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I think it's emotional abuse but not sure if I'm being melodramatic

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LucyLollie · 23/07/2014 23:32

Just wanted some opinions/ advice on whether my relationship sounds in any way normal... my H tells me that I am naive to think that other couples don't have exactly the same kind of rows as us, but I think I know deep down that I'm married to a very unreasonable and possibly abusive man. I just don't know what to do about it.

I could give hundreds of examples of the 'type' of argument we have, but I'll give the most recent example from the last few days. It started on Sunday morning, when I walked into our bedroom at 9.40am with our two kids (6 months and 4 years old). It was H's turn for a lie-in (I'd slept until 9am the day before). I'd been downstairs and having breakfast with the kids since 7.30 and it was becoming a bit difficult to delay getting dressed etc for much longer. Also, he'd told me the previous month that he didn;t ever want to sleep past 10am anyway. Basically, I thought it was fine to come into the room and allow our eldest to wake him up. I said something like "morning! hope it's ok to wake you - couldn't keep them downstairs for too much longer." After a couple of minutes, it became apparent that he wasn't happy to have been woken at all. I was accused of being 'horrible and moody', and 'begrudging' his lie-in. I was left speechless (this is a bit of a theme) as I quite simply wasn't moody at all. I was absolutely fine!! I tried to say this, and reminded him that he'd said he didn't want to sleep longer than 10am... I was then told again that I was being difficult, moody and horrible (all in front of the kids) and that he would;t dream of doing that to me - I can;t possibly care about him if I can walk in and interrupt his sleep like that.
He was then off with me all morning, until I apologised and "admitted" that I was being moody. This is the ludicrous kind of thing that is now quite common for me - i.e. I admit to feelings and intentions that I never even had, just to stop him sulking.

Later that day, I was clearing away the kitchen and I put one of his magazines (that he hadn't yet read) in the recycling bin. He asked me later where the magazine was, and I remembered where I had put it and immediately retrieved it for him. I didn't apologise for doing it, I just said something casual like 'oh yeah, I must have done that completely on auto pilot - here it is." He accused me of not caring about him, being lost in my own 'bubble', being distant and self-absorbed all day, and said he 'couldn't BELIEVE' that I could do that with 'his possession'. It turned into a proper tirade, with him shouting and saying it was typical of how I have no regard for his things (honestly no idea what he means) and don't show any care for him.

On other occasions we've had huge rows when I've ordered the wrong drink for him in a pub, got myself cutlery at a buffet but didn't bring any for him, and when I've made a fuss about wasps at an outdoor restaurant (I'm scared of them, and he went absolutely mad at me for 'creating a scene'). In all of these scenarios, the row happens because 1) he gets angry with me for being "horrible" or "difficult", 2) I defend myself and tell him he's overreacting, and then 3) he gets angrier and angrier, demanding an apology. Sometimes I get angry in return, and other times (more the case recently) I just give in and apologise, even if it involves lying about how I really feel. On the occasions that I DO get angry, I can sometimes get very angry - I have actually accused him of being abusive, and have threatened to leave. It's because of this that I'm not sure whether it truly IS abuse, because I'm not exactly a beaten-down wallflower who can't stick up for myself.

Tonight I tried to talk to him about the lie-in and magazine incidents. I said that, despite apologising for them, I now feel stupid that I'm in a relationship where he puts words into my mouth, and that I wasn't actually moody at all over the weekend - but he was. He immediately got angry that I was "retracting my apology" and refused to talk to me. He called me f*ing insane, and shouted so loudly that our son came downstairs and asked why Daddy was being nasty to Mummy. Obviously that part completely breaks my heart. He regularly swears at me and calls me names (mental, insane and mad are the favourites at the moment, but he also uses bitch a lot). For my part, I call him abusive and tell him he's out of control and childish. I always end up apologising for calling him abusive though, whereas he's never apologised for the name-calling he does - he says he will call me a bitch if I behave like one.
He's never genuinely hurt me, but he has pushed me out of a room ONCE a few months ago (he said I should have walked out, and admittedly I kept resisting when he was pushing me as if to test whether he would continue... does this make me equally to blame??). I then fell on the floor, and the glass I was holding smashed everywhere. He yelled "I can't believe you just f'ing did that" as if I had done it in a fit of melodrama, instead of having been pushed down by him.
On one other occasion, he was yelling in my face (literally with his head pressed against mine) so I slapped him in an attempt to snap him out of it. It's the only time I've ever slapped someone around the face and I know it sounds terrible. He retaliated immediately by hitting me around the head. It still shocks me to think about it. It wasn't hard, but it completely shocked me. He said he was entitled to "hit back."

Other relevant things - he's not a financial abuser. He earns a lot of money and I have full access to it. I am a SAHM and used to earn good money myself, but willingly gave up my career to look after the kids. If I left I would get a lot of money, but I hate the thought of being a single mother. Why? To be honest because I would feel like I'd failed (there is pretty much no divorce in my family), and i'd be terrified of the effect on our son who adores both of us. I know that I lead a very charmed life and that H works hard to provide it for us. But he is stressed, often moody and difficult to live with as a result. He also expects me to do all of the home 'admin' (or find someone else to do it - he seems to think you can pay for everything...) which often leaves me feeling quite stressed myself.

This is turning into an essay but one more relevant fact... My H suffered from a big drop in testosterone over the last 12 months, due to medication he was taking. The arguments practically disappeared. However, he has nearly recovered now and things are going back to how they used to be. My ability to deal with them, having been through a 'good patch', is worse than ever. But if hormones are to blame, then is it fair to break up the relationship??

Thanks for listening to my rant.

OP posts:
Handywoman · 15/08/2014 22:56

This reminds me of the prick I married. It's making me cringe, the way your H behaves. So familiar. So impossible. He is making you doubt yourself left, right and centre. It sounds as though he really believes what he is saying, ie that you and your ds aren't three dimensional people, but objects and extensions of him. Please do yourself and your son a huge favour and leave this prick.

mousebacon · 15/08/2014 23:11

Your H sounds just like mine Lucy (and whatdoes )

It's exhausting but we're on the quiet part of the cycle at the moment.

I just find I have nothing to say to him anymore. I have no respect for him and I can't wait till I can be free of him but his temper still bubbles under the surface.

He accuses me of being moody (in front of the dc) all the time.

1FluffyJumper · 15/08/2014 23:36

How can he think it's OK to do that?????

How can YOU think it's ok for him to do that?

You are in an awful situation, but by continuing to stay in the relationship you are perpetuating the cycle. You are teaching your son that this is normal. It most definitely is not.

wyrdyBird · 15/08/2014 23:45

He is not defending his family, he is being deliberately aggressive to strangers. Then to you. That is abuse, and you are at risk.

It's normal for abusive people to be lovely between episodes. It doesn't change the situation or lower the risk.

I would recommend a word with Women's Aid.

Joysmum · 16/08/2014 06:55

He's deluding himself.

It wouldn't surprised me if he thinks you think the problem is that he doesn't have the right to be upset. That's why he thinks other couples have arguments too, they do.

Tbh, much of what you've posted, if it'd been written about me and my DH I'd be annoyed with my DH too.

The issue here is how his annoyance/upset/disagreement manifests itself in his behaviour. I'm afraid that's where the abuse comes in. His reactions to you, your children and strangers is wholy unacceptable, aggressive and bullying.

I'm afraid that by staying, it looks to your children like this is normal and acceptable behaviour. Taking physical abuse out of this, you and he are modeling what your children will think is normal acceptable behaviour in a relationship and life.

I'm not normally a LTB type, I normally look for ways to fix things. From your thread, I seriously think you need to leave for the sake of you and your children. Sorry.

Romeyroo · 16/08/2014 07:17

Agree with other posters. This man is an abusive bully. Please read some of the resources suggested on the link on the previous page. Speak to Women's Aid and google coercive control.

I left 18 months ago, it was one of the hardest things I have done as controlling people don't like to lose control, but life is immeasurably better. I could see an improvement in dc almost right away, they were not afraid to come into the room, there was much more laughter and they are free to be themselves. Christmas and birthdays are a couple of days a year, they are not worth being abused the other 360 odd days.

MaudLebowski · 16/08/2014 07:47

OP, I don't know if you've been to see a lawyer yet, but doing so might bolster you enough to see your way out of this.

I am in a similar situation and I had a free half hour a couple of weeks ago. I made a rough list of the things he does and showed the lawyer. She said she couldn't believe I hadn't been in sooner. The fact that someone who deals with divorce every day, someone professional and intelligent agreed with me gave me a huge boost and I practically danced down the street.

'D'h has been nice ever since so I think he has perhaps detected that the worm has turned, but I have a lot of planning to do and i'm pretty sure he will turn nasty again before I'm done. If not, as was pointed out on my thread, he's already given me reason enough to go, just as you already have enough reasons.

So OP, see a lawyer, you don't have to do anything with the information they give you if you don't want to. But knowledge is power...and empowering.

KikiShack · 16/08/2014 07:57

I agree with what pp have said and just wanted to add that 3 weeks is a really short time between big rows. From your post I got the impression you think this is a good long stretch to go with happiness, it isn't. Living with this abusive bastard has conditioned you to expect so little that you view a 3 week respite as great.
Once you're out of this you'll realise that you can expect months and months of non stop happiness. Think how brilliant that'll be and try and gather the strength to leave. Your DS is so young, he's only going to be more and more harmed by growing up in this environment so get out as soon as you can for his sake as well as your own

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 16/08/2014 08:24

The reason you have had 3 nice weeks is because you have been a good girl and made him his tea in the right cup and everything else you do to placate the big man of the house. As long as you never get too uppity for him you can have a lovely life! Just be careful those pesky independent thoughts don't creep out! You aren't allowed a view unless it's pre-approved by him!

gamerchick · 16/08/2014 08:28

It all sounds like major hard work and reading your posts at the beginning of the thread looks like you're putting the financial security and not being a single mother ahead of your kids welfare. I do know that isn't the case I have to stress.

Yanno my husband works long hours in his job and I do most of the looking after.. He doesn't criticise me or call me names, hes just nearing the end of a 2 week holiday from work and I've had more lie ins I cam shake a stick at, I've barely been able to get near the hoover or the sink.. he's took my kids out and they've come back with big grins.

You put up with shit and all you expect is shit, If you don't get it then it's good? Hmm

Get your kids out out of there before the damage it's doing to them us permanent.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/08/2014 09:02

I saw a woman just like you once who tried - and failed to placate her overtly aggressive (towards everyone) man on a train. And guess what, he blamed her for it, called her moody. Sounds familiar?. You could also see her fear of him along with the shame (that was also not hers to bear) on her face.

His cycle of abuse towards you and by turn your child is simply continuing here.

Put you and your child first for a change. You are being damaged by your H's abuse of you and have come to see this as "normal" with the result that 3 weeks of him being actually ok has been done to you being a "good girl" along with you carrying out your "people pleaser" role to perfection yet again.

He is very much a product of his upbringing and I note without too much surprise that his own mother behaves similarly i.e. abusively as well.

We learn about relationships first and foremost from our parents; look at what his mother taught him and what you both are teaching your child about relationships now.

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