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A silly, rambling dilemma

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gabrielleblue · 09/02/2014 17:22

I started a relationship with a guy about 6 months ago, casually at first but we certainly developed deep feelings for each other and said that we are in love with eachother.. Just before Christmas he had a stroke and I was at his bedside throughout, even though friends told me this was the perfect opportunity to walk away and they advised me to because of his situation. I stayed because I wanted to. He is a man who has been unemployed for a couple of years and was sinking into a depression due to his lack of employment and dire finances anyway. With the damage from the stroke (left side paralysis, but gradually getting better) he is in an even less likely position to find work. He literally has no money. I do have money, but he doesn't want to accept anything from me. He is in a very real situation of not being able to afford rent in the next few weeks and there is every chance he will be made homeless. In that case he would have no option but to return to his family (as a charity case) for shelter. This is an intelligent man who has never considered the future, having had a series of well paid jobs, but spending all his reserves during his bouts of unemployment.
The other issue is that relationship wise he is so unstable. Or at least has been until we met. Very much at a downturn in his life - which of course got even worse with his health problems. He called himself a retired player, has spent the vast amount of his time and money in various strip clubs (the only way to actually have drinks with beautiful women he said) but, and in a way I believe him, that was all it was. We started having sex about 3 weeks after meeting. We have been together every night since then and the sex has been very lovely for both of us - he says best ever for him -even since the stroke. Very prudish (he calls it gentlemanly) about anything like a sext. Won't do it, so some of me really believes the strip clubs were 'company' for him as he's never had a long term relationship. More red flags: right now I am on an extended business trip and our texts to eachother have dried up somewhat. We tend not to talk on the phone. I have just noticed many flirtatious comments on facebook between him and a woman he has recently met through a friend. He doesn't know I know about these, and I am not sure whether to make anything of it anyway. But since he is housebound, and she lives many miles away, I doubt anything is happening in real life.
So there are many reasons to walk away now, before I am even more drawn to him. This is a just a silly ramble really, but the truth is that I am in love with him, even though it makes no sense at all, and feel that I should offer my home and money to him till he recovers a little more and can get back on his own feet. However, if he is really still playing the field, even if it is just by Facebook or texting, I don't want to be taken advantage of.

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Holdthepage · 09/02/2014 18:25

This is not a silly dilemma, you are being reeled in by a conman who will leave you poorer both financially and emotionally.

Walk away & don't look back.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 09/02/2014 18:38

" he thinks I am such a winner and he doesn't deserve me."

Do you see how manipulative this line is? At the same time it places you on a pedestal and makes him deserving of pity. Similarly these ideas of him being unlucky in relationships until he met you and found true love... more pedestals, more pity... and how you're too much of a lady to be sent a raunchy text, even though he's quite at home in seedy clubs.... ditto.

Very deliberate strategy that I'm sure he's perfected over the years.

Cabrinha · 09/02/2014 18:44

"He doesn't deserve me".

Oh, please please please get rid.
99.99% chance he thinks he deserves whatever he wants but knows this line works on a lot of women.
00.01% he really feels that - in which case, too much like hard work dealing with insecurity, get rid.

AnyFucker · 09/02/2014 18:56

This man has a Madonna/whore complex

First he idealised you, at the moment you are being devalued, not too far in the future (when he has fleeced you for some money) he will discard you

whitsernam · 09/02/2014 19:32

Thing is, OP, very often when we tell ourselves we don't need someone to provide for us, and we just want that FWB relationship - in the end we really fall for the guy! It's totally natural to want to love the person you have sex with.... and then there you are: stuck with the loser/player/twat/whatever! So get out now, before your future gets more entwined with his. This is the easy part..... it gets worse the longer you see him.

gabrielleblue · 09/02/2014 19:39

I know, I know I have to do it. And you're right, I have been like a love struck teenager for the last few months. Of course that is such a sweet feeling after the end of a marriage. It's just so embarrassing to realise I've been

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gabrielleblue · 09/02/2014 19:51

Sorry, it posted too soon...

To realise I've been played when everyone would think IIn wiser than that. But not very experienced in dating after marriage. I really did think I was rescuing him - and myself in the process - from his situation which is even more disastrous financially than I disclosed. And the foolish feeling hurts nearly as much as the not seeing him again. That will be hard because we live in a small community (not in the UK) so we probably will see each other when we're out and about - as he recovers. Maybe be best scenario here is that he is evicted for non payment of rent and has to go back home. I guess that is pretty pathetic to have had all of these resources - good education, charming personality, at times a good job, but to have blown it on alcohol, strip clubs and sporadic relationships. He had so few people come and visit him in the hospital it was very sad. My emotions were a mixture of pity and attraction/lust. Hopefully, because it didn't go on too long, it won't take too long to get out of my system. But right now it is definitely still occupying all my thoughts. I have had some more flirty texts from him today, telling me I am not used to compliments because I have been very dismissive of them. On the other hand I can see he has posted a flirty 'I love you' message on the Facebook page.
Should I let him know I know what he's been doing. Or just walk away and not reply if I get a text from him. If I let him know that I know all the correspondence between them, then I'll just look like a stalker. Obviously I was doing that, but in some way it is good to have found out. Just means I can get through this faster. Wonder if it will hurt everytime I have to see him though. I don't want these feelings to cone back and hit me in the face again. I doubt very much he will try and wriggle out of it. It really is in his nature to flirt with everyone. I thought this was ok, but I guess when you have feelings for someone, it's obviously not. Phew. Thanks for reading and offering up your advice. I'm truly grateful and that's what will help me get out of this

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KatieScarlett2833 · 09/02/2014 20:55

Don't beat yourself up.
You have sussed him out in good time and are dumping him. That screams responsible, sorted woman to me. It could have been a lot worse Smile

gabrielleblue · 09/02/2014 21:02

But I think he might have dumped me before before he even knows that I've cottoned on. That makes it even more humiliating. His lack of texts, or the generic oblique flirting ones point to that, don't they. I actually feel sick to the pit of my stomach: at the flirty messages to the Facebook woman, the fact I've been played and the hurt at having to recover from my deep feelings for him.

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KatieScarlett2833 · 09/02/2014 21:08

Who cares who dumped who?
Understand you are feeling stung and hurt, hell, I'd be livid Grin
However, you have done nothing wrong really. You just fell for a wrong un and I suspect that many of us have. I know I have done in the distant murky past.

KatieScarlett2833 · 09/02/2014 21:14

I once had a boyfriend who was a complete player. But hey, I was strong, fabulous and feisty, I could cope, right?
We even got engaged (this is so embarrassing)
He turned out to be a burglar, a habitual thief (as the judge said).
Oh and he tried to shag all my friends, managed quite successfully with one or two.
Now I had no knowledge of this and obviously dumped him but oh the shame!!!!

MartinSheensTeeth · 09/02/2014 21:15

He's right about one thing, he doesn't deserve you.

gabrielleblue · 09/02/2014 21:40

Thanks, MartinSheensTeeth - that's sweet of you. I would have really tried to make him well and happy again, so I've even lost a bit of a sense of purpose.
Katie Scarlett - that one must have been totally devastating.
Why do men act like this? And why do women let them? I am embarrassed to think that I even l

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gabrielleblue · 09/02/2014 21:46

Sorry again - fat fingers on phone keypad

Liked the sex more than him. Liked pleasing him - and I do believe I did. We were very tender together. I do know that he actually wasn't seeing anyone else. He was always around and waiting for me. Lack of job and money meant that was the situation. I did take him out - otherwise like would have been pretty boring, and he always commented that he wished he'd had the money to do things for me. Gets worse, and more humiliating, doesn't it.
Don't really wish him harm, but he is very washed up now: no money, no job or prospects, not many friends (but attractive to most women on superficial level) and disabled and likely to be homeless to boot. Gotta think that I did dodge a bullet, even though I was going to work my way through the red flags if all this flirting hadn't reared its head

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AnyFucker · 09/02/2014 21:46

OP, I suggest you get some individual counselling to find out why your bar is set so low

and why you thought it your role to save a dick like this

what in your life is so lacking that you felt it your "purpose" to make him well ?

KatieScarlett2833 · 09/02/2014 21:51

In my case it was because I was young and clueless as to why his income didn't match his outgoings. Also was a tad arrogant in that I was so speshul he would never cheat on meeee...
I dumped him when his criminal proclivities were brought to my attention. Didn't find out about the shagees until a while afterwards.
Still, at least I didn't marry the fucker, every cloud and all that Smile

gabrielleblue · 09/02/2014 21:55

Well I'm not young, but probably vulnerable and low self esteem (from having very high achieving ex and always being in his shadow). Of course this manifests itself as high self esteem sometimes, so no one would know I feel as bad as I do.
I so liked him. We had 4/5 very good months together...

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AnyFucker · 09/02/2014 21:59

OP, have a look here I think it may help you

CogitoErgoSometimes · 09/02/2014 22:08

"Why do men act like this? And why do women let them? "

Men don't and women don't.... by and large. But some men are selfish users and some women are willing to overlook flaws if it means they get some attention and affection. You're a human being, you're susceptible to flattery and you're kind at heart. For an unscrupulous man like this that makes you 'the mark'....

gabrielleblue · 09/02/2014 22:14

Thank you. Not entirely sure he fits any of those categories. Neither did the relationship develop into a living together/family on.
He's actually a nice, charming 'player' and I should have keep him at arms length. Sex (which I wanted as much or more than him) and nothing else. Of course his mother, who has been around since his illness, thinks I'm the best thing that's ever happened to him..

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PortofinoRevisited · 09/02/2014 22:19

I was feeling slightly sympathetic towards him til you mentioned the strip clubs. Just walk and keep walking.

gabrielleblue · 09/02/2014 22:38

Are they really that bad then? I know it's wrong to objectify women like that, but if it's a no extras place, and the women make money, is it that bad?
I tried not to judge him, even though I don't know anyone else who's ever even frequented one. I just thought it a bit silly and immature. Because of his rather prudish attitude to sex, I actually did believe him when he said he wasn't interested even in the dancing, more the conversation. What a fool, huh!

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AnyFucker · 09/02/2014 22:39

yes, you have been a fool

gabrielleblue · 09/02/2014 22:43

But it doesn't make it hurt any less. Right now I'm completely isolated from anyone else and in the frozen part of the USA. And too embarrassed/ashamed to talk about it in real life anyway, so it's eating away at me. It will get better with time I expect, but right now I feel dreadful.

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PortofinoRevisited · 09/02/2014 22:43

The conversation. Yeah right.

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