Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

I fyou felt as a child that you had zero emotional support from your parent(s) etc

410 replies

SoleSource · 19/01/2014 16:47

How has this affected how you deal with your emotions as an adult?

Do you find emotions hard to deal with?

Are you afraid of asking for help or just being yourself or not know how to word your feelings from being afraid of being vulnerable and attacked?

As I do sometimes...as I had zero emotional support as a child and was emotionally abused and verbally attacked constantly by my Father. I have been NC for nine years now.

I'm single and have had a course of therapy but feel I have been hurt far too much and am scared of letting others 'in'.

OP posts:
Lemonylemon · 22/01/2014 12:55

May I join?

I feel ashamed at the emotional wreck I was in my 20's and 30's. I am completely embarrassed about the way I have treated some people I had relationships (or not) with. I have apologised to one in particular. I have also had various EA relationships. I can't say "I love you" to another person without feeling like a twat.

I spent my childhood without hugs and kisses from either parent - especially my Mum. I spent my 9th birthday crying because I was so depressed. We were subjected to physical punishment (ie cane on the back of the knees).

The only people I felt comfortable cuddling and kissing are my DC's. They are/were really huggy people.

My father had a life threatening condition which meant that we, realistically, could not go that near him. His near-death experience while on the operating table years later, totally changed his personality. He tried to make amends.

My Mum, however, is still here. She's a recovering alcoholic who was given about 6 months to live about 2 years ago.

I think that I had hysterical personality disorder which, from what I can recall, gets less severe in your 40's and 50's. I'm sure that this was a result of lack of empathy/sympathy/affection blah, blah as a child. It has never been professional diagnosed. I have been on anti-depressants twice (in my 20's and 30's).

I shy away from people wanting to give me comfort or letting people in. It just leaves me too vulnerable. I cope, for the most part, on my own.

There. I've said a little bit.

AllDirections · 22/01/2014 13:04

After reading some of the stately homes threads on here I had a chat with my teen DDs. I said that I wanted to deal with anything that I was or wasn't doing now that would affect their emotional health as adults. They couldn't think of anything so maybe it's something that children can only do as adults and in hindsight. Maybe children are not emotionally mature enough to articulate in this way or, maybe, just maybe, there isn't anything that I'm doing so wrong, which is very possible since my DC are, erm, vocal about anything and everything. All I can do as a parent is to make sure that home is a nice place to be and that I am available to them and I do stuff with them. I hope that's enough Smile

Mumto3dc · 22/01/2014 13:39

How has this affected how you deal with your emotions as an adult?
I feel very little, I find it hard to even feel emotion, let alone express it!

Do you find emotions hard to deal with?
Yes, I don’t feel my emotions are valid. I find other peoples’ emotions hard to deal with, I want them to pretend to feel nothing, or actually feel nothing.

Are you afraid of asking for help or just being yourself or not know how to word your feelings from being afraid of being vulnerable and attacked?
I find it very difficult to ask for help or confide in anybody. I don’t feel safe expressing how I feel. If I do open up to someone I feel terrible about it afterwards, very vulnerable and exposed. I feel much better if I say nothing, even if at the time of sharing it feels good. I am afraid of being myself, I’m not sure I even know who I am.

Thank you SoleSource for starting this thread, I have read nearly every post and it has helped me, to read so much I can identify with. It has really helped validate my experiences and my feelings.

It is very hard to express what my childhood was like. My father was physically and emotionally distant. He kind of expressed love but not in any concrete way, he didn’t give time or emotional support. I have 2 memories of doing anything with him. He gave me my only parental conversation of help or advice, when I was 16 or so – “Don’t get pregnant.” He had an eating disorder my whole childhood which led him to starve/binge and exercise obsessively, he was extremely emotionally abusive towards my mother over her weight. No surprises but I have spent my entire adult life struggling with an eating disorder. I cannot do anything but tie up my weight and appearance with being loveable.
I do think he loves me in his way, but his way is very shallow. It doesn’t mean he can or will give any time or emotional support and will always put himself first.

My mother…… Is veeeery hard to explain. She’s like a shell of a person, there really is no humanity there, she doesn’t see other people as real people separate to her. It is like the world is her stage and everyone on it is a character of her creation. She has no friends, but sort of latches onto acquaintances and then kind of makes up a person for them who she talks about. She does this for me, so talks about me as a child, but it is not anyone I would recognise, just her own creation. A bizarre manifestation of this is that, in real life, she takes no interest in my children, she really does not care about them at all. But my parents have photographs of the dc in their house and when I see her she will talk about the photographs, as if they are the people and my actual dc are the photos... It is so weird....

Her world revolves around her. As a child I had to be good, well-behaved and do exactly what she wanted me to do. She had no time or patience for me being anything other than exactly as she wanted. She simply would not acknowledge or deal with anything negative or stressful. I was allowed no feelings or emotions of my own. At anything difficult she would just cry or ignore. Like many people who have already posted, there was no conversation about periods or puberty, I just had to work it all out for myself. I have never once in my entire life had any support from her for anything. I have gone through many things as an adult and she has simply not cared. I know in my heart or hearts she does not love me as she has shown me this in so many different ways.

Probably the most obvious example is from a couple of years ago when I really badly sprained a muscle in my calf, I literally could not walk for weeks and was in such agony I did not sleep for 2 weeks (no exaggeration). My parents dropped in on their way back from somewhere and I was crawling round the kitchen. I asked my mum to make herself a cup of tea, she looked at me on the floor, with a really pained expression and said she was tired from the journey. She went and sat in the living room and waited for my dh to make her one. It literally did not touch her that her daughter was on the floor in agony. They offered no help or support and didn’t ring me to see how I was in the weeks that followed. I had 3 young children to look after. I feel like crying just thinking about it.

One of my friends observed a time at my ds1’s birthday party in the park. My dd was a baby and was crawling around my mum’s feet. My friend said my mum literally did not look at my dd or acknowledge her presence at all. She was really shocked at how unnatural her reactions were, from anyone, let alone the child’s grandmother.

As a child I was cared for physically, but also in a quite neglectful way. I was not given guidance over teeth cleaning, or personal hygiene. I had my first tooth abcess at 6. My father used to steal food from the back of supermarkets – this was a source of immense shame for me as I was so worried about people finding out, also it meant most of our food was old and out of date. I often had mouldy bread for my lunches and a rancid water bottle that wasn’t properly cleaned out. They were very tight with money (despite having plenty) so I only had clothes from charity shops, which I was mortified by.

Now as an adult I avoid anything that reminds me of the past, to the point that I will only listen to Radio 1 because I don’t want to hear old music.

I still have contact with my parents but I really wish I didn’t. I truly cannot bear being in the same room as my mother. My father is ok but I just hate the way I am continually let down by them. Seeing them really drags me down.

I have 3 children and they have never cared about any of them. I could fill up this whole thread with examples of my mum’s breath-taking selfishness and lack of interest in them. That is a constant source of pain for me, not that I know I should expect any different from them, but that it is just so far from what I and my dc should be able to expect from their grandparents.

Sorry, I know this is long and of course I feel terrible and guilty and horribly uncomfortable about sharing….

Mumto3dc · 22/01/2014 13:54

Actually it does feel really good to have written all that down!!

I keep thinking about counselling. I have had a couple of sessions over the years but I think it would be more helpful now. It has taken me until the last year or so to really understand what was so bad about my childhood and my adult relationship with my parents. The lack of physical or sexual abuse and no obvious emotional abuse has made it really hard for me to realise it actually was abusive - they were basically really neglectful.

I've really struggled with the cognitive dissonance of being told, oh your parents love you in their own way, oh they were not abusive, and yet knowing deep down in my heart that they didn't really love or care for me and there was a huge hole where a normal parent/child relationship should exist.

ghostinthecanvas · 22/01/2014 13:58

Mumto3dc Sad
Have you thought about having no contact? Would you feel better for it? You owe them nothing and the children would be fine without them. No contact doesn't have to be dramatic if you don't want confrontation. Phase them out. I went nc for 5 years. Lovely and peaceful. Or you could tell them they are a pair of and you will be very happy without them in your life.
Writing it down and sharing is nothing to feel guilty about. It's good for you.

Mumto3dc · 22/01/2014 14:01

Sorry, I'm on a roll now...
With my own dc I try really really hard to be emotionally available to them, to talk about how they are feeling and how I am feeling. I try to always see things from their point of view, to see them as a person, in a way I never was seen. I know many people think I am stupid, I do co-sleeping with my youngest and if the other two wake in the night, they come in with me, I lie with all of them til they fall asleep. It is so important to me that I acknowledge their feelings and their fears and their desires. I cannot leave any of them if they need or want me.

I have never felt like a person to my parents, never felt that I matter. I hated being a child, I felt so powerless. I never want my children to feel the way I did.

Mumto3dc · 22/01/2014 14:04

Sorry ghost, xpost.
Thank you for taking the time to read. I would really really love to go NC, but just don't know how I would do it. I don't want to open myself up to them to tell how they make me feel. I don't feel they deserve to know anything of my pain. Does that make sense?

CantSayItAsMe · 22/01/2014 14:09

As the name suggests I've had to nc for this.

My parents are just plain odd in this way. My father doesn't know how to show love so tends to do it by buying stuff, though he is a nicer person when my mother isn't around.

It's hard trying to explain what my mum is like. I think she'd say we have a great relationship and are close and talk all the time. Yet, I know we're really not close and that person she talks to is the made up person she wants me to be Sad. I'm the much wanted golden child who isn't allowed to be anything less than perfect. If I have a bad day I can't show it to them, if I do something that isn't good enough they pretend that it's better than it was (e.g. mum tells people I have a better degree than I have). I've struggled as an adult because in a way I've been trained to make out nothing ever goes wrong and I think people see me as looking down at them. I also can't ask for help for similar reasons.

Like many of you I'm noticing the extent of it as my own children grow up. I've seen Dh tell people about silly mistakes he's made and daft things he's done (little everyday things, like leaving a bank card in the machine at a shop or similar) and each time I think how I wouldn't have done that. I'd have kept it quiet and hoped nobody found out. But everyone likes him and I'm the one that hasn't got many friends. In the last few weeks, when it's been relevant, I've mentioned mistakes I've made and each time it's turned into a chat and that's when I realise that I'm the odd, broken, damaged one.

I read the relationships threads on here and I have the loveliest DH in the world (he is always there for me and he's the one person I can say anything to eventually, I sometimes have to build myself up to it ) but I know that it's down to luck. I can so easily see how I could have ended up in the same position as so many of them. I know that I wouldn't leave because I couldn't face telling my parents or showing the world my relationship was anything less than perfect.

CraftyBuddhist · 22/01/2014 14:13

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Mumto3dc · 22/01/2014 14:18

hi craftybuddhist and thanks for your words.
Great that you found your dh! Yes, to breaking free from the past!

CantSayItAsMe · 22/01/2014 14:18

Crafty That's something I struggle with. I treat my dc as individual people (one prefers cuddles, the other prefers to sit and talk) and I try to make sure they know I love them no matter what. I know that when I'm tired or stressed I slip into being that person my mum was because it's so...I don't know....familiar? normal (to me)? entrenched (in me)?

beingacow · 22/01/2014 14:20

I'm so sad to read your stories, but they have really struck a chord with me and made me reassess my childhood. If you asked me, I usually would say that my childhood was fairly happy, parents were loving and generally kind, and I wasn't abused or neglected in any way. But, in reality, they gave me little or no real support, and anything difficult or uncomfortable, or not on their terms was swiftly swept under the carpet. I was an only child. My mother was (and still is) rather like how Mumto3dc described hers: she would create characters from people but never really seemed to understand that anyone other than her is actually real. She worked, but was hugely sheltered, never having to pay a bill or deal with anything in the world. My dad was popular, one of the lads, successful, funny, and I adored him (still do), but he didn't really talk about emotions, and found it easiest to buy into my mum's fantasy world-view.
A
ll this meant that I was left to my own devices. I was not a happy child. I was bullied at school as I didn't really fit in, and they did nothing to help me deal with it constructively. So I dealt with it by becoming a bit of a rebel, unsuitable boyfriends, a bit of self harm that was never addressed, smoking; low level stuff but none of it was ever noticed. Or if it was, it was never acknowledged. I was treated very badly by a string of boyfriends, all of whom were older than me, and my parents did nothing to protect me even though at 17 I was still pretty much a child.
I did ok, got to university and worked hard. They were only proud of me when I was passing exams, which I was good at. Nothing else seemed to matter. I had no support or advice about finding a career, and as I effectively left home as soon as I finished school, I was "out of sight out of mind".

My parents laid on a lavish wedding for me, despite (as I subsequently learned), having reservations about my (now ex) husband. It was keeping up appearances, and if we had been able to talk about anything, I could have told them why I was marrying him and maybe they could have helped me not to do it. When we split up after years of emotional abuse, it took me months to tell my parents. I was terrified of disappointing them.

Small things, like at school I was captain of the hockey team and we won county titles. A few years ago my dad made a comment in front of some friends about how useless at sports I was at school! As though his construction of my childhood was completely different from what actually happened.

Fast forward to now: I know I have problems processing emotions. I'm either too emotional for the wrong reasons, or not emotional enough about things that really matter. I deal terribly with rejection, and have to constantly battle with myself not to sabotage my relationships through expecting emotional withdrawal. I had that from my ex husband, and from my parents I have learned that they loved the image of me that they created more than the reality of me, which could never live up to the perfect image. So I was never good enough for them, leading me to believe that I can never be good enough for anyone else. It is draining, and I know my current partner finds that part of me very difficult to cope with.

SwimmingClose · 22/01/2014 14:20

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ghostinthecanvas · 22/01/2014 14:21

First of all, you are not stupid. People won't be thinking that. They may have a different view to yours. You need to start realising and remembering that. God, listen to me, all well - rounded!

It makes sense that you don't want to open up to them. Would less contact be a start? A gradual phasing out? I bet there are others here who could give more advice. I went no contact after I exploded. I never recognised myself, never knew I was so angry. I am an adult ffs, they had no right to make me feel the way I did. Felt I had sunk to their level though....not my best moment. It was also spectacular! My dad was Shock Shock i am secretly a little proud too!

Leverette · 22/01/2014 14:21

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

beingacow · 22/01/2014 14:24

CantSayItAsMe: spot on about your mum talking to the person she wants you to be, rather than you as you are. Mine is the same, and she too would say that we had a good relationship. We do talk, but I would never raise anything that could be construed as negative in any way. And I totally empathise with struggling with admitting mistakes. I can't do that either. If I do make a normal mistake I react out of all proportion because it cracks the image of the "perfect" me that is what they want to see.

CraftyBuddhist · 22/01/2014 14:25

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Fifyfomum · 22/01/2014 14:26

I find it difficult to feel free to be excited about things, anything I was passionate about was used against me or to mock me so it is difficult for me to share joy.

Because of this I am very secretive about the music I listen to or the films I watch.

I don't trust anyone, I just have my husband and my kids and I find it very hard to trust anyone else at all.

Leverette · 22/01/2014 14:29

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

SwimmingClose · 22/01/2014 14:30

I am often secretive about the things I love most. Books, films, music. Ironically I feel so intensely passionate about them ... but I am scared not understood...

CantSayItAsMe · 22/01/2014 14:31

beingacow "If I do make a normal mistake I react out of all proportion"

Totally this. I struggle so much with anxiety and I think a lot of it is down to knowing that the slightest mistake or problem will affect me so much. At its worst I was pretty much agoraphobic because my brain went into overdrive with all the tiny things that could happen.

ghostinthecanvas · 22/01/2014 14:32

That was to Mumto3dc
blimey it's got busy. I for one am feeling a bit more....determined I think. Making more effort to be positive, move forward with my DH. Try to be more honest about how i feel. I am plucking up courage to share a bit more but just thinking about some of it makes me cry. Better out than in tho'. I have learned that much over the last couple of days

CraftyBuddhist · 22/01/2014 14:34

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Mumto3dc · 22/01/2014 14:35

Leverette, so Sad for you. How terribly you were let down...

It has always been at the back of my mind that I know my parents would've reacted the same as yours if anything like that had happened to me. They simply would not have wanted to acknowledge that something bad had happened. They allowed me to be in deeply risky situations as a child without worrying about me at all. What I took at the time to be a laid back attitude, I now, as a parent, see as simply neglectful and not caring.

How horrible that your counsellor did not understand you.... I hope you keep sharing here. I have learnt so much about my own life from reading threads on mumsnet. Thanks all.

Wow ghost!!!!!! Yay you on standing up to your parents!!! I totally understand re the rage. I do feel if I once said one thing to my mum I just would never be able to stop. The rage and bitterness I feel towards her is immense.

I have reduced contact quite a lot, basically it was mostly my efforts and I have pretty much stopped putting in the effort. Periodically they ring up to meet - always, always last minute because they fit it in with their own plans...... - and I always jump.

I think I will stop jumping... And you have made me seriously consider NC, I think I've always worried it was an overreaction...

Leverette · 22/01/2014 14:35

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.