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Divorced but want to get back together.

154 replies

484725gg · 30/05/2014 17:39

Dear All,

I'm writing here to get some advice. I divorced just under 2 years ago, and want to get back with my ex-wife.

It's complicated and I feel no advice would be worth anything if I didn't paint a clear and honest picture of what happened before and since the divorce, and what my motivations are. So this might take a while.

We were together for 30 years, and married for 22. We have 3 children, who are now working or finishing University.

We were going through a rough time emotionnally as a couple before we got married, as we had been through a miscarriage and were struggling to conceive. We were just about to break up when our first baby finally came along, and so I/we entered into this marriage with mixed feelings. My Dad had left my Mum (or so I believed at the time - turned out to be the other way round) when I was 2, so there was no way I was going to do the same. I believe that if there's one thing you have to do with your life, is to better your parents. Otherwise, you've missed your turn.

So anyway I tried to be the good family man but, not surprisingly knowing what I know now, I went in and out (mostly in) of phases of depression. I gradually became withdrawn towards my ex over the years, but never let it be seen by my children, and did my best to be a good dad. I think I was depressed because I felt trapped, torn between the love and desire to be with my children and the prospect of having to stay in a failed relationship. But because I had decided to stay, I did the whole family thing: 3 children, estate cars, large house, pets, holidays abroad, etc.

Because of my general unhappiness, we decided that a change of scene might do me good and we immigrated to the uk about 5 years after we got married (I had always wanted to live in the uk, as I had spent all my summer holidays there).

We decided to place our children in private schools, to give them a bit of help, since we weren't familiar with the schooling system and curriculum.

Although there were lots of positives (and quite a few negatives), this decision placed a huge financial burden on us.

I could not make enough money by working for someone else, so I started my own business, from home, working all hours and weekends, whilst my ex looked after the children.

After about 15 years of that, approaching the age of 50, and the children leaving the nest, our marriage fell apart.

I still felt trapped, and started seeing our children's departure with huge apprehension, but also as a sort of possible light at the end of the tunnel. My ex and I did acknowledge the problem and we did talk about it. I wouldn't say she was asking me to leave (maybe that might not have looked right vis a vis the children), but she wasn't holding me back too strongly either. It wasn't a mutual decision on the surface, but I think deep down she wasn't too sorry to see the back of me, which I fully understand, given how withdrawn I could be towards her.

It's a bit more complicated than that, since there were flings here and there during and even before that period, but basically, without the children, we seemed to have had little in common.

So we sold the house, closed the business, and divorced. It wasn't 100% amicable, since continental matrimonial laws can less favourable to women than their UK counterparts, but objectively I think it was basically fair, given what we'd respectively put into the marriage. I'm certain she still disagrees.

My relationship with my children was very strained at first but, after the initial phases of anger and sadness, they became good. Not qiote as good as I would like (or as they should if I could explain to them the sacrifices I made) but good, almost back to normal. However any innocent comment can easily be taken the wrong way, so I have to be careful with what I say.

Right after the divorce, I met someone, whom I lived with almost right away, but who was very possessive, to the point of not wanting me to spend too much time with my children (and ex) at xmas (appropriately spelt ?), as an example. Every visit to my ex was the subject of disobliging comments. Not sure whether that's justified or not. My Dad thought it was. Everyone else, including me, didn't.

Not surprisingly, this new relationship didn't last too long - 2 years. During that time, much to everyone's surprise (children and friends mainly) my ex and I enjoyed a really good relationship - although we only saw each other in presence of the children (else I'd risk castration) we seemed to enjoy each other's company again, helped each other out whenever we could and, generally, were very positive towards each other.

Ok, I'll get to the point.

The point is, I want to get back with her. I don't mean in a physical (I'm 54, too old for really good sex) way, or even in an emotional one (I wouldn't say I'd be indifferent if she had boyfriends, but I couldn't blame her if she did, and wouldn't want to either) but I am just attached to her. I love her like I love my Mum and my children. Not sure if I'm getting this across the way it feels. It's just love. Not passion. It's stronger than that.

Why is this different to when we were married ? I think it is simply because I don't HAVE to be with her. No obligation. There is nothing, absolutely nothing - babies, finance, jobs, peer pressure - that is making me want to do this. And since I believe this was the main cause of my depression and all that followed, I think it has a good chance of working.

The benefits would be numerous:

  • neither of us being lonely (she has lots of friends, I have very few - easier to make friends when you are picking kids from school then when you are forced to work from home). I don't think she or I mind solitude too much, but just having someone around when cooking, watching tv, walking the dog and sharing everyday chores (I don't mind doing all of them - I don't work as much these days without the school fees) - all of these would be much more pleasant, and if individually they don't seem like match, added together they do represent a lot of time.
  • able to move into a larger house (we each have our own 2 up 2 down small cottage) so as to accommodate all our children and their boyfriends, babies, in laws, etc. when they visit. It is currently a nightmare even if the children turn up by themselves.
  • but most importantly of all, giving back a united family to our children and future grandchildren, and to some extent our respective parents. That's the big attraction for me. I thought my job as a Dad was accomplished when the children left. I can now see how untrue that was.

I don't think my ex loves me in the traditional sense either. I think (hope) she probably has the same feelings for me as I do for her, with a varying degree of fondess.

Anyway, my intention is to invite her to diner (should I take her to the hotel/restaurant that I took her to on our first weekend abroad in the early 80s ? she would be on her guard - is that a good thing, a little advance shock-absorbing warning of what's to come ?) and, as we are sat at the table, hand her a written letter explaining all of this: why and how I want us to be a family again, why it didn't work before and why I think it would work now.

So the question is, do you think it is a good way to go about it ? How do you think she might react ? It's obviously difficult to answer without knowing how she feels towards me, but I guess she has some of the "fondness" I mentioned, maybe not quite as much as I do, and she will see this with some suspicion (are my intentions true) and some apprehension (am I being too optimistic).

Thank you for taking the time to read this - well done if you got this far - and please let me know all your thoughts. I would read them with interest.

OP posts:
Lemsy · 30/05/2014 20:25

Maisie0.

Depression is also due to (very poor) choices we had made for us in our very early life by the people who were supposed to care for us. Please don't belittle a very serious condition.

As for the OP, why don't you make things right financially after screwing her over in the divorce if you care so much?

oikopolis · 30/05/2014 20:29

maisie maisie maisie.... so rarely do you talk sense...

Waltermittythesequel · 30/05/2014 20:37

Maisie DFOD

Like a bad penny...

MostWicked · 30/05/2014 20:46

You made your bed..... now lie in it!

Honestly, why on earth would she want you? You sound vile.

Maisie0 · 30/05/2014 20:51

Lemsy There are two aspects. The choices which were chosen by our parents, but then there are our own living choices in life too. Most people recognise the past, and they try to deal with it in their present life. It combines and compounds together too. I say this because I myself have gone through this too. Of feeling the lowest of the low, but that was due to my own decisions, without dragging other parties down with me. That is being a responsible person. We are dealt with what we are dealt with, but it is in our own life time to fight for life. Doesn't everyone ? Just because people do not talk openly about things does not mean that it does not happen to the next person either. Because in reality, it happens more often than you think. We should not use that as an excuse to opt out of life, or to opt out of our own scenarios too. That is the whole point.

Walther Sorry, what does DFOD mean ? I do not understand that term.

BettyBotter · 30/05/2014 20:51

I'm so pleased for your wife that she divorced you. Well done her! Wine

onetiredmummy · 30/05/2014 20:53

Depression is a man-made thing. It is a choice.

This Maisie, the bit that annoying everyone is your saying depression is a choice not a medical condition.

DFOD means do fuck off dear

AnyFucker · 30/05/2014 20:54

Maisie seems an odd type, that is for sure

"Depression is man made, just snap out of it" What ?

This post is fuck all to do with depression anyway. This thread has been posted (if it is real) by a terminally self centred twat whose "choices" are now comign home to roost. I hope he drowns in his self pity and does his ex and kids a favour

OP you have good life insurance, don't you

onetiredmummy · 30/05/2014 20:54

I wish he would come back!

Maisie0 · 30/05/2014 21:06

You can drug yourself, but the point is that depression is not something that just comes up out of the blue. The choices that we make each day against what we really want can bring us down into a depression. Take the OP's example here. He felt the stress and the pressure from raising children and actually even putting them through private school too. Wouldn't the pressure be relieved if it was not for the school fees? He cannot blame his children in the future if the choice was done by him to push this kind of financial burden through. (Although he sounded a tiny bit resentful to be honest.) Also the number of children that one should have in one's life time. If you cannot afford children, or the numbers do not add up, then why push for this ? Even if a person has whatever trauma from their parent's generation, most smart individuals would and do actually try not to take that road that their parents have either, but they too would not let that overtake their whole personality and life to do something against their own will and capabilities. When you push yourself against your true self and your true nature, that is why depression happens. Burnt out, lost, stressed, not sure what happened, lost focus. I would have thought that as adults, we can and be aware of this kind of stress level.

Lemsy · 30/05/2014 21:07

Maisie0,

That's great that you've found a way to deal with what is going on with you. One size does not fit all, you're coming across as sanctimonious when you know nothing about other's people's circumstances. Step away from the armchair psycho-babble, it never helps.

Anyway, this thread isn't about depression, as said.

Maisie0 · 30/05/2014 21:09

AF I would appreciate it if you do not put words into my mouth thanks. I certainly did not write this.

"Depression is man made, (just snap out of it" What ?)

I did not ask anyone to snack out of anything. If anything, I would ask any mature adult to step back and assess their own stress level and assess all aspect of their own lives. Cos you cannot complain to others based on choices which overload you. If anything, I would advocate people to say "no" to things which stress themselves out, or that they are stretching themselves too thin.

Minion100 · 30/05/2014 21:09

I'll be nicer than the others but they do seem to have valid points

It sounds like you have a shared history with your wife, a familiarity and a comfort you draw from her. You also share a family -children, grandchildren and many memories. She has been there for you through the years. I'm not surprised that as you get older you are drawn to the idea of returning to all those wonderful things.

However, sadly the value of those things is diminished. You were not loyal in return, you threw away your marriage and you made your choices and now need to live with the consequences.

In your position, I would tell your wife how sorry you are for the things you have done and for the marriage and life you threw away (although I am not sure from your post that you even FEEL sorry) and I would allow her to move on with her life.

54 is not old. I would suggest taking the post you wrote here to a good counsellor and spending 6 - 12 moths in exploitative therapy because your post is very ego centric. You seem to have no value for the things which matter most. You seem selfish, shallow and emotionally immature.

Grab the chance to unravel who you are and perhaps you have a chance at happiness.

Maisie0 · 30/05/2014 21:14

Lemsy I'm sorry if you find my post somewhat sanctimonious and it touched a nerve. But I certainly won't displace that typical wifey response which I often read on MN for. The OP is a fully grown adult and he should know. If the OP is not self aware then why would his ex wife believe him to begin with ?

Minion100 · 30/05/2014 21:15

exploratary. not exploitative

AnyFucker · 30/05/2014 21:23

Maisie, are you excusing the behavior self-professed by this bloke as "stretching himself too thin" ?

I would call it "being a father"

do you make lots of allowances for that, as a rule ?

AnyFucker · 30/05/2014 21:26

Nah, minion

I think in the interests of "therapy", OP needs to sit quietly and imagine his still sexy exwife fucking lots of other men whose cocks haven't gone into a self-induced decline.

That'll sort his bonce out

cerealqueen · 30/05/2014 21:31

Thing is, if you did re-marry, you'd feel trapped again.

If you love her, let her go and be happy, as its pretty certain she has never been with you.

Maisie0 · 30/05/2014 21:33

AF I am trying to be human. As well as trying to talk to him level to level, on a peer to peer level. I am also not one of these women who thinks that we can have supermen in this world either. If women cannot be superwomen, then nor can the men. We all have our baselines to be honest. Maybe you like to think that men can be supermen too in this day and age. I don't. Maybe because I work in one of the more male-dominated industry that I do and see the breaking point on a man. I mean, I couldn't do it. So I don't expect a man can either. We are not robots... It is not an excuse tbh. It is being pragmatic. Nobody teaches you work versus life "balance". It is learnt from life experiences.

Unfortunately.

Maisie0 · 30/05/2014 21:34

*how to find that work versus life balance

alphabook · 30/05/2014 21:53

I suffered from depression in the past. I used to wake up feeling rock bottom with not the faintest clue why, I would hide under the covers wracking my brains trying to figure out why I felt like this.
My brain was broken. It had absolutely nothing to do with my "choices".

And FYI - being a self-obsessed narcissist is not depression.

alphabook · 30/05/2014 21:55

Maisie - I think the OP has made it clear he had plenty of work-life balance with all his "extra-curricular activities".

AnyFucker · 30/05/2014 21:57

Don't be silly, Maisie

If you have worked with a lot of men (as I have) then you should recognise a twat when you see one

Unless you are twat-blind

Some women are...they will make excuse after excuse for men. It's all so hard for them, earning a crust, raising a family, dipping their wick here there and everywhere

it's quite torture

Lemsy · 30/05/2014 21:58

Maisie0,

Can't make any sense of your post really. I was just responding initially to your sweeping generalisation about depression being a 'choice'. You might just as well have said 'pull yourself together' or 'get out in the fresh air'. People like you can be very dangerous to people with depression.

AnyFucker · 30/05/2014 21:59

Lemsy, yup

Except this bloke isn't depressed, so it's rather academic really

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