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"But We Took You To Stately Homes!" - Survivors of Dysfunctional Families

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DontstepontheMomeRaths · 11/02/2014 17:30

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OP posts:
nearlyreadyforstatelyhomes · 11/03/2014 14:52

Thanks Atilla. I always find your posts refreshingly harsh Grin.

The shoes. Yes. So they live at DM's house and DD apparently "loves them so much she has to put them on as soon as she sees them". I just smile and nod.

I can't and don't want to go NC. Arms length is managable for the time-being. It works like this and I feel it's the best it'll be. I don't doubt there will be a 'next time' and with each episode I will take a step back even further, and maybe then counselling will be right.

Not giving her a MD card would be AWFUL!!! As I said, on the face of it, things are normal at the moment so it would be a really random and harsh point to do that. She might hurt me but I'm not prepared to hurt her unecessarily like that. Two wrongs don't make a right!

I'm probably coming across as weak and passive but at the moment I feel relatively in control (aside from the niggle of MD coming up) - I've accepted what she's like, I've accepted how that makes me feel and I work around it.

I can't bring myself to get those books!! Time is a fairly precious commodity at the moment and trawling through counsellors is being pushed to the bottom of the pile, especially as I'm not sure I'm ready for it.

MN is good therapy when I need it Smile, I could probably list a few minor things that she's said or done over the past couple of weeks and months but to do so feels ridiculously petty and focusing on the negative. I need to be positive and push those to one side and rise above it. Plus in a twisted way I'd feel like I'd be using you lot for my own narcissistic supply by telling me how crap it was of her to say those things.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/03/2014 15:26

hi nearlyready

How nice of you to say so re my posts :)

Hopefully your DD will soon grow out of the dreaded shoes that were bought for her. But what your mother did here was bad, really bad.

She has continued to disregard any boundary you care to set and as for being in relative control; well that is but a temporary state.
You only feel like that probably as well only when its relatively calm like now; this is about the best it gets with a narcissist. You can accept that she is the way she is (you certainly did not make her this way) but it does not follow that you have to put up with it. You would not tolerate any of this from a friend for instance, your mother is truly no different (although she has trained you well to serve her).

Except for odd spells of heady euphoria unrelated to anything you can see, their affective range is mediocre-fake-normal to hell-on-Earth. They will sometimes lie low and be quiet, actually passive and dependent -- this is as good as it gets with narcissists. They are incapable of loving conduct towards anyone or anything, so they do not have the capacity for simple pleasure, beyond the satisfaction of bodily needs.

May I ask you why you cannot and do not want to go NC?. There are always reasons why and FOG is there too; perhaps putting them out there more may help you think some more about that too for future reference.

Absolutely not re using us as your own narcissistic supply; you are not the narcissistic one here - your mother is.

Keep well

nearlyreadyforstatelyhomes · 12/03/2014 10:11

I know the shoe thing was bad. And I'm hoping I will be better at setting boundaries next time (as I'm sure there will be one).

Why can't/won't I go NC? Hmmm. This along with the "Does your mum like you?" thread really got me thinking last night.

I think there are lots of reasons (in no particular order!):

  • It's all so very subtle that I wonder whether it's me, whether I'm being oversensitve, dramatic, mean, nasty, selfish. After all it's not obvious stuff and outwardly I think it makes me look like I'm being petty.
  • DH is on my side but I wonder if that's only because he only hears my side of the story. People (DH included sometimes!) have often said "you're so like your mum" so I think there's a lot of her in me and that maybe ultimately it's just a clash of personalities. Going NC feels too severe.
  • We live a 10 minute walk from each other. We often bump into each other!
  • I'm not sure going NC would make me feel any better actually.
  • She's cut ties with numerous people over the years and it baffles me. I don't want to repeat that behaviour.
  • If it needs to happen I want people to be clear on why - ie that it's her and not me and I can't confidently say that at the moment. Plus there hasn't been any recent incidents to make it a possibility. The last big flare up would've been the ideal time to withdraw more but I was so confused by the situation and hadn't stumbled across the wealth of info on the internet on it all at that point that I didn't know how to feel so effectively made up and carried on.
  • I feel sad for her. She had a shit time of it when she was a kid from her own narc mother. Whilst I know that's not my fault or responsibility to fix I don't want to hurt her more.
  • I guess it's easier to carry on as we are than to make a massive stand and go NC.

So yes, I guess I'm firmly encroached in FOG. But now that I understand it I find that helpful and it at least explains some of how I feel about DM.

What's more confusing is who I am and why. For example, I know I have a tendancy to procrastinate so I have recently found myself questioning whether that's because I never had specific guidance from DM because it was always about her rather than me, or is it simply just me? Do I think nice and gentle people are weak because I learnt that from her or is it because that's just me? Part of me wants to be blame the less attractive characteristics and traits on her so that I've got an excuse or a reason at least. Then maybe I'd understand more about why I don't always like myself. Or is that just normal - that everyone goes through speights of not liking themselves? And so it goes on and on and on.......... And yes, this is what I know counselling would help with. Just need to priorise it and find the strength time/money. Posting here really helps!

MozzchopsThirty · 12/03/2014 12:10

Hi, I'd like to join this thread, been signposted to it so many times for my narc mother and dealing with her.

Last night she overstepped too far. I presume she gave her new partner my number, I've never met or spoken to him. He text me saying I should ring her as she was tearful and in pain.
I replied saying that I didn't take orders from him.
This went on until I said 'go fuck yourself'. Which with hindsight was not the right thing to do I know but it was 11pm, I was tired and angry.
He then sent some really nasty texts saying I'm a poor excuse for a woman and I've 'picked on the wrong person this time'.

My mother has done this all her life, my stepfather was an enabler.
I'm recently divorced, have 3 dcs and a full time stressful job, I don't have the time or energy to give her all the attention she needs.
She is perfectly fit and healthy, she fell a few weeks ago but X-rays have showed nothing. I imagine she's managed to get her hair and nails done.

I'm so angry she gave this strange man my personal mobile.
I've txt her today to say I hope she's feeling better, that I'm very cross he contacted me and that I will contact her when I'm less stressed.

Any advice would be great, I'm struggling today

Hissy · 12/03/2014 12:40

nearlyready "loves them so much she has to put them on as soon as she sees them" also is Narc-speak for her being TOLD to put them on and made to wear them... just saying. Wink

Mozzchops - Welcome. You have done nothing wrong, and actually you have contacted her. she had no right to give your number out and he had no right to use the number to contact you. If she needs to speak to you, she has the details.

I suggest that you tell her and her boyf that you won't accept him contacting you again and that you see the 'picked on the wrong person this time' as a threat to you and your children and will report him to the police for malicious communications if he contacts you again.

That'll show him 'picked on the wrong person'

Stay strong love. i repeat. YOU DID NOTHING WRONG

nearlyreadyforstatelyhomes · 12/03/2014 13:10

hissy - yes, it was also code for I told you she'd love them, I was right to keep them, you have made a fuss of this issue. And I can very well imagine the whole show that was put on to make a big fuss about the bloody shoes so that DD thought they were something amazing. That's all reinforced by the additional comments of "I'm afraid she insisted on wearing them to the park so much to your horror she will have been seen out in public in them".

I can see through the bullshit, don't worry Grin. I think she thinks she's got one up on me and maybe to an extent she has but I feel like I'm winning when I just smile sweetly, nod and change the subject.

mozzchops - they both sound quite hideous, I don't blame you for being tired or angry, especially when you've got other more pressing issues to deal with. The ladies here are really good on the advice front, keep posting, it helps.

LookingThroughTheFog · 12/03/2014 14:06

Mozzchops, that is awful. Have you managed to block his number?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/03/2014 14:30

Mozzchops

Women like your narcissist mother always but always need a willing enabler to help them, she has found a willing enabler here in this bloke.

I would request the phone company to block all calls from his number if this has not already been done.

(If you happen to be on FB take yourself off it; its a good tool for narcissists to use).

MozzchopsThirty · 12/03/2014 14:33

Thank you so much for replying, I felt so guilty this morning but the girls in work have been very good.

I have blocked his number, but have had 2 calls from an unknown number today which I have ignored.
Dd is worried he will turn up at the house although this is unlikely as they live 3 hours away.

I feel like she has violated my privacy, I give my number to people I want to give it to. She wanted him to come to my house at Xmas and I was very clear that's our family haven and she was not to invite men there. She's only been seeing him 5 months.

I'm not sure I can ever forgive this. She's obviously been gearing him up for how awful I am, bad daughter, uncaring etc etc

MozzchopsThirty · 12/03/2014 14:40

Thank you so much for replying, I felt so guilty this morning but the girls in work have been very good.

I have blocked his number, but have had 2 calls from an unknown number today which I have ignored.
Dd is worried he will turn up at the house although this is unlikely as they live 3 hours away.

I feel like she has violated my privacy, I give my number to people I want to give it to. She wanted him to come to my house at Xmas and I was very clear that's our family haven and she was not to invite men there. She's only been seeing him 5 months.

I'm not sure I can ever forgive this. She's obviously been gearing him up for how awful I am, bad daughter, uncaring etc etc

MozzchopsThirty · 12/03/2014 14:43

Sorry posted twice

I think you've read some of my previous threads Attila.
I have blocked the number on my phone so he can't ring or txt.
I have no intention of contacting my mother again, however the wrath I will incur from not sending a suitable MD present will be astronomical!!!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/03/2014 14:45

Hi nearlyready

re your comments in quote marks
Why can't/won't I go NC? Hmmm. This along with the "Does your mum like you?" thread really got me thinking last night.

I think there are lots of reasons (in no particular order!):

"- It's all so very subtle that I wonder whether it's me, whether I'm being oversensitve, dramatic, mean, nasty, selfish. After all it's not obvious stuff and outwardly I think it makes me look like I'm being petty"

You were not petty re your DDs shoes. Toxic parents often accuse their victims of being too sensitive and such people often think this. It does not have to be obvious to be nasty.

"DH is on my side but I wonder if that's only because he only hears my side of the story. People (DH included sometimes!) have often said "you're so like your mum" so I think there's a lot of her in me and that maybe ultimately it's just a clash of personalities. Going NC feels too severe".

I am also on my DHs side because I have seen all too clearly what narc behaviour is like. No you are not a bit like your mother, not in terms of being narcissistic anyway. You are perhaps like your mother in some ways because she has trained you to be an extension of her. No its not too severe at all to go NC but its a realisation you will have to come to yourself and in your own time.

"- We live a 10 minute walk from each other. We often bump into each other!"

Is moving house an option?. Honestly the best thing here is to keep your distance both physical and emotional from the narcissist. If no contact is not viable what about low contact?.

  • I'm not sure going NC would make me feel any better actually.

As you have not done this you do not know for sure!.

"She's cut ties with numerous people over the years and it baffles me. I don't want to repeat that behaviour".

Why does it baffle you; she has cut ties with these people because they have not been her yes men and have done her bidding; she thinks that everyone else thinks the same as she does. Cutting her off is NOT a selfish thing to do at all, its to maintain your own emotional health and sanity and keeping that healthy. Toxic stuff like this goes down the generations; was I surprised to read that her own parents were the same?. Not a bit of it.

"- If it needs to happen I want people to be clear on why - ie that it's her and not me and I can't confidently say that at the moment. Plus there hasn't been any recent incidents to make it a possibility. The last big flare up would've been the ideal time to withdraw more but I was so confused by the situation and hadn't stumbled across the wealth of info on the internet on it all at that point that I didn't know how to feel so effectively made up and carried on".

You do not have to explain why to other people; most people with non narc parents would not understand it anyway. Its her and not you at fault here. You are not a narcissist unlike your mother; you have and remain within her grasp here because she really sees you only as an extension of her own self. There will in time be another flare up; she is buttering you up now to do something really nasty. Be very careful in all dealings with your mother.

" I feel sad for her. She had a shit time of it when she was a kid from her own narc mother. Whilst I know that's not my fault or responsibility to fix I don't want to hurt her more".

Do you think she feels sad for you or even sorry for you?. Not a chance. She feels she has and has never done anything wrong here.
She is incapable actually of feeling hurt and has no empathy at all. Toxic crop like this goes down the generations; her own childhood was abusive as was yours deep down and now this woman is doing similar behaviours to your own child. Narcissist parents are deplorable as both parents and grandparents and really mess their adult children up big time. They should really not have any access whatsoever to their grandchildren (and I think you would think me harsh on writing that).

" I guess it's easier to carry on as we are than to make a massive stand and go NC"

Easier yes, but not necessarily better for you particularly in the long run. You do not have to make a massive stand about going nc either. You could just end up going around in circles for many years to come with regards to your mother.

"So yes, I guess I'm firmly encroached in FOG. But now that I understand it I find that helpful and it at least explains some of how I feel about DM".

Yes re the FOG but you are making small but steady progress here and for that you deserve a lot of credit.

"What's more confusing is who I am and why. For example, I know I have a tendancy to procrastinate so I have recently found myself questioning whether that's because I never had specific guidance from DM because it was always about her rather than me, or is it simply just me? Do I think nice and gentle people are weak because I learnt that from her or is it because that's just me? Part of me wants to be blame the less attractive characteristics and traits on her so that I've got an excuse or a reason at least. Then maybe I'd understand more about why I don't always like myself. Or is that just normal - that everyone goes through speights of not liking themselves? And so it goes on and on and on.......... And yes, this is what I know counselling would help with. Just need to priorise it and find the strength time/money. Posting here really helps"!

The above is really typical behaviour of an adult child of a narcissist.

I would urge you to make time and seek counselling for yourself and read the links I posted earlier. After all, knowledge is power!.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/03/2014 14:48

Mozzchops

Well done for blocking the number. Narcissistic rage is indeed something to behold and she will likely blow her stack but you must stand firm here.

And forget about feeling guilty as well; guilt is truly a useless emotion when it comes to dealing with the emotionally unhealthy toxic people like your mother and her new enabler man.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/03/2014 14:54

Healing from such a traumatic childhood is absolutely a daunting task. Having your own emotional needs unmet for so long may make the notion of recovery seemingly impossible. It's not. Here are some guidelines for recovery for Adult Children of Narcissistic Parents:

Begin working through the grieving process - allow yourself to grieve the parent you never had.

Acknowledge that you've never learned how to properly deal with feelings, and begin to start working through these feelings.

Work toward loving that little child inside you in the ways your Narcissistic Parent never did.
Stop hoping that your Narcissistic Parent will change - he or she will not change.
Remind yourself every day that you need to take care of yourself - those needs for self-care are incredibly important.
Remember - you matter too. A lot.
You do not need to harm yourself or hate yourself. You're a great person, worthy of love and devotion.

Stop being afraid of your Narcissistic Parent - you are an adult, you survived hell, and you need to reclaim your life as your own. Start by erasing that fear.

Get rid of that feeling of not fitting in or belonging. It was put there by your Narcissistic Parent and it's got to go.

We are none of us alone - that means you, too!

Find and connect with other Adult Children of Narcissistic Parents.

Find a therapist who specializes in treating Adult Children of Narcissistic Parents.

You're probably still afraid of "getting into trouble" thanks to the way your Narcissistic Parent treated you. You're an adult now, and you don't answer to anyone but yourself.

Release some of that anger. Smash some plates. Scream. Hit a pillow. Anything to let the anger of being an Adult Child of Narcissistic Parent out.

Learn to be autonomous - start by making small decisions for yourself, and learn that you - yes YOU - are in charge of your own life.

You are more than worthy. No matter what your Narcissistic Parent told you, you are more than worthy.

Guilt. Ah, guilt. The best friend and worst enemy of an Adult Child of Narcissistic Parents. This may be the hardest of all the feelings to fight against, but you must. When that guilt is gnawing away at you, tell it to piss off.

You do not need to feel guilty if you decide not to stay in touch with your Narcissistic Parent - it may be for your own good.
Remember that your needs are important. Don't be afraid to make them know and ask for what you need

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/03/2014 14:55

Separating yourself from the sort of codependency that's common from Narcissistic Parents may seem daunting. Sure, they were emotionally (or physically)(or both) abusive, but your Narcissistic Parent is STILL your parent.

As an Adult Child of a Narcissistic Parent, you have two options:

  1. Total Estrangement - no contact, nothing, with your Narcissistic Parent.

  2. Measured Contact - contact, but limited interaction with Narcissistic Parent.

If you choose to keep measured contact with your Narcissistic Parent, be very sure to follow some strict, clear guidelines:

Create very clear boundaries. Don't reward your parent for crossing them. Be clear, but firm. If they show up unannounced, explain nicely that you are too busy to visit with them.

Shield your own children from their Narcissistic Grandparent. They do not need to be exposed to their toxic behaviours.

Rather than explain that you do not want to hear their advice, echo and mirror whatever the Narcissistic Parent says. Do whatever you'd planned to do anyway.

Go through a third party as your Narcissistic Parent ages - do not allow them to rely upon you and you alone as they need care.
Provide information on a "need to know" basis only. Just because your Narcissistic Parent tells you everything doesn't mean you must reciprocate.

YellowOtter · 12/03/2014 15:12

I've actually posted on this thread before, perhaps it was last year sometime? I can't remember exactly when!

Basically, my DF is a narc I think. Everything has to be done his way. It is weird because a lot of the time he is ok to be around (and can be quite funny), but I am scared of him. He had (rare) episodes of violence towards me in particular when I was younger and it sticks doesn't it? You don't ever forget that they are capable of it. He has this way of drawing himself up, he goes all tense and his lips purse, and I've noticed that when he does that, me, my DM and my DSis all run around him to try to head off his bad mood.

Anyway, I've been trying really hard to back away sloooowly from it, and not engage with him in the same ways anymore. His favourite topic of conversation is himself, and I'm just not that interested! I feel contempt for him now too. And then I feel guilty for not really caring about him, and sometimes actively hating him.

I'm really struggling with my DM and Dsis though. My DM totally idolises him - I think she was really naive and quite lonely when they met and she sees him as a saviour figure I think. I can't get over the fact that she would just stand by when he was violent though, and even used telling him about naughtiness etc as a threat to get me to behave. I just can't imagine ever just standing by when my daughter was dragged up the stairs by her hair! So, my relationship with her has really suffered. We used to be quite close, and I just can't do it anymore. I feel so horribly guilty about it though - I know it hurts her and she doesn't understand why I am distant now. I don't want to go back to how it was but I do want to find this less difficult and I just don't know how. I miss her terribly at times too.

I have had quite a turbulent relationship with my Dsis over the years, and she has always been quite competitive/jealous of me. In the past, I think I played up to that, and engaged in petty competitions with her. They were usually over my Dad's affections really. I've stopped doing that now. I had hoped that my increasing disengagement with my DM and DF would open up some space for us to rebuild a more positive relationship, but sadly the opposite has happened. We had a family gathering a few months ago, which I went to with my DH. I was pretty disengaged emotionally over the course of it, and didn't find it too bad. I think the fact that I wasn't competing with Dsis for Dad's attention and yet still got it pushed her over the edge. She was extremely verbally abusive towards me. Anyway, DH and I left after that, and I haven't heard from her since. That was several months ago. I'm really sad about it. She's been hurt too and she's alone. DH thinks I should leave it, she's an adult and should be responsible for her own behaviour, but I feel really sad about it.

DH has a pretty shitty relationship with his DM and DF too, so we both feel a bit alone at times really. We've been trying for a baby for some time now, and because of various health conditions of mine, it looks increasingly like ivf will be our best chance. Neither of us have told our families about it, and I don't think we will. I just feel like it would be nice if we had the support of wider family when facing all this. And I also feel really sad for any DC that we do manage to have - they won't really have the grandparent relationship on either side because both DH and feel like arms-length will be best. It feels like so much that I imagined about how life would be has disappeared.

Sorry about the ridiculous length of this post! I don't know what I need really, I'm just feeling a bit sorry for myself and trying to untangle feelings about my family from feelings about the ivf. They seem to be becoming increasingly mixed up in my head, I don't know why.

MozzchopsThirty · 12/03/2014 19:01

Yellow

That guilt that we feel is terrible isn't it? It eats me up. I also feel like I don't care about my mother, I sometimes wonder if I would cry if she died or be relieved?
God I'm so ashamed even typing that as I'm a caring person and work in a caring profession!

Don't worry about your future dc not having wider family, would you want to subject them to that?

MozzchopsThirty · 12/03/2014 19:15

Can I ask about weakness and dependence?
I see her as weak and she loves being helpless.
She says I'm hard, have no emotions and am cold

Is this narc behaviour??

I've just remembered something bizarre, when she stayed at Xmas we didn't speak at all for the last 24 hours. However when I dropped her at the station she said 'aren't you going to give me a kiss'?

To me this is totally bonkers, why would you want that when you're not talking.
Also recently on a flight we hit bad turbulence, she started crying and said 'oh mozz hold my hand' I just looked at her and said 'what for'? I just don't understand her behaviour it's like we are from different planets.

The strange thing is that if my best friend had said that I probably would have, but it's like a hook with her, to reel you in ??

YellowOtter · 12/03/2014 19:29

Yes, I'm shocked at how callous I can feel about my DF's death. I suppose we won't really know what it will be like until it happens, but I do think at least part of me would feel relief that that part of my life was over. Blush Sad

I'm not an expert on any of this Mozz, but I wonder if you are cold towards her as a self-protection mechanism? A bit like an emotional suit-of-armour? If you would hold your best friend's hand then it isn't some innate coldness in you is it? It is a reflection of your reaction to particular situations.

nearlyreadyforstatelyhomes · 12/03/2014 20:24

Yellow I feel for you, specially with the emotional rollercoaster you're having with regard to TTC. But I agree that it's probably not worth mentioning it to them - I imagine its delicate enough for you without them meddling with your head.

I spoke to DM about something today and half way through the conversation I was sat there thinking "wow this is the best two-way conversation we've had for a long time?". Didn't last long.... We were chatting about a friend who's pg and got a challenging time ahead of her for various reasons and DM said "well I can't remember if I told you at the time but when you were all gung-ho about having your home waterbirth with only your DH there I was thinking "good luck with that then" so you never know how people will cope". The backstory is that when I was pg with DD a couple of years ago DM announced that she wanted to be at the birth. I told her I really only wanted DH there and she cried - we were sat having lunch in a cafe at the time.

So today's comment stung and it was so subtle on so many little levels; and all I can now think is that a) she thought I couldn't do it (I did!), b) the 'gung-ho' suggests I was making a song and dance of it, c) she was and still is bitter she wasn't invited to attend and d) she is comfortable admitting she didn't support my choices. Thank GOD she didn't come to the birth.

atilla thanks as ever for your response. Moving isn't an option - we only bought this house in spring last year and it could well be our forever-home. Ironic you say that though as we moved back from Australia when I was pg with DD to be close to friends and family. It was a hard decision to move back, and nearly broke DH and I (he wanted to stay) and sadly I can now recognize I was full to the brim with FOG towards my DM's reaction to us staying and having the baby there, and instead I should've prioritized what DH wanted and what would've been best for us. I'm still sad about that actually though none of that was apparent to me until this falling out DM and I had last year.

I feel I am fairly low contact with her tbh. We speak when we have to and go through the motions at family events. It's all very functional. I am wary - I try to give her very little.

My birthday is coming up and I am going to make some birthday resolutions. I'm happy about turning 34 - I have a wonderful home, a marvellous DD and fantastic DH, and another little squishy baby en route. But - I don't take time out to appreciate those things enough and I'm awful at treating myself so that will be a resolution.

Oh and I made it as far as the BCAP website today!! Baby steps!

GoodtoBetter · 12/03/2014 22:23

DH has a job interview tomorrow! Trying not to get hopes up, but SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Hissy · 13/03/2014 07:09

OMG Good that's fab! Fingers andd everything crossed! Will be sending job getting vibes all day!

Badvoc · 13/03/2014 07:23

Hello all.
I posted a while back wrt my parents (dec/jan 13) and got some great advice and read a couple of the books that were recommended.
I came to the conclusion that my parents parenting was inadequate and tried very hard to move on whilst keeping on contact. It seemed to be working ok.
My dad collapsed and died very unexpectedly last July. He was 67.
My dh and I performed CPR but he died.
We were at a family wedding, away from home.
Later that same day my mum had a stress induced cardiomyopathy (known as broken heart syndrome) and spent 4 days in hospital.
My brother was catatonic with shock, my sister was abroad on holiday.
I was dads executrix (his will was a few years old) and so had to sort all his papers etc out.
I also planned the funeral...everything...hymns, readings, music...my family seemed unable to.
Since then I have been very ill (had to have surgery last nov) and my dads sister got a terminal dx and is currently in a nursing home receiving palliative care.
My issues ATM are - as you may have guessed - with my mum.
She and dad were together for 50 years and she was totally reliant on him.
Totally.
And I seem to have fallen into a trap of her using me as a replacement for dad.
What the hell do I do?
She is so lonely. I have tried to get her to go to things - but she will only go if I go with her so a bit self defeating.
My siblings don't see her often despite living closer than I do (we all live in the same town) in fact my sister keeps telling her she will pop in but then never does...
I took mum shopping yesterday - left the house at 8.30 for school run and didn't get back home til 3.20. I am exhausted.
I have told a huge lie today (that a friend is coming to see me) just to get a days break!
How sad is that? :(
I have a dh and 2 young dc who I need to spend more time with.
Wwyd?
I can't carry on like this....

DizzyKipper · 13/03/2014 08:10

Hi Badvoc,

That sounds really hard, I'm sorry I don't know your back story. I guess I would decide how often I was actually willing to go visit her and then stick to it. I would also keep reminding myself that it is not my responsibility to provide her with a life - particularly if she's not prepared to help herself. Spending time with your own family is really important, I'd think about how much time I was spending with them and how much I needed to spend with them and then make sure they were getting it. I know that's probably easier said then done, particularly if she's good at guilt tripping. Just repeat to yourself, it is not your responsibility to provide her with a life.

Meerka · 13/03/2014 08:28

That sounds such a difficult position to be in. Can really understand how lost and afraid your mother must be feeling. After 50 years reliant on her husband and unused to doing anything for herself, she must be utterly adrift.

At the same time you have to lead your own life!

The hard fact, specially hard for her to accept, is that you cannot be everything to her. You firstly have your own life to lead and secondly, most importantly, your children must come first.

Is it possible to start taking her to things and then leaving her at the door? coming to pick her up afterwards? Maybe first you would need to talk to her and to lay it out gently but clearly that you cannot be there all the time for her. Your own children and your husband need you and you have to be there for them. But equally offer to help her to begin to build her life up again.

Would it help to contact an organisation or two to see if they have advice? CRUISE or even Age Concern? Might it be worth talking to your siblings to see if they can make time for her and commit to that time?

Hopefully gentler measures will get somewhere.

If they don't, then it does come down to a stark choice, your life being entwined with hers or your life being focussed on children, husband and (in a good way) yourself. I think myself that you have to choose the latter. They need you as much as she does in a different way, and the torch goes on down the generations not up backwards, if you see what I mean. A person has to choose their own children, not their mother, as the focus of attention.

If this becomes necessary then I would say that you have to say to her that some days you have other things to do and just can't be there for her. She will feel abandoned and will probably cry, making you feel terrible. But you don't have to completely abandon her; simply only be there for her some of the time, instead of all of it; a few days a week instead of all of them. She must still be deeply in the loss stage, but over time she will accept that you will and do have your own life, even if she doesnt exactly like it. Hopefully over time too she will begin to take baby steps to her own independence after so long and find her -own- life.

Best of luck

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