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Divorced but want to get back together.

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484725gg · 30/05/2014 17:39

Dear All,

I'm writing here to get some advice. I divorced just under 2 years ago, and want to get back with my ex-wife.

It's complicated and I feel no advice would be worth anything if I didn't paint a clear and honest picture of what happened before and since the divorce, and what my motivations are. So this might take a while.

We were together for 30 years, and married for 22. We have 3 children, who are now working or finishing University.

We were going through a rough time emotionnally as a couple before we got married, as we had been through a miscarriage and were struggling to conceive. We were just about to break up when our first baby finally came along, and so I/we entered into this marriage with mixed feelings. My Dad had left my Mum (or so I believed at the time - turned out to be the other way round) when I was 2, so there was no way I was going to do the same. I believe that if there's one thing you have to do with your life, is to better your parents. Otherwise, you've missed your turn.

So anyway I tried to be the good family man but, not surprisingly knowing what I know now, I went in and out (mostly in) of phases of depression. I gradually became withdrawn towards my ex over the years, but never let it be seen by my children, and did my best to be a good dad. I think I was depressed because I felt trapped, torn between the love and desire to be with my children and the prospect of having to stay in a failed relationship. But because I had decided to stay, I did the whole family thing: 3 children, estate cars, large house, pets, holidays abroad, etc.

Because of my general unhappiness, we decided that a change of scene might do me good and we immigrated to the uk about 5 years after we got married (I had always wanted to live in the uk, as I had spent all my summer holidays there).

We decided to place our children in private schools, to give them a bit of help, since we weren't familiar with the schooling system and curriculum.

Although there were lots of positives (and quite a few negatives), this decision placed a huge financial burden on us.

I could not make enough money by working for someone else, so I started my own business, from home, working all hours and weekends, whilst my ex looked after the children.

After about 15 years of that, approaching the age of 50, and the children leaving the nest, our marriage fell apart.

I still felt trapped, and started seeing our children's departure with huge apprehension, but also as a sort of possible light at the end of the tunnel. My ex and I did acknowledge the problem and we did talk about it. I wouldn't say she was asking me to leave (maybe that might not have looked right vis a vis the children), but she wasn't holding me back too strongly either. It wasn't a mutual decision on the surface, but I think deep down she wasn't too sorry to see the back of me, which I fully understand, given how withdrawn I could be towards her.

It's a bit more complicated than that, since there were flings here and there during and even before that period, but basically, without the children, we seemed to have had little in common.

So we sold the house, closed the business, and divorced. It wasn't 100% amicable, since continental matrimonial laws can less favourable to women than their UK counterparts, but objectively I think it was basically fair, given what we'd respectively put into the marriage. I'm certain she still disagrees.

My relationship with my children was very strained at first but, after the initial phases of anger and sadness, they became good. Not qiote as good as I would like (or as they should if I could explain to them the sacrifices I made) but good, almost back to normal. However any innocent comment can easily be taken the wrong way, so I have to be careful with what I say.

Right after the divorce, I met someone, whom I lived with almost right away, but who was very possessive, to the point of not wanting me to spend too much time with my children (and ex) at xmas (appropriately spelt ?), as an example. Every visit to my ex was the subject of disobliging comments. Not sure whether that's justified or not. My Dad thought it was. Everyone else, including me, didn't.

Not surprisingly, this new relationship didn't last too long - 2 years. During that time, much to everyone's surprise (children and friends mainly) my ex and I enjoyed a really good relationship - although we only saw each other in presence of the children (else I'd risk castration) we seemed to enjoy each other's company again, helped each other out whenever we could and, generally, were very positive towards each other.

Ok, I'll get to the point.

The point is, I want to get back with her. I don't mean in a physical (I'm 54, too old for really good sex) way, or even in an emotional one (I wouldn't say I'd be indifferent if she had boyfriends, but I couldn't blame her if she did, and wouldn't want to either) but I am just attached to her. I love her like I love my Mum and my children. Not sure if I'm getting this across the way it feels. It's just love. Not passion. It's stronger than that.

Why is this different to when we were married ? I think it is simply because I don't HAVE to be with her. No obligation. There is nothing, absolutely nothing - babies, finance, jobs, peer pressure - that is making me want to do this. And since I believe this was the main cause of my depression and all that followed, I think it has a good chance of working.

The benefits would be numerous:

  • neither of us being lonely (she has lots of friends, I have very few - easier to make friends when you are picking kids from school then when you are forced to work from home). I don't think she or I mind solitude too much, but just having someone around when cooking, watching tv, walking the dog and sharing everyday chores (I don't mind doing all of them - I don't work as much these days without the school fees) - all of these would be much more pleasant, and if individually they don't seem like match, added together they do represent a lot of time.
  • able to move into a larger house (we each have our own 2 up 2 down small cottage) so as to accommodate all our children and their boyfriends, babies, in laws, etc. when they visit. It is currently a nightmare even if the children turn up by themselves.
  • but most importantly of all, giving back a united family to our children and future grandchildren, and to some extent our respective parents. That's the big attraction for me. I thought my job as a Dad was accomplished when the children left. I can now see how untrue that was.

I don't think my ex loves me in the traditional sense either. I think (hope) she probably has the same feelings for me as I do for her, with a varying degree of fondess.

Anyway, my intention is to invite her to diner (should I take her to the hotel/restaurant that I took her to on our first weekend abroad in the early 80s ? she would be on her guard - is that a good thing, a little advance shock-absorbing warning of what's to come ?) and, as we are sat at the table, hand her a written letter explaining all of this: why and how I want us to be a family again, why it didn't work before and why I think it would work now.

So the question is, do you think it is a good way to go about it ? How do you think she might react ? It's obviously difficult to answer without knowing how she feels towards me, but I guess she has some of the "fondness" I mentioned, maybe not quite as much as I do, and she will see this with some suspicion (are my intentions true) and some apprehension (am I being too optimistic).

Thank you for taking the time to read this - well done if you got this far - and please let me know all your thoughts. I would read them with interest.

OP posts:
akaWisey · 30/05/2014 23:31

Sorry but, I've been out this evening and a quick scroll through the posts shows the OP hasn't actually been back? Or have I had one too many Wine

MadameDefarge · 30/05/2014 23:32

But the OP seems to be more bored and lonely at the moment than depressed. And wants back his old life of being in the centre of family, however unhappy.

LynetteScavo · 30/05/2014 23:40

If I were your ex wife I would tell you to fuck the fuck off, and then to fuck off again.

But that's just me.

LynetteScavo · 30/05/2014 23:41

DH is 42 - do I only have 10 years of really good sex left? Shock

MadameDefarge · 30/05/2014 23:45

I am 50. I have a profile on a dating site. a very sedate profile.

Now I am not dating, and haven't for a good couple of years. but tonight for example I have deleted messages from five under thirties, amongst others from men my own age. Now while I would rather nibble my legs off than date a man under 45 or so, it does show that the OP is probably in the minority when it comes to not getting ya leg over at 54.

akaWisey · 30/05/2014 23:46

Ah boredom and loneliness. That's a bummer for sure.

PacificDogwood · 30/05/2014 23:49

Boredom, loneliness and loss of a role in life - it surely is a great big bummer

akaWisey · 30/05/2014 23:49

Well I've dated a fair few of the precise same age as this OP who are anything but past their best. However this OP seems to be past his 'sell-by' date Grin

MadameDefarge · 30/05/2014 23:51

such a shame.

nespressofan · 30/05/2014 23:56

This is my husband talking in 2 years time. I see it coming. I see my family saying oh go on nespresso, he made a mistake. Yeah right. Fek the fek off.

akaWisey · 30/05/2014 23:57

A song comes to mind. "All By Myself" or something. I'd post a linky but YKWIM.

HTH

Maisie0 · 31/05/2014 00:10

Why is this different to when we were married ? I think it is simply because I don't HAVE to be with her. No obligation. There is nothing, absolutely nothing - babies, finance, jobs, peer pressure - that is making me want to do this. And since I believe this was the main cause of my depression and all that followed, I think it has a good chance of working.

I do feel sorry for you, so I will answer this directly. It is different because of everything that has happened in between. Regardless of whether you can now see the trees in front of you, whereas before you could only see the wood. What has happened must have left scars. Unless those scars healed, or unless your ex-wife has forgiven you, or that she still feels a bit of love for you. A lot of things cannot go back to the point before everything had happened. You do need to fully acknowledge your current situation now. To be honest. Because, you do not know what may or may not happen ahead of you, but you do owe it to yourself, and to your children to truly find yourself again.

To me, it seems like you have found peace. But those things which you mentioned, the finance, the jobs, the peer pressure and everything else are just a perception, and most people try to take it all in but isolate their own lives with themselves in a way which makes them comfortable and to be able to survive.

The rule of marriage is, if there are obstacles, then you tackle it together. Not tackle it on your own, or be the main hero in the movie. Because you have taken a lot of the burden on and then showed resentment, this is not a marriage per se. Even though now you can see the fruits of your labour, but unconditional love is not about that at all. You should've shown how at risk you were by the pressures, and be honest towards your wife and have honest heart to heart talk before things escalated.

If you want to be with your wife, you need to burn through the resentments, as well as burn through any ego that you have left, and truly be there for your children from this point onwards as well as being there for your wife too. You do have to be present and make each decision standing by those kind of loyalties. If you did not appreciate and see the roles of your children and your wife before, what makes you think that you can now, and in the future ? You got to practise that aspect at least.

Anniegetyourgun · 31/05/2014 00:11

The OP does sound depressingly like your ex, doesn't he, Wisey?

I don't get any of that can we get back together shit from XH since I threatened to call the police on him for harassment. He called me a paranoid lunatic, and hung up. Sweet.

MadameDefarge · 31/05/2014 00:12

Or to put it bluntly, unless you actually love and want her, leave her alone.

But you don't, do you?

Alwaysbuybigpants · 31/05/2014 00:18

I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread...... This guy is jaw-droppingly deluded and self indulgent, it's brilliant!! I don't think he'll be back anytime soon, not after this ball bashing anyway. I really hope his ex wife is getting screwed senseless by a thirty year old she met on one of their luxury holidays he so generously paid for.

akaWisey · 31/05/2014 00:18

Annie Grin do you know I almost posted earlier and said "xxxx is that you? If it is then fuck off"

mammadiggingdeep · 31/05/2014 00:33

I read the op. then read it again.

Shocked. I am speechless. Just when you think you've read it all.

Anniegetyourgun · 31/05/2014 00:38

Yes, I thought that's what you meant by your tongue-biting post Grin I know it's not my ex because (a) even he wouldn't be able to twist reality to the point of claiming he was the main earner, (b) as far as I know he didn't have any flings, it was all him blaming me for having them and (c) he would have taken about 3 days to type out an OP of that length.

I wonder whether the OP was hoping to get some offers from lonely middle-aged women here. For all we know he might have, which is why he hasn't bothered to come back.

akaWisey · 31/05/2014 00:56

I'd be happy to tell my own ex husband to fuck off again especially if I were to receive by letter the drivel the OP allegedly planned to give the alleged ex wife.

MN is great. Saved me and no doubt many others.

MadameDefarge · 31/05/2014 00:58

Are we being too hasty in dissuading the OP?

After all, we would be depriving the ExW of an opportunity to piss herself laughing consider his proposition with all the gravity it deserves?

Anniegetyourgun · 31/05/2014 01:04

No, we're doing her a favour. If she acted on impulse by shoving that letter where it belongs, she might get arrested.

MadameDefarge · 31/05/2014 01:06

good point Annie.

akaWisey · 31/05/2014 01:15

Point being the operative word here, I think.

MadameDefarge · 31/05/2014 01:18
Grin
akaWisey · 31/05/2014 01:22

I know Madame. It's probably time for bed for me or I could get very bad indeed.

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