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Opinions Please - sorry so long

73 replies

Marsbarcheesecake · 19/05/2014 11:08

Background - together 3&bit years. I'd been in a 20yr EA marriage he'd been a player for 15yrs after divorce from unfaithful wife .... we took it really slowly - I didn't introduce him to my children until we'd been seeing each other for over a year.

Started talking about him moving in with us about this time last year and planned to do it in October (2013) with his place being rented out. Then in August he became seriously ill and after a life saving op couldn't go home alone so moved straight in with us. It was difficult to start with but we all soon got used to it and he's made a remarkable recovery. We've got engaged and he's recently booked (and paid for - a considerable sum) a holiday for us, my children & his two daughters (both early 20's).

This morning he's gone away for two nights with work. I went to log into Facebook on shared computer to find him still logged in and this conversation showing (sorry it's long!)

Conversation started 31 March 2012

HIM: 31/03/2012 11:33

Hi Sxxxx
It was as lovely as it was unexpected to see you in the pub on Friday night. I hope I didn't disturb your evening, but I had to say hello.
I have to go to Cyprus soon but wondered ... would you like to catch up over coffee sometime?

Nl x

HIM: 26/04/2013 16:13

Hi Sxxxx
Weird to think it's a year since we bumped into each other in the Prince of Wales. I wasn't ever going to follow up but just saw you today having a (very late!) lunch with another lady in a restaurant at the foot of road. Actually almost said hello, but then wondered if it was your Mum maybe, and didn't want to intrude / cause you to have to explain everything to her.
Now I'm home, I wish I'd said hello of course. Hence this message. You know, it's seventeen years since our summer romance. Seems forever ago, and yet also just a few months. How weird time is.
I'm actually on the verge of a pretty big decision. You know how it is... You know you will look back one day and recognise this was a big turning point, but of course THEN you'll also know what the right decision should have been ! Unfortunately it's now when you've got to got to make the damned decision !
I guess you decided not to go to Australia? Maybe you're living happily ever after with your Terence Trent D'Arby lookalike (couldn't resist ) or maybe you've moved on. I'd love to know. It feels like we had a great story but we never got to read the last page.
Whatever happens, I do hope you're happy. You still looked charming and elegant at lunch
N

Sxxx: 07/04/2014 17:20

Hi N, I'm so sorry for not responding, I've only just found your messages. Facebook is still a bit of a mystery to me…and I don't come on very often. I went to Australia last year, finally got the visa, but only stayed for 3 months.
How was your decision….did you make the right choice? I'm with Terence and very happy….hence I didn't leave blighty. Seventeen years….gosh, time has flown. I hope you're well and enjoying life. It was nice to bump into you, you haven't changed.
S x

HIM:18/05/2014 13:32

No, I don't use FB much either... but it was good to hear from you. well, it's 18 years now, and yes, I made the right decision, moving in with Axxxxx after a lot of soul-searching. Didn't think you'd changed either... but I'm pleased you're happy. Maybe we'll meet again sometime, who knows? You take care, N

HIM; 18/05/2014 13:40

ps jus re-read that and it sounds a bit like a christmas card greeting to a distant friend. There is more I could say, of course, but I've made a choice. I guess I'm saying I shouldn't have got in touch but it was still really good to hear you're happy. I really wish you every happiness in life - and lots and lots of happy chistmasses to come of course!!

HIM:18/05/2014 14:46

OK one last go.
I’ve just re-read again and it now sounds like I thought I could click my fingers and somehow rekindle an old flame. Er, no,.!
All I’ve been trying to say Sxxxx, is – you and I ended so suddenly then it was like you fell off the world, and I’d love to know what happened next. I’d love to have a coffee and tell you what happened to me too. We had this wonderful moment in the sun and it seems weird to have just airbrushed it out of history.
But I realise now that that get-together can’t really happen as, even if you’d still like to do it (admittedly unlikely after these mad ramblings), the person I’m with might not see it that way, and I couldn’t possibly do that to her, as well, I owe her such a lot (including nursing me back to health after my very nearly dying last year).
Anyway, I’m well now, in fact something of a health nut (long-distance running etc!), who’d have thought??
And I’d like to wish you well properly, and hope that, if we ever do bump into each other again, it will be as friends.
N x

Sxxx: 18/05/2014 14:52

Hi N, it's good to gear from you, I'm so sorry to hear you were ill last year. It sounds like you've been through the wars. It has been a long time, and yes we both have stories! I'm so glad you found someone you care about, and who obviously cares about you. I'm sure we'll bump into each other at some point, I'm back in the UK now after a bit of travelling. Getting married next year! I wish you all the very best in the world too. Sx

HIM: 18/05/2014 14:57

That's wonderful news Sxxx, many sincere congratulations, N x

Sxxx:18/05/2014 15:03

Thank you x

Now I feel curiously unemotional about this ..... what do you think? The only thing that bothers me is that he didn't say that he's getting married too.

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matildasquared · 19/05/2014 13:23

He was coming on to her.

She let him down gently and firmly.

The next person he comes on to might accede.

This after you've nursed him? NO WAY.

onetiredmummy · 19/05/2014 13:44

It seemed all above board to me, I didn't get any coming onto her signs tbh. Perhaps a slight regret that their relationship wasn't fully explored but no meaning to do any more than talk about it. They both seemed nostalgic but not up for anything more.

Sounds safe to me :)

coppertop · 19/05/2014 13:57

It reads to me as though he's trying it on. She's being polite but making it clear that she's not interested and is very happy with her soon-to-be dh.

I also don't like the way he's making himself sound hard-done-by because you apparently (despite knowing nothing of their communication or his wish to meet up) wouldn't approve of them catching up. She makes her dp/dh sound like a nice person. Your dp mentions you only to make a dig at you.

GrassIsSinging · 19/05/2014 14:00

He is trying it on. She rebuffed his advances very politely.

VanitasVanitatum · 19/05/2014 14:07

He tried it on in the earlier messages, but then said he'd chosen you and it was the right choice. That's a dispassionate outside view though. If I was you I imagine I'd be tearing a strip off him. At least.

matildasquared · 19/05/2014 14:28

But I realise now that that get-together can’t really happen as, even if you’d still like to do it (admittedly unlikely after these mad ramblings), the person I’m with might not see it that way, and I couldn’t possibly do that to her, as well, I owe her such a lot (including nursing me back to health after my very nearly dying last year).

This is so cringe-worthy. I could never respect someone who wrote something so manipulative. He keeps trying to bait her with drama and she's like, "Okay, have a nice life, I'm happy with my partner!"

magoria · 19/05/2014 14:30

I think if she had said yes let's meet he would have been in there like a shot. It is only her disinterest that meant he got no further.

Next one...

Guiltypleasures001 · 19/05/2014 14:42

Stuck his smarmy toe in the water she said politely no thanks and he's now oh yes yes quite right I have someone too bluster bluster fudge fudge.

Sorry op he can't keep it in his pants he might be full of good intentions but I don't think he honestly can help himself. A player for 15yrs and now he's changed errm no not without some serious soul searching on his part and deliberate changes.

It seems his health problems made him jump the gun and he found himself in need of some help, I'm sure he is grateful but he really isn't a keeper and he knows this.

CoffeeTea103 · 19/05/2014 15:09

Sorry op I would be very upset if this was me. He was definitely testing the waters with her. He actually came across as pestering her with his repeated messages. She told him firmly and politely that she isn't interested. To me it sounds like he is settling with you as it's beneficial for his health but would have cheated on you if she gave him the slightest hint she was interested. Seems like he hasn't left his player ways behind.

Quitelikely · 19/05/2014 15:18

I think if she had given him the nod he would have been there like a shot and even ended things with you if there was a chance of something long term.

I don't know how you will come to terms with this tbh? I think it's whether you can accept that he seemed prepared to throw the towel in with you

BrunoBrookesDinedAlone · 19/05/2014 15:25

And there you have the kind of man who can be described as a player for 15 years.

His wife being the unfauthful one - do you just have that from him, or confirmed independently?

Stuck his smarmy toe in the water she said politely no thanks and he's now oh yes yes quite right I have someone too bluster bluster fudge fudge.

This ^

I'd say get rid. But I don't think you will, so good luck, and don't ever let your guard down with this one.

tigermoll · 19/05/2014 20:52

I'm usually more of a LTB type, but in this instance, I'm not sure it's that cut and dried. Yes, it seems he still has a few tender 'what if' feelings for a summer fling from 18 years ago. (I think we've all got someone in our pasts like that). He saw her by chance, and those feelings sent him on an exciting little spiral, so he contacted her and let her know that he still thinks of her warmly. She was politely not interested, and he was a little embarrassed and fudged a little. We don't know that he would have taken her up on the offer if she had said 'brilliant idea, I know a motel we could go to'. For all we know, he just wanted the little thrill of having a bit of a crush on an old flame.
He hasn't behaved particularly honorably, but I'm not sure that this incident (if he is otherwise loving and trustworthy) is a hanging offense. If anything, it's a bit sad - he clearly thinks of her with a golden glow around her, and she doesn't even seem that interested in finding out anything about him. That must have been something of a dent to his pride. (FWIW, I have an ex who would still give me butterflies if I saw him by chance. I might even be tempted to fb him. If I said 'don't you want to know how my story turned out?' and he said 'not fussed actually', I'd be crushed Grin )

matildasquared · 19/05/2014 21:22

Tigermoll, I think your assessment is very kind on him. He contacted her over and over, from what we see, being very coy and manipulative.

daisychain01 · 19/05/2014 21:41

He is a persistent little devil isn't he.

Definitely didnt want to leave a stone unturned, going back to her several times in quick succession.

Talking of stones ....

I'd ask him to crawl under the nearest one, if I were you

It made my blood run cold

daisychain01 · 19/05/2014 21:46

He is a persistent little devil isn't he.

Definitely didnt want to leave a stone unturned, going back to her several times in quick succession.

Talking of stones ....

I'd ask him to crawl under the nearest one, if I were you

It made my blood run cold reading it. You poor thing finding it on your computer. Do you think he left it there for you to see on purpose? It seems so careless...

daisychain01 · 19/05/2014 21:49

Sorry for double post my mobile threw a wobbly on me xx

upupupandaway · 19/05/2014 22:08

If it looks like a rat,smells like a rat; you can be certain it ( he) is a rat. A one off ok, but a barrage of messages to random women??? Leaving all his options' open after you nursed him from the brink of death? ( that is if he real was at deaths door IYNWIM? )

Forget that he's forked out for an expensive holiday ( most likely paid for by a previously duped girlfriend) and be well rid of the shit! There is no way you can interoperate these messages as anything other than a means to con/scam other woman. Tell him to fuck the fuck of else you will name/shame the pillock in Take a Break.

JonesRipley · 19/05/2014 22:52

Hmm

I think he's having a lovely fantasy that has been rebuffed. I think he carries it on longer than he should have. I would be wondering about his maturity and i think I'd confront him with it.

ChelsyHandy · 19/05/2014 23:47

Probably a complete red herring but it struck me when reading his responses that they are written in a very distinctive style. Its so distinctive, it reminded me of a certain pest of a man who spends all his time on an internet forum related to a certain hobby (which he doesn't actually do), who spends all his time on it sending personal messages to the women on it.

tallwivglasses · 19/05/2014 23:58

As I was reading that I just thought - sad, and slimy. And a bit pathetic. OP, do you still respect this man?

FatherJake · 20/05/2014 03:25

Eeugh. Sorry but the bloke sounds like a creepy loser. Those 3 messages all in a row, very very desperate. He's trying so hard to be lyrical with all his 'stories to tell' (FFS who actually says that?) and 'falling off the end of the world' and it's not washing one little bit with the woman who is not giving an inch.

If I were you I would be not only angry but concerned about the kind of pathetic bloke I was intending to say my vows to.

daisychain01 · 20/05/2014 04:30

Up and away maybe S xxx smelt the rat from a mile off and decided to kick him fall off the edge 9 the world!!

Do it them before they do it to you, and all that..

AnyFucker · 20/05/2014 12:25

Well, OP. You have had the opinions you asked for. Any thoughts ?

Ringsender2 · 20/05/2014 12:42

sounds like emails that my late father could have written, and he was a serial philanderer. Sorry, OP, he's a creep.

Marsbarcheesecake · 20/05/2014 23:01

OP here. Think I'm in shock (most of you will probably say denial) but I don't recognise the man most of you see at all :(

Thank you onetiredmummy & tigermoll - that's how I was viewing things ...... we all have someone we remember through rose tinted glasses.

Having said that I'm not stupid & I'm absolutely not a hopeless romantic but neither am I very good at confrontation so I've spent most of the day wondering what to do - and realised that what I really need to know is what he'd do if she was up for meeting??

So .... I've copied her pictures from FB & set up a duplicate profile & she has now sent him this message:

Hi N been thinking about you for last couple of days & you're right - it would be great to hear each other stories! So how about that coffee? I'm free Saturday afternoon x

I've suggested Saturday afternoon as he knows I'm out then.

He's back tomorrow night & hasn't been on FB at all whilst away - so I just need to hold my breath & see how he replies to S***

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