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Unhappily married and in love with another woman?

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samnam · 12/05/2014 22:21

I have developed strong feelings for my sisters friend. I knew the minute I met her that she was going to cause me grief. I am married, I'm 40 now and met my wife when I was 18 and she was 22, I was working away from home and she seemed like a safe refuge for me at the time, then after only a few months of dating she fell pregnant and I married her. I knew in my heart then that it wasn't what I wanted but I felt I had to do the right thing by her. She was a great mother and my responsibilities made me focus on my career and I worked hard to provide a good home for my wife and children. I am fond of my wife, she is a decent woman but I don't love her. She is very conventional and doesn't read, she isn't interested in politics, the arts, music etc she likes the x factor, the soaps, going to benidorm, reading trashy magazines and the daily mail.

When we got together and I got her pregnant I didn't know who I was myself I was just a kid. I feel I did my best to try and love her, to make it work and I've always been faithful to her but when I think of my life just always being with her, never really knowing what love is like it depresses the hell out of me.

In the past I was always able to push my feelings aside because I would tell myself that there wasn't anyone else anyway but that as changed too.

This friend of my sisters is amazing she is 35 and gorgeous but she has her own style she's very arty, has a masters degree and is very well read and can talk about anything. She is so switched on and I want that, I want someone who is mentally alive and curious, I want that so much.

I think maybe she likes me too, or at least she picks up on my loneliness and is responsive to that.

If I could wave a magic wand I would be free to ask her out but stupidly I had stayed in my marriage even though I knew it was a shadow of what marriage should be.

I don't know what to do, the time has come to tell my wife how I feel, I am sure she must know on some level how I feel. Perhaps she won't even care?

What should I do?

OP posts:
Bogeyface · 13/05/2014 04:05

And in case you think I am a bitter ex, I am not. This has never happened to me, but I have seen it played out so often and everytime it has been the same.

Stick around. Read the Relationships board for a few weeks and you will see that what you are doing is not new, its not original and its not going have a happy ending for any of you.

AnyFucker · 13/05/2014 04:12

If he is real, I sense a mind made up already

Hissy · 13/05/2014 06:18

I would point out that I too haven't been on the receiving end of adultery (if you discount my parents) but I have been on mumsnet long enough to have seen the fallout of everything you're doing/saying happening to others.

You think your situation is unique? It's not, you sound like every man who's ever tried to justify starting an affair.

Take a long look in the mirror aand ask yourself if you want to be that kind of man to your kids? For them to hate you for humiliating their mother by starting something before you've finished things properly.

I'm not saying stick in a marriage you're not happy in, not at all, i'm saying end things properly, leave her dignity intact, be a decent man because of the huge shared history.

I too am NOT EVER going to give you, or anyone else, carte blanche to cheat.

FolkGirl · 13/05/2014 06:28

Sam I think you are getting some very harsh responses here from people who are possibly projecting.

I wouldn't want someone to stay with me out of a sense of duty or obligation. I want someone to be with me because they love me. Because they look at me and think I'm fucking amazing! Not because they married me with the best of intentions but in hindsight it wasn't the right thing to do... I would however, want them to talk to me about it.

My exH had an affair, which was a shitty thing to do. And he is now living back with his parents, unable to afford to move out, the OW has dumped him (he's not as attractive now she has to factor alternate weekends with the kids into the mix...). He shouldn't have had an affair, but he should have been honest about how he felt.

Yes, your wife deserves to be happy and with someone she loves and who truly loves her. Of course she does. As do you. I don't think meeting someone else who makes you realise there is more out there is wrong. Unless you pursue it whilst you are still married.

You only get one life and whilst you owe it to her to not take the piss and be deliberately cruel to her, I don't understand why you need to stay there if you are truly unhappy. You can still be a very good dad and a decent exH.

I couldn't be with someone who is the way you describe her to be. I would find it intellectually and creatively claustrophobic. My exH and I were late 30s when we separated and the things about him that weren't a big problem for me when I was 25 were things I could no longer tolerate when I was 35. I can also understand how you can push your feelings about these things aside for many years and it's only when something brings them to the forefront of your mind that you really start to evaluate. Especially if, as you say, you've just thrown your all into being the husband, the father, the provider... It's easy for some people to say you should have left sooner, but leaving your spouse because they like X Factor and you don't is a bit trite! But it does add to an undercurrent of dissatisfaction and resentment that you can bury for a lot of the time.

For the main, we are fairly amicable now. I like him as a person a lot more now than I have in a very long time. But I have never been happier than I am now without him.

The reason you need to do it 'properly' though is that my exH lost a lot of friends because of what he did, and a lot of respect from his other friends, work colleagues, family... The children know what he did. And I've definitely come out of it on top. He's approaching 40 with nothing to show for his life so far but a lot of regrets. Don't make the same mistake.

LovelyMarchHare · 13/05/2014 06:34

This is another thread where the tone of the advice would be entirely different if the roles were reversed. If a woman said 'I married in error all those years ago and whilst we get on ok and he has worked hard to provide we have nothing in common. He plays video games all the time and goes out drinking with mates and reads the Daily Mail. Oh but I've had a connection with a man and I can see how life could be but I want to do it right' no one would be laying into the OP in the way they are here.

No one would say she was shitting on her family or that she deserved to be alone and miserable reflecting on what she has done. There would have been understanding (although I agree that she would have been, quite properly, told to end her marriage without starting a new relationship).

OP you may have decades ahead of you. Your wife deserves truth and to have the chance to make the most of the rest of her life as much as you do. To that end, tell her first, wait a while and then pursue a new relationship. Overlapping the stages isn't the answer. I don't judge you at all for concluding that you may have reached the end of the road in your marriage but I would judge you for having an affair.

LovelyMarchHare · 13/05/2014 06:35

Big cross post with Folk Girl there!

deXavia · 13/05/2014 06:42

Its not bad to acknowledge you are unhappy in life - its how you deal with it that matters. If you and your wife are just "rubbing" along I'm willing to bet she is unhappy too - or at lest discontent. And by the way you're not "better" because you have different interests - you are just - well - different.

So you've got kids between roughly 21 and 16 - and I presume leaving home shortly (or maybe the eldest have left) as well as them being the age you were when you "settled". Are you surprised this is the time you suddenly realize this isn't what you want? But the only way to end this with any dignity is to put aside the thoughts of an OW or affair and sort out your own marriage. This may mean leaving it - it may mean counselling - it may mean trying to find different (for both of you) but common interests.

If the OW is the "one" for you - and for the record I don't believe there is only ever "one" but I can see how it might feel that way - then she will still be there when everything else is settled - split assets fairly and no one ends up eating baked beans.. especially when the kids are old enough that you can sell up and both get smaller but adequate places. Treat your wife - the mother of your kids and who has supported you for 20 odd years - with the respect she deserves whether you love her or not.

deXavia · 13/05/2014 06:42

And everything MarchHare said

BluebellTuesday · 13/05/2014 06:44

I am not sure the tone of the advice would be different though; if there is no obvious abuse, the usual response to women is to try counselling, not to chuck in a 20 odd year marriage on a whim.

ravenmum · 13/05/2014 06:47

At some point in the future, with any luck, your wife will be able to watch the X Factor without any feeling that she is either pushing you into watching it or pushing you into another room while she does. With any luck she'll be able to go to Benidorm with someone else who wants to go to Benidorm, and she'll have a great time.

Right now, however, your wife will be hurt whatever you do. I don't believe there is any person so emotionless that they would feel OK about breaking up after 22 years. You'd have mentioned it if she was a psychopath! You'd like her to feel OK, but that's because you feel bad about hurting her. You're going to have to grow up a bit and do something that hurts someone, but with your eyes open. In the full knowledge that it hurts, without denying it to yourself or her. Apologise; say you are sorry that it hurts her. Because by the sound of it, you are sorry.

What makes you think she knows how you feel? Have you ever made any comments about marrying young and being a different person now? Have you continued to tell her that you love her? Are you sure that she knows, or might it just again be wishful thinking? It is perfectly normal for you to be suffering from a severe case of wishful thinking right now: watch out for it in yourself.

Rogerthatmummy · 13/05/2014 07:00

Completely agree with folkgirl, Marchhare and dexavia.

Absolutely no affairs, but if you are not happy then be honest with your wife and tell her.

My parents 'rubbed along' for years - it was apparent to all that they were both unhappy and the undercurrent of tension/ dissatisfaction was awful to live with (even though I had left home, gone to uni, etc) they finally decided to separate when I was 21, youngest sibling 16. We were relieved.

All I would say is think about how you keep your kids informed about what is going on - NOT be divulging the he said she said nonsense - remember you are the parent, no matter how heartbreaking the split it. They are NOT your confidantes. My parents faffed around so we didn't know what was happening and then when they took decisions they failed to communicate them, resulting in for example (completely outing myself) my dad moving out of the family home the day after Boxing Day but them not telling my youngest sibling (16yo) until that morning! Unsurprisingly she found that hard to deal with...

This is not a 'think of the kids and don't do it' post - just make sure that both you and your wife are sensitive and thoughtful and parents first and foremost when you decide to split and tell the children.

I'll also add that our parents splitting was the best thing that could have happened to their relationship and bar complete personality changes that would have meant they were compatible in the first place the only thing I would change is them managing their communication better with my siblings and me.

NeilDiamondRocks · 13/05/2014 08:02

Marchhare the scenario you describe - a husband playing games all the time and going out drinking with his mates - has NOTHING in common with the OP. That is a completely strawman argument. His wife does not disrespect him like that....in fact, the opposite seems to be the case.

angel1976 · 13/05/2014 08:17

My ex met someone on a ski trip in Feb. Supposedly nothing happened... Hmm He sprouted bullshit about how he feels our marriage has been dead for a few years. He moved out in April, they were shacked up by October.

I just had dinner with HIS friends, none of them liked what he did and the OW. His BF's wife thinks the OW will eventually leave him when she realises he won't have a child with her or he will end of relenting and have a child with her only to have history repeat itself...

Whatever.

I'm happier now, I am with someone who adores me. I hope we will stay together but who knows? I have very little faith in love and marriage at the moment but what I will not forgive my ex for is letting me think for 2 months that we had hope and I feel humiliated by what I tried to do to 'save' our marriage when all he was doing was justifying him leaving and looking for an exit door. He made me think the problem was with us when it was always her he was leaving for. So do it right if you have to but the repercussions will hurt everyone involved...

Upnotdown · 13/05/2014 09:18

Re-writing history in action. Never loved her - yeah right.

Way to give yourself permission!

Trojanhouse · 13/05/2014 09:45

Just leave if you want to, but stop looking at mumsnet for
'Permission ' to leave your wife.
However, the grass on the other side may just be a tad yellow.

LiberalLibertine · 13/05/2014 10:19

Of course no one should stay when they're unhappy.

I just think saying that you've never loved the woman you've been with for 20 odd years, and you only married her to 'do the right thing' is doing her a massive disservice.

Did you tell her all those years ago? No, so she had no say in committing to a marriage that you didn't really want to be in.

She could have been living with someone who truly loved her.

Maybe she would have chosen differently.

That's why I'd advise leaving her regardless of this new woman, she deserves to be happy.

hellsbellsmelons · 13/05/2014 11:14

No Lovely it certainly wouldn't.
I've seen plenty on here over the years where the OP, being a woman, has had the same advice as on here.
Your scenario of the lazy slob of a husband though is totally nothing to do with this thread.
His wife isn't like that.
She doesn't ignore the housework, or the children to play games and laze about and expect everything to be done for her - quite the opposite in fact.

For me as well, this is a case or re-writing history. We see it so often on here and it's very sad.

OP - You do what you want to do, but do NOT take away your wife's happy memories of the best part of her life.
Do NOT re-write history to justify you leaving her.
Do NOT leave, just because you've had your head turned.
Really think this through. Consider really what your life has been like for the last 20+ years.
Has it been awful? Horrible? Has your wife treated you poorly?

Just leave her with some dignity and respect.

My ex had an affair. She turned out to be a nightmare and guess what?.... Yep he wanted me back - he'd made a big mistake etc....
But the reason I didn't make a go of it in the first place was because, as has already been said, I didn't want him to stay out of duty or pity.
I wanted someone who would love and adore me as I should be loved and adored.
I have that now and your wife will find it too.

So yes, finish it, find yourself, find out what you really want from life but do NOT change past events to make yourself feel better.

Trojanhouse · 13/05/2014 11:19

Great post hells

Maisie0 · 13/05/2014 11:39

Oh gosh. Ok. I cannot say that I have led the most perfect life either, but this is what I do know from my own experiences.

Ok, so I do not know if you are aware of this. To me, there are 3 actual issues that you do have to address here.

1 - your own identity as a person, your wife's identity as a person.
2 - your marriage itself.
3 - this other woman whom you think you have "fallen in love" with.

It is actually very rare for anybody to have "found themselves" unless their parents brought them up to be aware of their own personalities to begin with, and continued to nurture them this way. Even as adults, most people try to find themselves from their teen years to their 20s. In actual fact, our personalities are not fully developed until we are more solid into our early 30s I think. To me, it does not sound like you know yourself well, or that your wife knows herself well too. Maybe she has fallen into the habit of being mother, and that you also thinks that this work. I actually cannot believe that you disassociated your wife as a person from being "mom" to that of being "wife". It should be the same person.
It does not sound like you wanted "happy forever" because it was the right person for you for life, than it was a "duty", or an actual "motivation". Also, you are the 2nd person I have read online about the lack of sex in a marriage. I do not know if this has also affected you personally too. i.e. you are starting to fantasize too much and onto this woman.

There is another thread here about male/female's perception of "love" and of marriage. If you start to "fantisize" about it, then you must "want it". If you want something, then turn it into reality by making choices that leads to that reality. I am not sure if you have let go of your own "false self" yet. i.e. hero of your life/the pregnancy. But if you do not make sure and work at it by making choices in real life that align what you "think" in your mind to that of what you want in real life. You would have checked out of life already. Which is what you have done here. The question is, have you ever talked to you wife openly, and allow her to be open-minded about your marriage and work actively on this ? Not passively, but actively together ? Or did you just "did things" hoping that she took you seriously, but without her realisation? Has she also stopped listening to you too ?

I wonder if this woman recognises your pain is because she is of the same personality as yourself. I also wonder if this is more of an admiration or a recognition of someone with similar personalities as yourself, than it is of someone whom actually has hidden feelings for you in a loving way. To me, it sounds like you are lusting for her than loving her. Cos how can you love someone that you do not know ? You wrote here, and everything you wrote were based on admiration. e.g. "I like her style". But style is a man-made decision and conscious choice. Your wife can also wear the same style too. Do you think that the style belongs to a person ? Does that make sense ? Art, politics, these are information. We can read them, and then repeat them outwards. Have you ever altruistically asked her what she likes, rather than what she did and stood for ? It is rather rubbish to assume her as a person even without asking her about herself.

Counselling may allow you to see who you are as a person, and how decisions have affected your life. It is not going to make you love your wife more. It will make you "see" or "connect" emotionally and mentally where the various wrong decisions were, and how you can try to correct them in some ways by putting ideas forward. i.e. make a conscious decision which leads you closer to the life that you want. It does not mean rejecting what you think you currently have and will get you what you want asap by replacement. Or to make you feel entirely happy. It is a tool, and it is about self learning.

On another note, you have not had sex, and do you not think that this had been a problem all along too ? If you do not have sex, then where does your wife find her own "desirability" from ?
Simple logic: Husband finds me desirable. I go dress nicely.

So at the moment, she has definitely lost herself totally and become a "mom". But she is also a woman as well, you do realise this, right ? She also have needs too as you have needs too. She is more interested in TV, because those things are "safe" to know, because it replaces what is missing from her own life. I can tell you that, I actually have not watched TV shows, or watched movies that much for like a few years already. It allows you to know yourself well.

To me, I think you need to stop this idea of being with this other woman, and focus on your own marriage issues first. Even if it ends in a divorce, then go about the right way to it. i.e. address the specific issue in its appropriate way. Not to displace it away, or find a replacement and assume that numbing it with other things will work.

If a person knows their own identity, and that they do something which actually matches their own identities, then their eyes glitter, and their minds are peaceful and their heart is joyous. This is not an age thing.
I recommend a personality test. Find out what makes you tick and how you tick first. Even before approaching someone else. Cos to me, both of you seemed to have lost your bearings. It is never too late to change the rest of the future, but you definitely need to counsel and get the regrets come out and deal with the emotional aspect, and the mental aspect, and put a closure to that before making better choices at this moment in time.

To me, it sounds like you have been in this relationship out of guilt from the beginning. I do not know if this is admirable or whether this is naiveness. You are not that older than I, and I do not know why you did not push yourself through the heartaches of having an abortion at the time to make yourself see "sense". If you want to correct this, then correct it by being honest, with yourself, and with your partners and children, and be there for the fallout than running away finding sanctuary in somebody else. Cos why would you bring baggage into their lives to begin with ? They should not have to deal with your bad karmas as well.

I have not been in a long strung out marriage, but yes, I have been on that "rebound" situation, and I can assure you that it killed me more than I would have wanted to. I did that once, and I never want to make the same mistake again. It was almost like a self sacrificial step. Sometimes avoiding the bad from happening is almost as bad as actively making the bad deliberate choices.

I do not know much, but yes, regardless of how much pain we can cause others, the most painful thing that one can do is to let ourselves experience more pain. Walking away from the pain and going into the arms of own ideal fantasized situation will not allow us to learn the lesson. If you want to learn the lesson, then deal with the situation that you got on your hands right now, rather than to expand it and make it messier by bringing in someone at this point in time. She may be a trigger to make yourself realise where you are in life. A lot of things do this to us sometimes, and it is okay, because it is our own consciousness being aware of what we missed in life, or to correct certain aspect of our own lives. Being responsible is also about cleaning up our own mistakes too.

morethanpotatoprints · 13/05/2014 11:46

I wonder whether your intelligence knowledge of arts, music etc would be good enough for this ow anyway. What would you have in common? You have lead a very different life for 22 years.
Having been married for 22 years I can see where you are coming from, everybody changes. Me and dh have gone through several changes but the important bit is the sticking together and growing together.
I think you are worried you are getting old and having a bit of a mid life crisis. This is normal, but leaving your wife for a dream isn't.
If you are incompatible leave your wife obviously, but for a whim?

DenzelWashington · 13/05/2014 11:56

If leaving your wife is what you want, then do it. Staying in case your crush doesn't work out would be dishonest, cynical exploitation of your wife. Leaving but throwing out accusations as you go so your wife feels guilty and you don't have to be the baddie to family and friends is also dishonest, cynical exploitation of your wife.

Don't blame your wife for how you feel, or the state of your marriage, or for being inadequate in various ways. That's horrible. Accept responsibility for your feelings. It doesn't really matter who, if anyone, is 'to blame', but bear in mind it takes two to make a marriage.

Decide what you want and how best to get it with the least hurt to everyone else. Then do it and be honest and fair.

MerryMarigold · 13/05/2014 11:57

I think it's 'interesting' that you have stuck around for 20 years with someone you 'don't love' (and never did), but now you are attracted to someone else, you have finally realised that.

I think (I haven't RTFT to see if others have said this), that you are post rationalising. I think you've had a good marriage, or you wouldn't have stayed in this day and age. I don't think it's been unhappy or loveless for 20 years, with sex twice a year. If it really was, I am not sure why you were there.

You HAVE to take this new woman out of the equation. Maybe she has woken you up to reality. Or maybe you fancy the pants off her, and are suddenly seeing your marriage in a bad light when in fact it was ok. IF you decide to go, it cannot be to take up with her.

I would suggest it is only fair to your wife to leave though. And to be totally honest about why. It will help her, partly because she can be really angry with you.

AnyFucker · 13/05/2014 12:06

Any more thoughts, OP ?

Mugg1ns · 13/05/2014 13:58

Maybe he has stayed in his unsatisfactory marriage because he didn't want to compromise his involvement with his children.

noddyholder · 13/05/2014 14:12

Maybe your wife feels the same

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