/2014 23:18

That was for weatherall and pepper.

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Darkesteyes · 06/08/2014 23:34

I brush teeth twice a day.
I have a bath every day (don't own a shower)

wash hair every other day (my colourist told me not to wash my hair every day because it will fade the colour.)

Capitola · 07/08/2014 00:04

Yuck, yuck, yuck.

There is no excuse nowadays to be this unclean.

Deluge · 07/08/2014 10:10

Brushing teeth once a day? Really?

Sorry - thats disgusting.

DH and I don't wash to be 'perfumed' or because we are uptight. Its just the most basic part of being a functioning adult. Take care of your teeth. Clean yourself. Dont most people learn this as children?

weatherall · 07/08/2014 10:15

This 'need' to continually wash is social conditioning designed by companies who make billions from selling us toiletries- have you seen the profits of unilever & Procter & Gamble? Have you seen how much they spend on advertising?

It's ironic that most of these products contain known carcinogens and are actually damaging our health.

weatherall · 07/08/2014 10:21

here is what I've found from a quick google on the dangers hidden in most shampoos/soaps etc.

unilever's profits and advertising spend last year

Pandora37 · 07/08/2014 10:38

It is interesting how much times have changed. My grandmother thought I was mad for washing my hair every other day - she washed her hair 3 times in the summer and twice in the winter and that was plenty according to her. I get very dry skin and wonder if the constant washing contributes but I'm paranoid that I'd smell otherwise. Shampoo is supposed to strip your hair of its natural oils as well, making it greasier, thus in turn needing to shampoo more. There is a "no 'poo" theory that after 6 weeks of no washing with shampoo but just water, hair cleans itself. I tried it for a week myself and my hair looked clean but I couldn't get past the itching so went back to shampoo.

Anyway, I wonder if because your partner works from home he doesn't see the point in brushing his teeth as it's not like anyone is there to complain about his breath? I would wonder about depression as well as I once didn't wash for 2 weeks when I was badly depressed. It does sound more like laziness though. I would put a ban on sex/kissing until he starts brushing his teeth more regularly.

Someone mentioned about your child. I don't think he necessarily wouldn't be able to teach a child about hygiene. I know a couple who both smell and clearly don't wash very often or use deodorant, and the dad has awful teeth - half of them have fallen out and the other half are badly stained. Yet the children are absolutely immaculate, clean, don't smell, nice teeth, lovely hair, and are very well presented. Bizarre. They obviously just don't care about themselves which is quite sad really.

sebsmummy1 · 07/08/2014 10:42

I have a similar more mild version. He will not floss, cleans his teeth twice a day but not for the right amount of time. Sometimes he has halitosis and it is very off putting. I now FORCE him to see the hygienist three times a year so they can get a thorough cleaning and any plaque removed etc.

I have mentioned the bad breath in the past but not recently. His personal hygiene is impeccable fortunately. Bad breath is gross though and I totally feel your pain.

Ivehearditallnow · 07/08/2014 10:48

Bissou - don't be daft! Most people will have gone to bed without taking their make up off/brushing their teeth after I night out - I know I have.
And the same with DTD before teeth brushing in the morning.
It's not uptight to think OP sleeping with her bloke after him NOT WASHING HIS BODY FOR 4 days is gross! C'mon, it's minging.

Bisou88 · 07/08/2014 14:57

I wasnt referring to the OP, i was referring to other peoples comments about not being able to DTD without being squeaky clean first!

I agree with previous comments also, too much washing is bad for you! Once a day is perfectly acceptable, even every other day! Dental hygiene is a little more important.

Meerka · 07/08/2014 15:00

How do you think people managed for millions of years before the invention of anti-back hand wash and deodorant?

and literature from older times mentions quite often "she / he had sweet breath".

now we mention it if someone doesn't ... implies that actually there was an awful lot of bad breath around ... ewwwww!!!

Legionofboom · 07/08/2014 15:11

I honestly don't see the problem with not showering every single day.

kentishgirl · 07/08/2014 16:30

I don't either in winter, but in this hot sweaty weather, you stink.

Deluge · 07/08/2014 17:00

You can wash with plain water. It has nothing to do with companies selling us shit! God the excuses people come out with Hmm. We are not talking about scrubbing yourself with bleach and perfuming your bits before sex. Just a daily wash (with water if nothing else) and the recommended twice daily brushing. How people can think this is OTT is beyond me. There are some foul people about, sorry.

Itmustbelove · 07/08/2014 17:12

The only truly clean man I have ever met is my father. He spends ages in the bathroom every morning. He is old school, would never accept slovenliness.

This thread has made me look back at the relationships with men I have had and a lot of them were lazy about personal hygiene, especially teeth (and lazy about work, family life, socialising as well come to think about it.)

And don't talk to me about men not washing their hands after going to the toilet. I lived with one of those and even when I pulled him up about it, it didn't shame him into doing it the next time.

Ivehearditallnow · 07/08/2014 17:22

The only truly clean man I have ever met is my father.

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Ivehearditallnow · 07/08/2014 17:23

When I see men coming out of the gents still doing their flies up I say 'Oi, go and wash your hands - NOW'. Normally they are mortified. I don't care. Walking round with pee on your mitts isn't OK.

OP how is your bloke at hand washing?

SwedishEdith · 07/08/2014 17:45

I can't believe someone said they didn't eat garlic on "a school night" That is bizarre

Ivehearditallnow · 07/08/2014 17:59

I'll be honest - I usually avoid strong foods (like curry, and I love curry) if I'm going to be sat with people in meetings etc.

Don't think it's bizarre, just courteous - perhaps overly. But better than not washing for 4 days.

Itmustbelove · 07/08/2014 18:16

Yes I said that about garlic. And I would never eat curry or drink more than one glass of wine if I had work the next day. I'm sure we have all worked with people who reek after the night before.

NoisyBrain · 07/08/2014 18:56

Ivehearditall as far as I bother to observe, he's OK at post-loo hand washing. He's quite obsessive about food hygiene. I know, go figure.

Just to clarify, as some people seem very concerned about this, I would NOT dtd with him if he hadn't showered for 4 days! But as I said, he showers every other day now Smile

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Ivehearditallnow · 09/08/2014 20:09

Well, that's the very minimum he can do (washing his hands after potty) - so glad he's at least doing that...

You should casually let him read this thread... would be interested to hear what his thoughts were! x

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