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I am not sure whether to trust him? Please help. Long Post

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pleasehelpshaking · 03/03/2014 12:25

Hi. NC for this. I am too ashamed to speak to RL friends about this.

DH and I are have been separated for the past 8 months. No one cheated during the marriage but he wanted the separation because he said I had changed and withdrawn from him in the previous year and wasn't the woman he fell in love with, which was true. That said, I was very shocked that he walked our rather than trying to work on it or talk to me about it. It felt at the time like he threw our (very good) marriage away without a second thought. We have 3 young DCs that love their Dad so much which made it even worse.

He was very stubborn and refused to talk to me or work on it, even insisted on NC when he collected the kids. I was devastated. I spent months crying, lost a lot of weight and did not know what to do. He said he wanted a divorce and was adamant on this.

I was in a mess, and in my effort to cheer myself up I joined match.com and went on three dates in a week and had drunken sex with one of them. Not proud of it, but I felt really low and rejected. I then had sex with an old boyfriend a few months later during a very low time. All through it though, I was missing DH and feeling devastated and would have done anything for him to come home. My behavior was just to try and make myself feel better and never once in my marriage did I ever even think about cheating or flirting. My DH was my world. He really was.

At Christmas, I phoned DH and begged him to please meet up and talk about it and he finally agreed. When we saw each other he crumbled and said right away that he still loved me and wanted to be with me but that my behavior in the past year had made him feel it was hopeless for us to get back what we had. We talked about it properly and I agreed to make the changes he wanted.

Since then he's called or seen me every day, we've spent lots of time together away from DCs and we are dating and feel "in love" again like we did at first. Things have been going very good with us. Lots of honest talks, great progress in counselling, and he has been treating me really well and apologising for leaving and saying he was "a fool" Yesterday he sent presents and a card to me out of nowhere to thank me for trying again after his foolish behavior.

I came clean with him about the match.com dates and told him I slept with someone else. I didn't tell him about the old boyfriend because I thought he would be too upset. This is the first time I have ever been less than truthful with my DH. He told me he had also joined dating sites but that he had given up on it because the women were all fake.

The thing is, I was at his house last night and he was in the shower and I was using his computer and please don't ask me why but I decided to check his internet history.

I found out that in the first months of our separation he was very VERY active on adults style dating websites. Not match.com - the sick, sex kind. He was exchanging emails with women all over the country and was even googling how to get to their address and looking at flights to go and see them and was even looking up local escorts. He was also Googling how to meet women, buying sprays to attracts women and reading articles on how to get women into bed.

This is all a lot worse than he had made it out to be and it seemed like this was all he was doing all night every night for months. It went on all night every night!

We share bank accounts so I am pretty sure he never met up with any of these women but am not 100% sure, and also not sure he did not see an escort. He was viewing their profiles.

I confronted him last night and he begged me to forgive him. He told me he had done it because he was very lonely, sad, missing me and it meant nothing. He said that after we met up at Christmas that he disconnected all the accounts and had not visited any sex sites since then (I checked the history and this seemed to be true).

The thing is thought that because the suspicion was in my mind, I kept on digging today. I think I found his profile on a very dirty website and recognise him from location and the photos (which is just of his penis but he has a distinctive one) and it said he had been active TODAY so if it IS HIM then he is on this account at work because I am still at his house. I also found his profile on another sex site and the content of it made me almost vomit "I am looking for a dirty little slut to f**k" etc.

DH and I were always very sexual, so this aspect doesn't surprise me but the fact that he left me and was actively looking for sex / dates and women instead of trying to work on our marriage for so long makes me feel sick.

I know I had sex with an old BF, but that sort of happened when we were out one night and it wasn't me who instigated. Also, on my match.com dates all I did was cry to the poor bloke about how much I loved and missed DH and I was only on it for two weeks or something.

Is this a case of "we both did wrong and put the past behind you" or is it a case of my DH perhaps being a lying, cheating bastard? I am not sure if this might just be how men react to heartbreak or whether he is just a complete bastard.

Should I send him fake messages to his profiles to check on him?

Should I confront him and make him open his personal email and let me read it, or is this going too far?

I really, really love my husband and want our marriage to work but we have never been through a trust issue before and I don't know what to do.

Before you ask, he did not leave me because of an OW so no one else was involved.

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brdgrl · 03/03/2014 19:58

All things being equal, what I did was worse.

No. No. NO. You haven't done anything wrong, whatsoever. He left the marriage. Should you have remained faithful to a man who had already walked out on the marriage? Ridiculous. (Unless you are beating yourself up for violating your personal religious beliefs in some way, in which case any wrong-doing is between yourself and your god, but I gather that is not your issue here.)

On the other hand, he walked out, he refused to discuss it, he put you through the fucking wringer and then he came back making DEMANDS that YOU change...
He did wrong. You didn't.

AnyFucker · 03/03/2014 20:01

neil are you a complete spanner too ?

ImperialBlether · 03/03/2014 20:24

Just wondering, when he was off sick with misery after he dumped you, did he do anything extra to help out with the children?

neiljames77 · 03/03/2014 20:29

AnyFucker - you've thought so since day 1 but I'm not losing any sleep over it.

AnyFucker · 03/03/2014 20:37

have a spray of the ole sex pheromones, I might change my mind Wink

AnyFucker · 03/03/2014 20:37

eau de pig piss

< cackle >

Hix · 03/03/2014 20:42

In theory they should work as I am sure that the added confidence of believing that you are irresistible Grin could only improve your success rate.

Who would actually use one though?

neiljames77 · 03/03/2014 20:42

But only a sow would be attracted to tha.........oh......I see.

AnyFucker · 03/03/2014 21:04

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AnyFucker · 03/03/2014 21:06

That post took so long to go up. I think the easy Rider spray broke MN Grin

neiljames77 · 03/03/2014 21:25

I could do with boosting my popularity. I wonder if 20ml would be enough?
Where did you find the ad btw?

JeanSeberg · 03/03/2014 21:31

A fool and his money are soon parted.

AnyFucker · 03/03/2014 21:33

Indeed.

KatieScarlett2833 · 03/03/2014 21:35

Neil, you are a card Smile

JeanSeberg · 04/03/2014 06:06

That's certainly one word for him.

neiljames77 · 04/03/2014 08:49

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JeanSeberg · 04/03/2014 09:06

Damn you got me sussed, Neil.

pleasehelpshaking · 04/03/2014 10:21

Thanks all for your comments. The sex spray thing is incredibly embarrassing so you can see why this was hard to talk to RL friends about.

I've confirmed the mystery penis person online active yesterday definitely isn't him. Whoever that person is exchanged messages with me last night while DH was asleep. Sneaky, I know, but I had to find out. Therefore I am certain he has stopped all activity with online flirting and sex chat since deciding to give our marriage a chance.

I think something is coming across wrong through a lot of the posts here which is the idea that he left me for wanting to find sex with other women or wanting to enjoy the single life. I think this is very far from the truth because he is actually really scared of being alone and is very shy and bad with women. If anything he was probably worried he'd not find someone else.

I am more worried that he wants me back for missing the sex and affection rather than actually wanting me because he genuinely loves me. I don't know how to work out which is which because when he left it made me feel like he didn't really love me.

I do feel a lot better today about this stuff. I know some of you find it gross, but the sites and stuff he has done I knew he did before we met and we always had a giggle about it. I do think it's just a case of putting behind us whatever happened during the separation or dealing with it in counselling to get some real and honest answers. After sleeping on it for a night I did realise this stuff is really not as relevant to me as the speed with which he left and gave up on me.

Maybe like a lot of people have said this is the real issue and why I am looking for reasons not to trust him. I trusted him to be committed to our marriage and he ran out and this abandonment is a big betrayal in a way. I am struggling with trust.

He says I was hard to talk to and that I talk over him and don't listen and I think this might be true but at the same time I don't think he ever made it clear he was serious about stuff because I was really surprised when he left and thought he was happy. I am not sure if that is me not listening or him not communicating clearly enough.

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Jan45 · 04/03/2014 10:27

OP, yes I think so too, the trust was broken when he walked out without a backward glance. I do however find it hard to believe that he left for no reason other than he felt he couldn't talk to you, don't be naïve, I'm sure there was at least a bit of looking to see what his chances were of getting sexual with women, the evidence is pretty much there for you.

Even so, you are willing to put that behind you so good, the problem is, as I think you believe yourself, what happens when there's another blip in the marriage, will he just fuck off again and do whatever, it's no wonder you feel insecure.

FairPhyllis · 04/03/2014 10:36

I think you have to ask yourself what would happen if the chips were really down - i.e. if some seriously life-altering set of circumstances came along that required you two to be a team, like you or one of the children being seriously, long-termly ill. If this is a guy who walks out because you're not giving him enough attention because you are working in the evening, what would he do if you didn't have the energy or ability to dance attendance on him every second, or if you were spending all your time caring for a desperately ill child?

I think your H sounds like an incredibly immature person who pouts and walks out if he doesn't get your constant attention. I think that if a circumstance like that came up, on the basis of his past behaviour, you couldn't trust him to stay.

pleasehelpshaking · 04/03/2014 10:40

Thanks all for your comments and you made me laugh a bit reading them this morning. The sex spray thing is incredibly embarrassing so you can see why this was hard to talk to RL friends about.

I've confirmed the mystery penis person online active yesterday definitely isn't him. Whoever that person is exchanged messages with me last night while DH was asleep. Sneaky, I know, but I had to find out. Therefore I am certain he has stopped all activity with online flirting and sex chat since deciding to give our marriage a chance.

I think something is coming across wrong through a lot of the posts here which is the idea that he left me for wanting to find sex with other women or wanting to enjoy the single life. I think this is very far from the truth because he is actually really scared of being alone and is very shy and bad with women. If anything he was probably worried he'd not find someone else.

I am more worried that he wants me back for missing the sex and affection rather than actually wanting me because he genuinely loves me. Abandonment is a big betrayal in a way.

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pleasehelpshaking · 04/03/2014 10:41

oops double half post pc crashed

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neiljames77 · 04/03/2014 10:51

I'm glad it looks like you're sorting things out pleasehelpshaking.
Like I said previously, nobody knows the dynamics of your relationship better than you do. Perhaps you need to sit him down and convince him to open up a bit more if he has any issues on his mind rather than just walking away from things.

pleasehelpshaking · 04/03/2014 11:06

FP and Jan yes those are great points. I know I have come across as a pushover in this thread but in RL I have expressed a lot of anger myself for what happened and I will make sure I feel like I can trust him before he comes home full time. I would not want the DCs to ever go through this again.

Someone said earlier that he wasn't working on the marriage or doing anything to put it back together and that's also not true. I did beg him to come back, yes, but once he agreed to do it he has bent over backwards really to work on things and to try and romance me which is why I felt so positive. Since all this happened we have had some of the best talks and the most intimacy we ever had before.

I know it sounds like he was looking for someone else when he left but I don't think I ever believed that. He's scared of picking up women, hence the articles and sex spray.

His story is that he felt our marriage was dying, that I was stopping loving him. He said that I was working late several nights a week, that he thought I was ignoring his attempts to fix it, that I was constantly cancelling date nights, that I was refusing to leave DCs with family so we could have a weekend alone away occasionally, that I had stopped coming to his works nights out etc. and he took all this to mean I'd lost interest in him or that I was seeing someone else at work hence the late nights. In his mind he had been down this road before. He thought he was trying to be what I wanted him to be to attract me back, but I interpreted this as him being fine with the way things were.

Everything he has said is actually true.

The thing is though that what he interpreted as my feelings could not have been further from the truth. I was in love as I had always been and was just working on a project that took up all hours for a while and felt really worn out and overstretched. I always seemed to be forgetting the kids PE kits or the dry cleaning and I was just tired and stressed. I've never looked at another man. Not even in fantasy. My DH has always been my only fantasy and he still is.

He was very submissive to me in daily life, not much of one to argue or make a fuss and I think this stopped him being as direct as he should have been when he communicated with me. He has gotten very angry with me in counselling...it's pouring out of him. At the time he left he was very angry with me and stayed angry with me for months to the point where he didn't want to be married to me. I think it was a drip drip effect and then an explosion.

I do think he should have talked to me properly before skipping straight to divorce though! I wasn't a bad wife or anything and he's not a whiny child I think we just came across our first rough patch and he handled it about as badly as he could have.

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pleasehelpshaking · 04/03/2014 11:09

Thanks neiljames77.

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