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Divorced but want to get back together.

154 replies

484725gg · 30/05/2014 17:39

Dear All,

I'm writing here to get some advice. I divorced just under 2 years ago, and want to get back with my ex-wife.

It's complicated and I feel no advice would be worth anything if I didn't paint a clear and honest picture of what happened before and since the divorce, and what my motivations are. So this might take a while.

We were together for 30 years, and married for 22. We have 3 children, who are now working or finishing University.

We were going through a rough time emotionnally as a couple before we got married, as we had been through a miscarriage and were struggling to conceive. We were just about to break up when our first baby finally came along, and so I/we entered into this marriage with mixed feelings. My Dad had left my Mum (or so I believed at the time - turned out to be the other way round) when I was 2, so there was no way I was going to do the same. I believe that if there's one thing you have to do with your life, is to better your parents. Otherwise, you've missed your turn.

So anyway I tried to be the good family man but, not surprisingly knowing what I know now, I went in and out (mostly in) of phases of depression. I gradually became withdrawn towards my ex over the years, but never let it be seen by my children, and did my best to be a good dad. I think I was depressed because I felt trapped, torn between the love and desire to be with my children and the prospect of having to stay in a failed relationship. But because I had decided to stay, I did the whole family thing: 3 children, estate cars, large house, pets, holidays abroad, etc.

Because of my general unhappiness, we decided that a change of scene might do me good and we immigrated to the uk about 5 years after we got married (I had always wanted to live in the uk, as I had spent all my summer holidays there).

We decided to place our children in private schools, to give them a bit of help, since we weren't familiar with the schooling system and curriculum.

Although there were lots of positives (and quite a few negatives), this decision placed a huge financial burden on us.

I could not make enough money by working for someone else, so I started my own business, from home, working all hours and weekends, whilst my ex looked after the children.

After about 15 years of that, approaching the age of 50, and the children leaving the nest, our marriage fell apart.

I still felt trapped, and started seeing our children's departure with huge apprehension, but also as a sort of possible light at the end of the tunnel. My ex and I did acknowledge the problem and we did talk about it. I wouldn't say she was asking me to leave (maybe that might not have looked right vis a vis the children), but she wasn't holding me back too strongly either. It wasn't a mutual decision on the surface, but I think deep down she wasn't too sorry to see the back of me, which I fully understand, given how withdrawn I could be towards her.

It's a bit more complicated than that, since there were flings here and there during and even before that period, but basically, without the children, we seemed to have had little in common.

So we sold the house, closed the business, and divorced. It wasn't 100% amicable, since continental matrimonial laws can less favourable to women than their UK counterparts, but objectively I think it was basically fair, given what we'd respectively put into the marriage. I'm certain she still disagrees.

My relationship with my children was very strained at first but, after the initial phases of anger and sadness, they became good. Not qiote as good as I would like (or as they should if I could explain to them the sacrifices I made) but good, almost back to normal. However any innocent comment can easily be taken the wrong way, so I have to be careful with what I say.

Right after the divorce, I met someone, whom I lived with almost right away, but who was very possessive, to the point of not wanting me to spend too much time with my children (and ex) at xmas (appropriately spelt ?), as an example. Every visit to my ex was the subject of disobliging comments. Not sure whether that's justified or not. My Dad thought it was. Everyone else, including me, didn't.

Not surprisingly, this new relationship didn't last too long - 2 years. During that time, much to everyone's surprise (children and friends mainly) my ex and I enjoyed a really good relationship - although we only saw each other in presence of the children (else I'd risk castration) we seemed to enjoy each other's company again, helped each other out whenever we could and, generally, were very positive towards each other.

Ok, I'll get to the point.

The point is, I want to get back with her. I don't mean in a physical (I'm 54, too old for really good sex) way, or even in an emotional one (I wouldn't say I'd be indifferent if she had boyfriends, but I couldn't blame her if she did, and wouldn't want to either) but I am just attached to her. I love her like I love my Mum and my children. Not sure if I'm getting this across the way it feels. It's just love. Not passion. It's stronger than that.

Why is this different to when we were married ? I think it is simply because I don't HAVE to be with her. No obligation. There is nothing, absolutely nothing - babies, finance, jobs, peer pressure - that is making me want to do this. And since I believe this was the main cause of my depression and all that followed, I think it has a good chance of working.

The benefits would be numerous:

  • neither of us being lonely (she has lots of friends, I have very few - easier to make friends when you are picking kids from school then when you are forced to work from home). I don't think she or I mind solitude too much, but just having someone around when cooking, watching tv, walking the dog and sharing everyday chores (I don't mind doing all of them - I don't work as much these days without the school fees) - all of these would be much more pleasant, and if individually they don't seem like match, added together they do represent a lot of time.
  • able to move into a larger house (we each have our own 2 up 2 down small cottage) so as to accommodate all our children and their boyfriends, babies, in laws, etc. when they visit. It is currently a nightmare even if the children turn up by themselves.
  • but most importantly of all, giving back a united family to our children and future grandchildren, and to some extent our respective parents. That's the big attraction for me. I thought my job as a Dad was accomplished when the children left. I can now see how untrue that was.

I don't think my ex loves me in the traditional sense either. I think (hope) she probably has the same feelings for me as I do for her, with a varying degree of fondess.

Anyway, my intention is to invite her to diner (should I take her to the hotel/restaurant that I took her to on our first weekend abroad in the early 80s ? she would be on her guard - is that a good thing, a little advance shock-absorbing warning of what's to come ?) and, as we are sat at the table, hand her a written letter explaining all of this: why and how I want us to be a family again, why it didn't work before and why I think it would work now.

So the question is, do you think it is a good way to go about it ? How do you think she might react ? It's obviously difficult to answer without knowing how she feels towards me, but I guess she has some of the "fondness" I mentioned, maybe not quite as much as I do, and she will see this with some suspicion (are my intentions true) and some apprehension (am I being too optimistic).

Thank you for taking the time to read this - well done if you got this far - and please let me know all your thoughts. I would read them with interest.

OP posts:
doziedoozie · 30/05/2014 18:49

Go for long term counseling to come to terms with your issues which are possibly due to your parents' divorce.

Then when you are less self obsessed and understand yourself (say in 2 years time) move forward in life, with or without a partner (who may or may not be your wife).

oikopolis · 30/05/2014 18:52

Basically, OP, you've realised what many serial philanderers do:

You've screwed over the woman who was faithful, loyal and caring to you, the one who gave her all to care for you and bring up your kids.

and now you're older, have lost your confidence and any virility you may have had, and are no longer able to attract a new bird every few years.

so you have to care for yourself. keep your own house. make your own friends. keep yourself company.

so you would like her to come back and care for you.
since no-one else will, and you don't even have the skills or maturity or humility to get out there and learn to do ALL the things she once did for you, so well.

And you think THAT is a good deal for her! parenting a man-child who she's already wasted more than half her life trying to please. while he ran around on her, froze her out and then screwed her in a divorce!

you seem to have no self-awareness whatsoever. your ex is well rid of you.

Lweji · 30/05/2014 19:02

I hope she does find someone who values her...

Lweji · 30/05/2014 19:03

I also loved the way you talked about your children.

louby44 · 30/05/2014 19:04

Think that might have told him don't think we'll see him again!

Hikonyan · 30/05/2014 19:06

FFS!

Just let her get on with her life. Never in a million years should she take you back.

coppertop · 30/05/2014 19:07

You already screwed her over with the house etc once before. Why on earth do you think she would be keen to share property with you again?

And this:

"working all hours and weekends"

doesn't really tally with this:

"there were flings here and there during and even before that period"

I think you've spent so long re-writing history that you've actually started to believe your own fiction.

akaWisey · 30/05/2014 19:11

I'd kick myself if I posted a response so I won't.

Actifizz · 30/05/2014 19:12

Oh do make sure you come back and update with her response OP. Lets just hope she hasn't shacked up with a sexy 53 year old bloke who treats her with respect eh Hmm

Lweji · 30/05/2014 19:12

So, you are lonely, want a bigger house and feel excluded from/at family gatherings.

I'd print this thread and hand it to her.

BlackDaisies · 30/05/2014 19:15

If this is genuine, I would agree, leave her alone. She has the chance to live a very peaceful, contented life meeting up with her numerous friends, or else to meet a gorgeous man who loves her for who she is and who can make her happy. Your reasons for getting back together seem to have nothing to do with genuinely loving and respecting her. You love her like your mum? The poor woman's in her fifties, she doesn't need a child moving in who she has to look after!

SpringItOn · 30/05/2014 19:16

You reap what you sow OP. Leave her alone now to get with her life.

BlackDaisies · 30/05/2014 19:18

(No disrespect to women in their fifties, I am nearly one myself! I just mean she's had her fair share of bringing up her kids and is probably loving her independent life!)

BernardlookImaprostituterobotf · 30/05/2014 19:19

I'm staggered at the complete and utter lack of self awareness in your post.

It really couldn't have been more perfectly pitched satire.

I hope she has many happy years and if they are with a partner then they are a person who loves her, feels passionate towards her and, oh yes, sees her as a whole thinking, feeling human not a two dimensional bit player fit only to alleviate the consequences of being an awful husband. Children aren't stupid, they will have formed their own opinions, particularly as adults and a united family is not going to be the reason their relationship was strained with you.
I really hope she has enough emotional distance to do the only appropriate thing in this circumstance - laugh.

I also hope that living in such an emotional void of a marriage with such a bad husband has not left her self esteem so ground down that such a pathetic arrangement is seen as any kind of benefit to her and the children.

Fairylea · 30/05/2014 19:24

Trying to be nice ... you sound shit scared of getting on with your life.

You sound like you need your mum. And this woman is not your mum and at 54 you don't bloody need your mum! You need to grow up.

And also... you're not past it at 54. Not by a long shot.

My mum is 65 and just started dating again. He has a boyfriend and much to my utter cringe she is desperate to tell me about all the hot sex they have. He is 70. She has never been happier.

Leave your ex wife alone.

AnyFucker · 30/05/2014 19:27

I want to thank you for your post, OP. I have had a shitty week at work and this has warmed the cockles of my heart. When I need an example of male delusion and entitlement you have come up trumps.

Please come back so we can thank you some more.

PedantMarina · 30/05/2014 19:30

I can't possibly improve on what annarose and oikopolis said.

However, I will say, after all the freds with women anguishing over whether their lives will be better, posts-divorce (and the unwritten ponder whether the XH will ever suffer), you, OP, have given us a genuine treat of a read. Thank you.

AnyFucker · 30/05/2014 19:35

I would love to see wifey's MN post about this twat.

Betrayedbutsurvived · 30/05/2014 19:42

So, you met the new woman "soon" after the divorce bullshit . You've been divorced just under two years, and the other woman lasted two years

So what you're now saying is it didn't work out with your bit on the side, your lonely, and now you want your old life back.

I believe the correct response from your ex wife would be "fuck off"

springydaffs · 30/05/2014 19:45

Your wife isn't a walk-on part in your play. You've put her through enough - I wonder how many years it will take her to recover from the truly shit, decimating, marriage you put her through - and then fucked her over financially at its end.

I notice you didn't at all mind the girlfriend keeping you from your children for 2 years - the children you so-say gave everything for. It doesn't sound to me like you did it for them. Perhaps you get off on withholding affection and respect to keep people dangling, to assure you, and them, of your great worth (sic). No, you 'endured' a truly pitiful marriage of your own making, laying it down, layer on layer over decades, that your wife should be grateful for your presence in it at all. That poor woman and those poor kids.

You appear to be deeply selfish. Your poor ex, your poor kids. They loathe you because you are coming across as loathesome. I wish I could spell it out better than that because you clearly have no idea that your behaviour is deeply selfish and deeply self-serving, as if your needs, wants and desires are the only ones that matter; as if no-one is real except you.

I hope she laughs in your face. If, please God no, she is under the misguided belief that you have changed, she will be disappointed to find the very same man with the very same values only under a different guise: you're lonely [all your fault OP] and you want someone to look after you in your old age and she'll do because she's comfortable and familiar. She is the one you fucked over on a daily basis for decades, I sincerely hope she has woken up enough to politely (or not) decline your invitation to dinner for two.

(Handing her a letter at said dinner? Are your writing a script for a romcom? This is real life here, not the movies.)

Humansatnav · 30/05/2014 19:46

Fucking hell op, what colour is the sky on your planet ????????

mellicauli · 30/05/2014 20:00

You want to move back with your ex so she can do your chores and you can live in a bigger house and because you don't have any friends and you want to play the loving grandpa.

What's in it for her?

It sounds as if you have an easy friendship with her now. Your letter could well put an end to all that.

Waltermittythesequel · 30/05/2014 20:13

And, by the way, probably best not to make a big song and dance about the 'sacrifices' you made for these unappreciative kids!

Cause that's your fucking JOB sunshine! To parent your children, just like your ex-wife did.

They're not happy with you, huh? I wonder why.

Maisie0 · 30/05/2014 20:14

I also do not think that you should be with her again. Do you know why ? Because what you wrote came from your "head" and not your heart.

You even wrote down a list of "benefits of being back together". How about "I love my ex-wife, and I miss her so badly, and it hurts my heart each day and I get depressed." ???

You also do realised that at any point in time, you could actually just "get out" of that depressive place ? Depression is a man-made thing. It is a choice. A symptoms which came about from choices that we make in life. Even though you are in a very good place right now, how do you actually know for sure, and for certain that you won't slip way back into depression again once you guys become grandparents and that you still have to support the children and their dramas too ?

I would ask seriously,do you even know what your wife likes? What is her personality like ? Who she is as a person ? Have you ever supported her in being herself? Or supported her in making her bloom as a woman ? If the answer to all these are a "no", then do not get back together, because you are wasting her time, and also causing further anxiety to her life too. She suffered once, and she shouldn't suffer a second time.

I would ask you to go and truly reflect further first to be honest.

springydaffs · 30/05/2014 20:20

can;t agree with your summary of depression Maisie Shock

but that's by the by here.

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