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I am not sure whether to trust him? Please help. Long Post

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pleasehelpshaking · 03/03/2014 12:25

Hi. NC for this. I am too ashamed to speak to RL friends about this.

DH and I are have been separated for the past 8 months. No one cheated during the marriage but he wanted the separation because he said I had changed and withdrawn from him in the previous year and wasn't the woman he fell in love with, which was true. That said, I was very shocked that he walked our rather than trying to work on it or talk to me about it. It felt at the time like he threw our (very good) marriage away without a second thought. We have 3 young DCs that love their Dad so much which made it even worse.

He was very stubborn and refused to talk to me or work on it, even insisted on NC when he collected the kids. I was devastated. I spent months crying, lost a lot of weight and did not know what to do. He said he wanted a divorce and was adamant on this.

I was in a mess, and in my effort to cheer myself up I joined match.com and went on three dates in a week and had drunken sex with one of them. Not proud of it, but I felt really low and rejected. I then had sex with an old boyfriend a few months later during a very low time. All through it though, I was missing DH and feeling devastated and would have done anything for him to come home. My behavior was just to try and make myself feel better and never once in my marriage did I ever even think about cheating or flirting. My DH was my world. He really was.

At Christmas, I phoned DH and begged him to please meet up and talk about it and he finally agreed. When we saw each other he crumbled and said right away that he still loved me and wanted to be with me but that my behavior in the past year had made him feel it was hopeless for us to get back what we had. We talked about it properly and I agreed to make the changes he wanted.

Since then he's called or seen me every day, we've spent lots of time together away from DCs and we are dating and feel "in love" again like we did at first. Things have been going very good with us. Lots of honest talks, great progress in counselling, and he has been treating me really well and apologising for leaving and saying he was "a fool" Yesterday he sent presents and a card to me out of nowhere to thank me for trying again after his foolish behavior.

I came clean with him about the match.com dates and told him I slept with someone else. I didn't tell him about the old boyfriend because I thought he would be too upset. This is the first time I have ever been less than truthful with my DH. He told me he had also joined dating sites but that he had given up on it because the women were all fake.

The thing is, I was at his house last night and he was in the shower and I was using his computer and please don't ask me why but I decided to check his internet history.

I found out that in the first months of our separation he was very VERY active on adults style dating websites. Not match.com - the sick, sex kind. He was exchanging emails with women all over the country and was even googling how to get to their address and looking at flights to go and see them and was even looking up local escorts. He was also Googling how to meet women, buying sprays to attracts women and reading articles on how to get women into bed.

This is all a lot worse than he had made it out to be and it seemed like this was all he was doing all night every night for months. It went on all night every night!

We share bank accounts so I am pretty sure he never met up with any of these women but am not 100% sure, and also not sure he did not see an escort. He was viewing their profiles.

I confronted him last night and he begged me to forgive him. He told me he had done it because he was very lonely, sad, missing me and it meant nothing. He said that after we met up at Christmas that he disconnected all the accounts and had not visited any sex sites since then (I checked the history and this seemed to be true).

The thing is thought that because the suspicion was in my mind, I kept on digging today. I think I found his profile on a very dirty website and recognise him from location and the photos (which is just of his penis but he has a distinctive one) and it said he had been active TODAY so if it IS HIM then he is on this account at work because I am still at his house. I also found his profile on another sex site and the content of it made me almost vomit "I am looking for a dirty little slut to f**k" etc.

DH and I were always very sexual, so this aspect doesn't surprise me but the fact that he left me and was actively looking for sex / dates and women instead of trying to work on our marriage for so long makes me feel sick.

I know I had sex with an old BF, but that sort of happened when we were out one night and it wasn't me who instigated. Also, on my match.com dates all I did was cry to the poor bloke about how much I loved and missed DH and I was only on it for two weeks or something.

Is this a case of "we both did wrong and put the past behind you" or is it a case of my DH perhaps being a lying, cheating bastard? I am not sure if this might just be how men react to heartbreak or whether he is just a complete bastard.

Should I send him fake messages to his profiles to check on him?

Should I confront him and make him open his personal email and let me read it, or is this going too far?

I really, really love my husband and want our marriage to work but we have never been through a trust issue before and I don't know what to do.

Before you ask, he did not leave me because of an OW so no one else was involved.

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expatinscotland · 03/03/2014 15:32

I hooked up loads, Danger, but not when I'd pledged a monogamous relationship with someone and had 3 kids with them and just dumped without talking.

JeanSeberg · 03/03/2014 15:38

Is there no chance he was just looking at these sites out of curiosity but had no intention of acting on any of it. People look at things on the net without wanting to actively participate.

So that would make it alright then? (Surely no-one would believe that anyway.)

neiljames77 · 03/03/2014 15:40

Who has he hooked up with?

FairPhyllis · 03/03/2014 15:46

Ahhh, you stopped dancing attendance on him. That's not you creating a problem in the marriage. That's just life happening and him being too immature to cope with not being the centre of your universe. He left you because you had to work in the evenings and didn't want sex every single time he wanted it? Seriously?

He's said it was 'foolish behaviour' because he knows you've been hurt by this and it's the only way to reel you in again. And he probably does love you - but at the same time he's not prepared to give up on what he feels entitled to - a free-for-all sex life for him and you to perform domestic duties for him.

I really, really hope that your way of changing to please him has not involved you giving up a good job.

pleasehelpshaking · 03/03/2014 15:47

I really need help getting my head around all this. He is very kinky, always has been and we were often kinky together. We browsed websites but never did much about it except fantasy. His behavior is not unusual for him l in terms of the dirty content it's more that he seems to have been actively looking to have online sex with other women at a time when he should have been upset about us splitting up.

I don't think he actually hooked up with these women but I do think given the opportunity he would definitely have done it.

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MatryoshkaDoll · 03/03/2014 16:02

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blowsygirl · 03/03/2014 16:04

I don't have any advice about your DH but I can say with absolute certainty that if you are registered on one of those really awful sex sites, it will always show you as 'on-line now' or 'active' even if you have not logged in for months.

DangerMoose · 03/03/2014 16:14

But weren't you also actively looking for sex/intimacy? What is it that's actually bothering you? Is it the nature of the websites?

Maybe he was terribly upset and this was his way of coping with it. You say you worked every evening - perhaps he was lonely and couldn't see a way forward; asking somebody to change their career is not easy, for example.

There could be a myriad of reasons for his behaviour. It is not necessarily sinister.

Have you considered couples counselling of some sort? It sounds like you really need to talk to him about all this and clear the air.

pleasehelpshaking · 03/03/2014 16:22

DangerMoose being honest it would have bothered me more if he had been looking for a relationship rather than just sex. I can see the sex stuff disgusts many users but for me if he was single I'd not find it a problem.

I just find it a very strange way to grieve. I know he was terribly upset. His friends and family told me, I know he took time off work but being upset might just mean feeling upset that you'd lost your guaranteed shag. Being upset can be a selfish thing iykwim.

I am not sure how to tell if he is genuinely committed to me or not now. His story is that once he saw me at Christmas he never went back to any of those sites and the internet history does confirm this unless that funny profile I found today is actually him. He says he felt no confidence because I rejected him in the marriage and he was trying to feel something or get some attention.

We are in counselling, I just don't know whether I want to bother now because he wasn't truthful with me on this so why should I trust anything else he says. I was pretty truthful (okay, one bit was omitted) with him and made a hard admission of what I had done and it would have been an opportunity for the same from him.

He was right, I was causing problems in the marriage in a terms of neglecting him not just sexually but in terms of my time and emotional attention and I was putting job, kids and everything before him. My problem was always that he walked out instead of talking.

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Jan45 · 03/03/2014 16:32

OP, that is it in a nutshell, ok you may have overlooked him (he's a big boy tho') and concentrated on your new job, family, other stuff. It doesn't equal your husband walking out without so much as giving you a chance to put things right. I'm sorry but I truly believe he thought the grass was greener (look at his so called best mate) and thought his life would be more exciting away from the family home. You have to be pretty sure of what you don't want to walk away from a wife and 3 kids, he did that, don't ever forget that, it tells you a lot about him and his commitment.

You may well be able to forget the sordid websites etc, forgetting how he walked out so easily, not so easy is it.

Viviennemary · 03/03/2014 16:34

I think you both need to concentrate on something other than sex. But I don't think there is a lot of chance of you both sorting this out. Sorry.

MatryoshkaDoll · 03/03/2014 16:35

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DangerMoose · 03/03/2014 16:36

Is it possible (and I say this without any blame, just theorising) that his self-esteem - including sexually - had taken a bit of a knock from feeling rejected by the lack of sex you were having? Could that be why he was googling things like 'How to get a woman into bed' and buying sex potions or whatever? Is he quite insecure generally? It sounds like something a teenage boy might do.

How would you feel if you took all of this sex site stuff out if the equation? It never happened. Would you trust him then?

badbaldingballerina123 · 03/03/2014 16:37

Sorry Op , not many men leave a marriage if there's no one else involved.

DangerMoose · 03/03/2014 16:39

Do you have any evidence to back up that sweeping statement, ballerina?

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Jan45 · 03/03/2014 16:48

Maybe the so called friend of the OPs OH was bragging about all the women he seduced and OH wanted to try it himself, what exactly did he do to mend his marriage, nothing by the sounds of it. Almost like he knew he could come back to the OP if things didn't go according to plan.

I also am sceptical of any man who walks out on a woman and 3 kids for what appears to be, teenage boy fantasy stuff.

badbaldingballerina123 · 03/03/2014 16:50

Danger , what are you on about 're evidence ?

pleasehelpshaking · 03/03/2014 16:50

Okay, I will agree with everyone up here that he behaved incredibly badly by walking out and I have wrestled with that a lot which I think is why I checked his internet history. I am a regular reader here and see that there is often an OW when men walk out and I have been spying a bit ever since this happened looking for the obvious.

DangerMouse what you said in the post above is almost exactly what came out in counselling and yes he is very insecure generally (his two previous partners long term both cheated on him) and he says he thought I was on the road to do the same. I did actually believe him in counselling and we seemed to have some earnest breakthroughs where he was more open about his insecurities than he has ever been before.

If it were not for this sex site stuff, yes, I would definitely be giving things a try because the counselling is uncovering the reasons why he left and they seemed (while misguided) not a sign of anything other than not knowing what else to do.

He isn't the best communicator and he said he had tried to talk to me. I don't think he tried hard enough and he sees that he didn't but being completely honest I can sometimes not be the best listener and he said he felt that if he pushed me I would leave him. Again, insecurity.

The upshot of the past two months in counselling and giving things a go is that our marriage (which I thought was perfect) did have some issues where he didn't feel able to communicate with me about his feelings and he is committed to doing this now.

Yes, I was hurt and really angry, especially for the pain DCs have been through and I think he acted like a pathetic child but at the same time we do love each other and we have a family and in a funny way the counselling was showing me the potential to actually grow from all of this and actually have a better and stronger marriage.

The sex stuff though makes me feel like I don't trust him, don;t believe what he says and if you are working on reconciliation then trust is something that you just need to have.

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AnyFucker · 03/03/2014 17:02

oh dear

his new life as a hot stud fucking dirty little sluts didn't quite turn out for him as he wanted, so he is back sniffing around the safe bet

how demoralising for you

he sounds like a complete tool

"sprays" to attract women ?

you have any respect at all for this dickhead ?

wannaBe · 03/03/2014 17:18

" that he seems to have been actively looking to have online sex with other women at a time when he should have been upset about us splitting up." while you were on match.com and shagging your ex you mean? The ex you haven't told him about

And I'm sorry but I fail to see how you can identify someone from a picture of their cock!

Tbh op I think you are being a bit disingenuous. You registered on a dating site, went on several dates, slept with one of them, then slept with an ex, and now you're unhappy with the fact your h went on sites which you wouldn't actually disapprove of normally but you feel he should have been pining for you while you were running around sleeping with your ex and whoever else match.com threw up?

either you want to make your relationship work in which case you need to see the counselling through and put all this stuff behind you (with help) or you need to cut loose and move on. But don't make these sites the excuse. You weren't together, he had the right to go on whatever sites he wanted as did you (and you clearly did), you can't have one rule for him and one for yourself...

JoinYourPlayfellows · 03/03/2014 17:23

I am not sure if this might just be how men react to heartbreak

Heartbreak?

Are you fucking kidding me?

He WALKED OUT on your marriage without even trying.

AND he tried to blame it 100% on your inadequacy, which was very cruel.

That was a choice he freely made, because that was what he wanted to do.

Now you've found out the real reason he wanted to do that - he wanted to go shagging about.

THAT'S WHY HE LEFT.

He didn't leave because he was sad and thought you didn't love him.

If that had been the case he wouldn't have gone NC, he would have listened when you said you were devastated, he wouldn't have done everything to distance himself from you.

The only reason he's back is because his new life of fucking prostitutes and shagging around wasn't as much fun as he had imagined, and because when he finally saw you again after his NC, and he saw "the woman he married" he had second thoughts.

This is a cruel man who treated you APPALLINGLY.

No, of course you can't trust him. Not just because he is a liar (and he is, and he always will be, by the looks of it) but because he walked out on your marriage without a backward glance or even the tiniest consideration for how you were feeling.

Basically, he's a prick. One day you will look back on this and thank him for the massive favour he did you.

Oh, and stop feeling guilty for having sex with other people after your husband dumped you. You were single. What you did with your ex is none of his fucking business.

Jan45 · 03/03/2014 17:24

The OP doesn't have a problem with the sites per se, it's the fact he walked out on her and his 3 kids without even talking.

expatinscotland · 03/03/2014 17:26

Lol at sprays to attract women. Like he's a tomcat.