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Should i be angry at this?

81 replies

cloud23 · 20/02/2014 23:42

Hi, i need your advice and thoughts here. My OH and i live apart. We have a DS. When OH comes to see us he behaves like we are in a normal relationship, physical and emotional. Sends texts, rings, i love you etc. He has been withdrawn with us both for a couple of weeks, tonight i find a post on facebook and he has sent OW flowers. He doesnt pay a penny towards DS and never has. What do i do now???

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Offred · 21/02/2014 00:11

Yes, they definitely will help even though he never hit you. They are fab. Talk it through with them.

You shouldn't be living in such fear of him.

cloud23 · 21/02/2014 00:12

Offred, what steps do i need to take? I was going to contact HV and tell her DS is scared of him. What else do i need to do?
DS is three.

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Offred · 21/02/2014 00:14

Speak to anyone you can. HV is a good plan, speak to women's aid and get a support worker from your local org. You can get children's workers too.

Women's aid will give you more and better advice specific to your situation.

Offred · 21/02/2014 00:14

Don't speak to him though.

eeetheygrowupsofast · 21/02/2014 00:15

I'm going to bed now cloud, but why wouldn't people be kind and helpful to you, my love? Most people are kind and helpful you know. You deserve this basic courtesy and humanity from people in real life. Hope you are on the road to the New You in your New Life with your gorgeous son. x

Offred · 21/02/2014 00:16

Their helpline is 24 hours so you could give them a ring right now if you want?

cloud23 · 21/02/2014 00:16

Offred - thank you. I will ring them tomorrow.
He is due tomorrow afternoon, maybe so he says.
Thank you again, you have been really helped and im grateful.

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Offred · 21/02/2014 00:17

I too need to sleep but really, women's aid are completely appropriate in your situation. They will really help you and ds.

Cabrinha · 21/02/2014 00:18

No cloud you know him. I'm only repeating back what you've told us. You do know what he's like.
I think you'll find he's not that bothered about seeing his son if it's not to use as a threat to you, or he's not getting sex from you when he comes round. Fucksake, he even wanted you to pay his petrol!
He is scaring you into being with him. That's just as abusive as physically hitting you. Women's Aid will understand.

cloud23 · 21/02/2014 00:21

Nearly in tears for your kindness. After this long with him i dont know what to do when people are kind. He tells such lies about me, partly due to the amount he drank. His charisma wins people round and i then look like a fool trying to defend myself. Sleep well and sweet dreams

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Offred · 21/02/2014 00:21

If you say to women's aid what you've said on here about ds and his feelings and ask for a children's worker they should be able to give you that as well that should help ds with his feelings and also if it ends up on court there will be evidence of his feelings about his dad from someone other than you.

They'll also advise you about a solicitor but ncdv can do some court orders quickly for you. Not sure which ones.

Offred · 21/02/2014 00:23

Women's aid have seen it all before. It is very disorientating coming out of an abusive relationship. I was completely flummoxed at how they could see through my ex completely and predict his every move.

cloud23 · 21/02/2014 00:25

Offred you give me hope

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cloud23 · 21/02/2014 00:27

I will make ring tomorrow. Thank you again. Off to try and sleep ready for the hell that is him tomorrow.

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Offred · 21/02/2014 00:29

There is hope, unfortunately many many women have been where you are before. Fortunately many many women have come out of the other side stronger and free from abuse. Let us know how it goes tomorrow with speaking to women's aid and seeing him. Definitely speak to them before he comes.

Offred · 21/02/2014 21:16

How are you?

cloud23 · 21/02/2014 21:46

Hi, im doing better than earlier today thank you. Took your advice, have made HV appointment and i will talk to DS school as well next week. Am intending to ring womens aid when i feel braver, right now im still on edge.

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Offred · 21/02/2014 21:51

Very good, well done.

It isn't unusual to find it hard to call WA. It might take a while thinking and some time typing the number but not calling, some times of calling but hanging up but that is all progress.

You've taken some positive action by making an appointment with the HV!

How was it seeing him today? Did he come?

Talking to school is good, I had not thought of that but they may have some support available through the school nurse if they have one.

cloud23 · 21/02/2014 21:58

Its little steps isnt it? They feel huge though. Im hoping the school can help, they have been great so far with DS.
He was late today. I lost my nerve an hour before and wanted to run but had to stay. Didnt speak to him much, the odd oh, mm and head nods. Started to smile a lot when i focused on this thread in my head, almost laughing with hope and freedom. No doubt this will mean him telling his friends and family i need to be sectioned. what do i care now???
you have come through this too? how bad was it for you if its ok to ask?

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Offred · 21/02/2014 22:23

I'm glad the thread is giving you hope. It is good you are keeping your head down with him too and important you keep doing this until you do manage to speak to women's aid.

With mine he left after he assaulted me while I had DS in my arms (pushed me over on the floor) and took DS during an argument where he wanted me to pay more despite him having all the money. The police asked him to leave initially for 24 hours but he never came back.

A friend suggested I go to a local children's centre to try and break the isolation he had forced on me. They recognised the abuse and referred me to Women's Aid locally and for counselling at the centre.

He moved in with the most recent OW. He was ashamed and avoided me. Talked shit about me. I was afraid and afraid to go anywhere other than the children's centre and my mum's and would get her to pick me up in the car rather than go out because all the people he talked shit about me to would harass me in the street.

Women's aid advised me to contact the police and they warned him for harassment (friends of his bothering me counted as him harassing me). The police warned him. He tried using the police to harass me unsuccessfully for a while. Women's aid changed my locks for free, my landlord took him off the joint tenancy and told me he thought he was a bastard all along.

My parents didn't support me and instead were meeting with him and supporting him.

He eventually took me to court claiming I was preventing contact but really he was just ashamed and had backed himself into a corner by telling everyone I was stopping him seeing DS. They told him to take me to court and he had to in order to not look like a liar.

I was terrified because I knew how manipulative he was and was convinced everyone else would believe him, as most people did, even my parents. Women's aid reassured me and supported me, said they'd seen this a lot and I should trust the court to see through him and advised me about how to effectively make my case.

The court date was for DD's birth date so I had to fight to have that rearranged and fight to be allowed to breastfeed her in court.

My solicitor was great. Mediation was refused because I was receiving women's aid support and was very afraid of him at the time. They also put provisions in at the court so we would not have to be in the same room for most of the case.

He lied and said dd wasn't his and he didn't want to see her. I risked contempt of court by insisting he couldn't take ds without dd. He lied and said I'd forced him to put his name on her birth certificate even though she wasn't his. The court made an exception and applied for a DNA test even though he wasn't asking for contact with her. Sh was proved his and he conceded to having her added to the case.

Contact was initially in a contact centre because I had concerns about the DC safety (although he never threatened to abduct them, he was sexually abusive, took drugs, had a drink problem and was being investigated for sexual offences - came to nothing in the end).

The whole thing took around 3 years from when he left with the court making contact arrangements to suit him which he just didn't bother with (didn't turn up) and then the magistrate made his judgement saying I had never prevented contact and he should never have brought the case, that he should apologise for "saying the worst things you could ever say about a person nevermind the mother of your own child"

After that for a few years he was very flakey with contact, we did some mediation because I wasn't afraid anymore and the mediator supported me over him when he was blantantly lying. He didn't pay any child support for years.

He was eventually diagnosed with borderline personality disorder and received treatment. Got stable work, got a regular gf who he has now married (but is abusing I'm sure). I went to CSA and he messed them around and eventually had a deduction taken from his pay.

Since that, although he is not involved with DC lives in any real way (doesn't come to school for any reason, doesn't know their teachers or friends) and only see them for a few hours on a sunday, he has been reliable and stable with contact and child support.

It has got a lot better for me. I can't express how amazing women's aid were for me - life changing! It has taken a long time for me to heal but as well as being sad and afraid when he left I was also drunk on freedom.

I think your guy is worse and more dangerous though tbh. I know ther is hope for you as I've seen many other women in worse situations than me come through it when I did group therapy with WA but I think it really emphasises how important WA's support is.

Sorry for the essay!

Offred · 21/02/2014 22:31

I got pg with dd after he raped me shortly before christmas when I had found out about latest OW, kicked him out but stupidly allowed him back for ds' first christmas but then refused to have sex with him which must have made him angry.

I genuinely thought all the stuff he did during the course of our relationship; big romantic gestures (teddies/flowers sent to my work) but later cutting them up and telling me I must have done it because he didn't, coercing me into sex I didn't want, not allowing me to speak to men, sleeping with my female friends, not allowing me to have any money, cheating on me all the time, never spending any time with DS, hurting himself, forcing me into an abortion, telling lies about me to people, stealing things and blaming me, isolating me from my family, disappearing for days, stealing from my friends, stealing my rent payments and getting us kicked out, running up council tax debts and expecting me to pay etc were not bad at the time. Readjusting to normal life was difficult, I'm probably not completely ther yet really.

Offred · 21/02/2014 22:32

oh and stupidly he spent most of the relationship jobless or leaving jobs after a few weeks and living off me

Offred · 21/02/2014 22:33

Little steps they are but all steps to freedom and yes, they are huge to you, understandably.

cloud23 · 21/02/2014 22:37

im so so sorry for all you had to go through. You are amazing. And so strong to be helping others too.
you have been through so much. utterly shocked at your exp.
A lot of what you have said sounds familiar. How do you even deal with facing people when you know he has told them all a bunch of lies about you? You have so much more courage than me. I hide, even stating this thread terrified me.
I recognise the drunk on freedom, i think i felt it today. When he tried to touch me i took a step back and couldnt stop the smile.
Did your ex go from using the children to now almost disengaged?

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cloud23 · 21/02/2014 22:42

How did you cope while you were with him?
You are stronger than i could ever hope to be.

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