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I fyou felt as a child that you had zero emotional support from your parent(s) etc

410 replies

SoleSource · 19/01/2014 16:47

How has this affected how you deal with your emotions as an adult?

Do you find emotions hard to deal with?

Are you afraid of asking for help or just being yourself or not know how to word your feelings from being afraid of being vulnerable and attacked?

As I do sometimes...as I had zero emotional support as a child and was emotionally abused and verbally attacked constantly by my Father. I have been NC for nine years now.

I'm single and have had a course of therapy but feel I have been hurt far too much and am scared of letting others 'in'.

OP posts:
jenuwhine · 23/01/2014 11:26

oh yes and when I might be a bit disagreeable/down in the dumps its because I have PMT and need to learn to manage it OR there has been a full moon recently.

FFS.

ghostinthecanvas · 23/01/2014 11:47

I remember the day I started my period vividly. It was in the summer holidays and I I was so excited I rushed upstairs to tell my mum. She grunted. She was in bed, it was midday. She had 4 kids. I immediately felt squashed and unimportant. Shamed as well. To have thought she would be interested. I may ask her does she remember the day I started my period. Knowing that I am not the only one whose mother minimised such an important step is a huge help.

Uptidy · 23/01/2014 11:49

solace and being a cow I completely agree with the 1960s thing. I think my mum and dad actually didn't really care because they were too self absorbed, but they would probably have justified all this with some hippyish idea of being not repressed or of not caring about pointless things such as appearances. So I was always dirty and inappropriately dressed for the weather in winter for example. They let me go to clubs in London from the age of 14 onwards and while we did not discuss it they could surely not have been ignorant of what went on there- I took a lot of LSD (as it was cheap) and alcohol and sex, older blokes etc.

Mum didn't want the hassle of boys/ men staying over at hers so she could have peace and privacy in the morning - so I either stayed friends or at boys houses, or travelled around across London on night buses to get back home from clubs or stayed with 'boyfriends' at friends houses whose parents were away. I put myself at massive risk and was very lucky no serious harm came of it. There was no sex drugs drink talk from either parent. As a teenager I basically managed to get myself adopted by a school friend's family who were very kind and let me stay over a lot whe I should have been at my mums. But that was painful too seeing them all be affectionate to each other.

Likewise to other posters with the personal hygiene stuff- neither parent taught me or talked about this. I bought my own sanitary towels with pocket money- having been told off for 'taking' my mum's. I had tooth abcesses from 8 years old well into secondary school which smelt awful and was always teased at primary because I had yellow teeth. It took me years to realise that was because I wasn't cleaning them properly.

At primary my teachers brushed my hair in he morning and tied my hair back for me- again, I didn't know that this was abnorma even though I was the only kid they did this for. I used to get very painful cystitis very regularly too in primary which the teachers did ask me about - I suppose they suspected abuse- but I think it was the combination of my high anxiety, being cold a lot of the time and very rarely having baths. Nothing was done about it anyhow. I managed to get my dad to buy me Cymalon when I saw him but my Mum had had it all before much worse hersel of course so I just had to get on wth it.

I did well at school (looking for approval of course) so my parents never questioned whether anything was amiss. But there was never by any career chat or interest in what I would do as an adult so I prioritised my social/love life in my 20s (with rotten self esteem) and messed up my chance at higher education. my job prospects now have obviously suffered for that. I am very far the over way of affectionate attention giving with my daughter who is still little and desperately want to do a better job with her when she is a teenager especially. Sorry for venting. It really helps to get this down. Thanks for sharing you experiences in all of your posts. They have been very sad reading but I am pleased that many of you have been able to find some support with your awful experiences and move forward. Flowers to everyone and good luck.

altogetherwonderful · 23/01/2014 12:42

Oh uptidy. So much of what you say is similar - you were not alone. Many of my friends have 'celebrated' their dd first period with a mum daughter day out & have bought them little period packs, so the dd won't be embarrassed with tampons etc when out & about. Makes me sad to hear those stories.

I was often told by Dm usually in front of someone visiting out home that I smelt funny & needed a shower - even though there was NEVER hot water for baths showers & to ask to have a bath was akin to asking for £500 cash

bishbashboosh · 23/01/2014 12:59

I so relate to all of this, bt on the other hand it makes me furious as I am the opposite with my 4 children. My Mother never wanted daughters and i was the disappointment 3rd.

I spent my whole life trying to prove myself, overachieving, anorexia, running marathons, degree after degree...only to be told it is my fault now as I am too good for them.

I remember when I strated mt periods my Mother posted me a sanitary towel that had been sent for free with a 30p of coupon

I am so envious of those with stability in their parental relationships but I am eternally grateful that I learnt very early on that the relationship and acceptance of your parents is pivotal to EVERYTHING

bishbashboosh · 23/01/2014 13:00

I also remember my Dad hitting me and making me walk on the other side of the road because I stank. I was still at primary school. I ate crisps of the floor, sweets, everything

Lemonylemon · 23/01/2014 13:04

Uptidy have a huge {}

altogetherwonderful - your story about showering made me smile. I have showered DS every day since, oh, the year dot, I guess. I always told him how important it was to shower every day and especially to wash under his arms and his bits really well and to always do this as I didn't want to have an embarrassing conversation with him about him being smelly when he was a teenager. Fast forward a few years and DS is now 16. The other night I went into his room and was nearly blown away by the smell. I said to him "Remember when you were little and when you showered I said that it was really important to wash really well and so I didn't have to have an embarrassing conversation with you when you were a teenager?" "Yes." "Well, you need to have a shower.... Nuff said." He took it well. Smile

SicknSpan · 23/01/2014 13:09

Thanks for kind words and validation up thread. It does mean something to have other people who (sadly) know what I'm on about.

For what it's worth, I don't feel that I experienced emotional abuse when I was young, More like emotional neglect. There was just never any discussion of how to deal with feelings at all, nor a role model that I could learn from- as a result it still makes me unsettled if I feel any sort of emotion other that the pretend happiness that is so important to plaster on. I'm getting better at dealing with it and allowing it but it is terribly hard to let people in and even now after 19 years of being together I've only just recently let dh "see" some of the real me and express what I really think about stuff rather than what I think I should feel. And he still loves me! Which I find amazing, that I might have opinions and tastes that he doesn't share but still is here and showing me that I am important without laughing or pooh poohing my taste in music or books or whatever

I made some unwise choices when young (like previous posters have experienced, I was sexually active far too early and had far too many inappropriate relationships/ one night stands etc) and had no guidance on life choices. Uni? Not uni? What subjects? Nobody visited me when I did move away to study and it really did feel that once I left home to go to uni, that's it I was an adult- their job was done and my dad has even said this to me as if it was something to be proud of.

Neither of my parents are bad people. They divorced when I was 18 and both remarried very quickly, I have a good relationship with my mum and her husband but don't see my dad or his wife much. They were just (and still are) emotionally inadequate. I am grateful for some of the things their behaviour has produced in me- I have a high tolerance for putting up with stuff and can be quite thick skinned and stoic for example, and am very self sufficient and can compartmentalise stuff to great effect- but I feel sad for the little girl and young adult that I was. We missed out on so much and I wish that we were closer as a family, could rely upon each other more.

I can't imagine a time in my life when I will not be interested and wondering about my beautiful two sons (plus dc3 that I'm cooking for a May arrival!) and hoping to help smooth their brow or ease their fears, listen to their worries and hopes and dreams and joys- I want to be allowed to help guide them into adulthood with the knowledge that me and dh will always catch them if they fall on the way, and even when they are all grown with lives and partners of their own if they need us. Planning on being a lovely mother in law not a psycho mind you ;)

Mum and dad didn't do anything "wrong". But there were massive chunks missed out of my upbringing that they SO should have covered.

SicknSpan · 23/01/2014 13:15

Bishbash and uptidy - and everyone else- you have been through such a lot. Wish I could scoop up the lot of you when you were little and look after you with love x

Alwayscheerful · 23/01/2014 13:48

Sicknspan - yours is such a familiar story to me.

I already know that discussing my feelings with my mother would lead to outrage or ridicule, how comforting to read about it here.

beingacow · 23/01/2014 13:52

I wonder about something: my partner's parents were, by all accounts, worse than mine: emotionally unavailable, cold, odd, uncaring and totally uninterested or supportive. He's fine, apart from a bit Confused by his mum at times, he really doesn't struggle with the effects of a rather strange childhood.
I do.
Why has it had such an impact on me and the way I behave and relate as an adult, and not on him?

altogetherwonderful · 23/01/2014 13:57

Cow- that's interesting. Maybe he has put it in a 'box' & kept it there?

The most frustrating part of it all is their (parents) denial - as far as they know, they did their best/did nothing wrong. It means the relationship is very FAKE & I can't do fake with them. Either it's low contact or nothing.

Alwayscheerful · 23/01/2014 13:59

I Can't or won't do fake either, why are they so happy with fake?

altogetherwonderful · 23/01/2014 14:00

Plus, Cow, there isn't a blueprint reaction to it, my sister for example is in complete denial, in a bid to ensure she is still kept in their inheritance!

For me, no amount of their money could clear my hard drive of shitty memories

Your DH - maybe he struggles and doesn't want to burden you with it, knowing you are already trying to deal with your own?

altogetherwonderful · 23/01/2014 14:03

Always- I don't know. Maybe they realise how awful they were & try to keep up the appearance as to admit to anything would wreck their seemingly perfect family? It's really weird. They had their chances, didn't bother to invest emotionally back then, and NOW want to be involved?!?!? No chance. See, it makes me very angry, sorry.

bishbashboosh · 23/01/2014 14:46

thinks that have helped me are time and cutting my Mother off. Also I was lucky to form some good friendships (all with older women) and a lovely hubby too, I focus everything o n them

Alwayscheerful · 23/01/2014 15:09

Minimising contact with my DM and some wonderful friendships with older ladies have helped me enormously. Other ladies have been my role models and taught me about family and friendship.

altogetherwonderful · 23/01/2014 15:53

Yy to strong relationships with older females & low Dm interaction - it has been healing. I wouldn't tolerate behaviour like theirs from friends ()I would avoid) so why am I expected to with parents?

I also cultivate a simple cosy life at home with our DCs

I'm learning to be gentle with myself, managing negative self talk with positive affirmations (the quotes board on Pinterest is helpful)

AllDirections · 23/01/2014 16:03

I'm like your DH beingacow My childhood was awful but I don't think it's caused me any real issues as an adult. I'm probably on the ASD spectrum somewhere so maybe this has helped me to process what happened in a very factual way, rather than an emotional way. I do miss having a family, but I don't miss my family if that makes any sense.

NotmyusualNN · 23/01/2014 16:21

Can I join in?

I’ve never really spoken to anyone about my childhood and lasting problems with my parents for fear that I’ll be told to get a grip and grow up. I suppose that’s what my parents themselves would say. On a few occasions I have mentioned to DH and a couple of very close friends that I find my parents difficult and they are very understanding – maybe I should try getting this out in the open a little more.

I could join up each and every post on this long thread and it would come close to the story of my own life. There are some differences, no physical abuse from my parents and I am sure I was loved and wanted – they just never talked in these terms and emotion was all but banned in our house. I completely relate to the poster upthread who mentioned keeping up appearances; our house was like a showhome and every aspect of our appearance was groomed to perfection – it was all an empty façade,

I don’t recall hearing the word “love” at home but neither too could sadness be expressed. My parents were a good generation, and possibly more in my dad’ case, older than any of my peer group and I think this made a difference in their attitudes towards parenting and the differences I could see in the way my friends interacted with their parents.

I must have been wanted; I know my parents tried for a baby for a long time and my mother ended up have some kind of pioneering fertility treatment in the late 70s which obviously worked. I don’t know what this involved – some kind of early stage IVF? Talking about anything remotely revolving sex or reproduction was “dirty” and “disgusting”. This is evidence, though, that I was a wanted child. I have half-siblings from my dad’s first marriage and they were held up by both parents as the golden children and from an early age I remember being told it was a shame I would never be as pretty, clever, successful, kind etc as them.

As with another poster early in the thread, there were no words for our private parts or for any bodily functions. Everything to do with that was secretive and shameful. I suffered from excruciating bouts of thrush and cystitis as a child and eventually my mother took me to a doctor although she made me feel small, dirty and degraded for “wanting” to talk about these things and “making” the doctor examine at me. She then refused to help me with the cream I was prescribed. I must have been around 5-6 years old. I still find it extremely difficult to talk to medical professionals about any intimate issues and am lucky to have found an amazing and supportive GP in recent years who understands when I talk around things – she is slowly helping me to be able to talk about and take ownership of my body. Despite suffering from the most crippling period pains from the age of 11 and regularly fainting with the pain at school, my mother also refused to allow me to speak to a doctor about such dirty things. I was 30 before the aforementioned wonderful GP finally helped me through the necessary stages to diagnose endometriosis.

I was abused by a regular babysitter as a child. I never told my parents. How can you do that when you are not allowed to talk about these parts of your body or when any kind of touch is seen as shameful and inappropriate? I guess he knew that and his threats of how angry my parents would be with me were enough to buy my silence. I also believed, into my 30s, that I had, in some way, offered myself to him and made him do these things to me.

I was badly bullied at primary school and I vividly remember one night, being unable to sleep and sobbing my heart out in my room at the thought of going to school the next day. My bedroom door flew open and my father demanded to know what the racket was all about. I broke down and told him how bad things were; I showed him the bruises from where I had been held down and kicked in the ribs. He said “is that all” and told me to toughen up and stop disturbing his sleep. I took that in my stride at the time as it didn’t occur to me that any other parent would react differently but as an adult I am sickened by his reaction.

As mentioned by another poster, I have countless memories of being scared in various scenarios and then afterwards being praised for not letting it show. I suppose that was easier than having to comfort me and god forbid, being seen in public hugging a small child. Sadness was also not allowed and the scorn poured on me or anyone else who “turned on the waterworks” was awful. Despite these difficulties with my parents, I did have an exceptionally close relationship with my maternal grandmother and was obviously upset when she died. My father actually hustled my out of her funeral and made me sit in a car so that nobody would see me crying.

Stupidly, the only time I have ever tackled them on this was, of all things, watching the X-Factor on one occasion and both parents were getting quite het up about the levels of emotion shown as the contestants were waiting to hear who was being sent home. That was the one time I snapped and shouted at them that people are allowed to cry, it is better than bottling up emotion.

My own first period was, like others, a traumatic experience. I was eleven and having never spoken to my mother about any of that stuff, was more scared that she would be angry that I knew what a period was. I couldn’t possibly say we had spoken about it at school. I tried to keep it secret but didn’t even last a full day. I was so frightened and upset about what was happening to me that she noticed something was wrong and eventually wheedled it out of my between sobs. This time I didn’t get into trouble for crying and my mother was actually pretty amazing, giving me all the products and information I needed but that window was soon shut again. As I mentioned, my periods were bad and I often leaked (stupid cheap unreliable sanpro that she bought) and she would often burst into my room with the bloodied underwear from the laundry basket, telling me that I was disgusting.

All of this has definitely affected my emotions as an adult. I still find it extremely difficult to ask for help or to admit when I am worried or scared about something. I don’t really feel comfortable with public displays of affection and often take criticism badly. Even when it is obviously constructive such as the trainer at the gym suggesting I adopt a different position to make things a little easier or if someone in my team suggests a different way of doing things at work, all I can hear is that voice telling me that I’m useless and can’t get anything right.

I haven't gone NC but I dread spending time with my parents. Like others, the consequences of doing so would be too much - I know I would lose my entire family so I grin and bear it even though I am still criticised for my appearance, choice of career and every single aspect of my lifestyle.

SicknSpan · 23/01/2014 16:56

Here's a Brew Notmyusual. There are so many of us regular folks going about our regular business whilst carrying heavy loads our parents have given us. Glad you are managing to let a bit of it out in rl too.

desperatelyseekingsolace · 23/01/2014 17:10

Uptidy yes. I can totally relate to this.

Notmyusual that sounds truly horrendous. Reading this thread has actually made me feel fairly privileged. Some of you have gone through some really awful stuff.

feltpaperchains · 23/01/2014 17:43

uptidy Your story could have been written by me, in places word for word, I too plan to do a much better job with DC's,well done for coming through it with your sanity intact, I hope like mine,your self esteem grows every day.

Andro · 23/01/2014 17:55

The most frustrating part of it all is their (parents) denial - as far as they know, they did their best/did nothing wrong.

Here's one area where my mother is very different to most on here, she doesn't deny that she's been vile to me. Her view of things though is that she never wanted me so it doesn't matter!

At least she never got away with it around my father - and he called her on any instance he found out about.

InsanityandBeyond · 23/01/2014 18:17

Not feeling safe is my biggest problem. I have realised that it is myself that I don't feel safe with. After all, being told that I was basically a psychopath my whole childhood by not only my mother, but my siblings too, can do that to you.

My family nickname was 'psycho' and the 'nutter'. Still stings 30 years later as I know I did absolutely nothing to deserve that name apart from look at my mum with a 'sneer' (according to her). That was probably because, being the deeply sensitive kid I was, I knew her physical and emotional abuse of me was very wrong and I was very angry at her due to her preventing contact with my dad and her being aware I was being sexually abused by an older sibling but doing absolutely nothing about it!

It has taken me all this while to accept that I am actually perfectly sane (despite the NN Grin).

I am another one with a DH who doesn't get it. I mean he tells his sisters on the phone 'love you' when he hangs up Shock. That to me is totally weird! I can't remember anyone from my family (including mother) hugging me after my DC2 died at birth. They came to the funeral, yes, but that was just for 'show' unfortunately. I don't blame my siblings for the way we were brought up though.

This is what makes MM amazing IMO. Us kindred souls can come together and share experiences and how we feel that we couldn't in RL. We know it's not 'just us'. Much Cake and Wine to everyone x