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Shaking and feel sick

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PurplePest · 10/01/2014 14:21

Hello,

Apologies if this is rambling or all over the place but that's exactly what my head's like at the moment.

I don't post often at all but I'm a super regular lurker and find Mumsnet fab and full of great advice and info.

I am 38 and have a DD aged 5yo. We live with my 'partner' who is DD's Daddy. We've had a colourful past (but nothing hugely out of the ordinary) and broke up in 2007 (then I found out I was pregnant). DD and I stayed in the house until April 2009 and then moved out until Summer 2011. We - Mummy and daddy - seemed to getting along just fine. The reason for this split was a mixture of several things but instigated by my 'D'P. He said I didn't support him enough primarily. His Mum has vascular dementia and 'we' were the main carers. He also has two DS's from previous relationships so we were either looking after Mum or Ds's! But I feel I played my role very well and tried to be a good SM and almost-DIL.

Conversations, instigated by P whenever we were together, centred around getting back together, getting married, having more kids, being a family. Eventually, I bit the bullet and went back. Things on the whole have been good. We've lost three babies (February 2012 @ 14 weeks, February 2013 @16 weeks and July 2013 @9 weeks) and have supported one another well. I had a down period where it all got to me throughout October and November 2013 but came through it.

I had a period of time where I found some emails and texts (call it female intuition / gut instinct) and I addressed this with him in February 2012). Sorted. Or so I thought. He was adamant that he would stop any inappropriate texting / communicating etc.

For about 18 months I felt happy and didn't feel the need to snoop.

Moving forward to October 2013 - I needed to check my mobile phone charges as there were extra charges on the bill. Whilst looking innocently at the data, I noticed calls to a new number early in the morning, every morning, whilst he was on his way to work. And on his way back home. And whenever I wasn't at home / away for the weekend or overnight. Three calls to this number that totalled about 3 hours and the calls were made in the middle of the night. I was away.

I didn't say anything as didn't have the energy and wanted to see how things panned out.

'D'P is always a good, fun Daddy, found a decent paying job (was unemployed after redundancy for 18 months) and was loving towards me.

But - I've had this niggling feeling ever since and feel like I can't trust him. Still. So yesterday evening, he went to the gym after closing down his Yahoo page. When he left I went to see if there was a slim chance he'd not logged out. He hadn't. Emails to about three different women completely overstepping boundaries. Let's meet up for drinks, miss you, compliments, flirting, mildly sexual at times.

But the icing on the cake for me? I took in a 'friend' and her DS (friends with my DD and same age as her) who had split from her boyfriend and was in a dark place. Depressed and anxious and on a cocktail of AD's. 'We' helped her through it all. She ended up staying a year in total (August 2012 until August 2013). I had issues with 'D'P' and her being too close for my liking. On one hand he would tell me how terrible she was, bad mother, neglectful, irresponsible etc. But on the other hand they spent lots of time together whilst I was away. Away being for work or visiting friends or my Mum which I do often with my DD. He used to make me out to be nuts and losing the plot in terms of how I felt about their 'friendship'. I left it at that as there was too much going on in my head re my baby losses.

Emails between 'D'P and this bint - the one I took in, supported, sat with, talked with, shared my home with - catching up with one another. But snippets of the emails (all directed by him / instigated by him) were: miss you, when are you in London next (she moved to Czech after an ugly court case which I accompanied her to!) as I would like to see you, when have you got time for me?, have you got space in your heart / head for missing me?, we lived under the same roof for a year and I grew close to you mentally and physically and talking about me too and how I was being at that particular time.
I have changed his password and have added his email account to my iphone so can access today and until he can change it. Have forwarded incriminating emails to my work email so I have them Have also made a note of any suspect email addresses..

I have taken my laptop and some clothes for me and DD and am heading over to my Mums after school pick up. I can't bear to see him. It was hard enough being 'normal' last night as didn't want it all disclosed then whilst DD was in the house. I'm back on Sunday evening. I have put a friend on standby to have DD should I decide to talk to him.

He doesn't know I know yet but I am going to send him a text later saying that I know about his shennanigans but need time and space to digest. I am also going to ask him to stay with a friend for the week next week although I'm pretty sure he won't.

The house is in both our names. We're not married but he keeps talking about how he wants to be married. We've been engaged since 2005!!! Obviously we had a break.

I am going to email the 'frienemy' to tell her I know. I know it's not sensible but I want her to know I know.

I have spoken with two RL friends. Was helpful but my head is in a spin! I don't want to tell my Mum yet and am scared about what the future holds. My DD is sooooooooooooooo happy with us both and I'm panicking at the thought of changing her life.

I'm shaking, at work, can't eat, feel sick and can't concentrate. Am leaving in half an hour though. Feel sick, sick, sick...it's the 'frienemy' that has thrown me completely off balance. Such betrayal from someone I considered a friend and went out of my way to help.

I don't know what to do next...I feel lost. He's messed everything up big time.

I don't think I can think of him the same ever again. I won't ever trust him or respect him as a man or partner. He's a great Daddy but hasn't he ever stopped to think how he would feel if someone was doing what he was doing to his DD?????????????

Sorry for the ramble but wanted to try and get as much info down as possible.

I won't be able to respond now for a while (not sure if I'll be able to today at all as at DM's and I really don't want her to know yet) but will be checking in soon.

Thank you for reading.

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PurplePest · 12/01/2014 09:48

Not I know I know. I'm too soft. That's why I'm where I am now! Sigh. I haven't responded yet but will soon saying I want him gone. He still won't go.

allergic you're spot on. He will want to analysis my snooping etc and question where his DD is etc. I don't feel obliged to tell him anything at the mo. I know we'll have to talk eventually but I don't want to tonight. I need my space and time.

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mammadiggingdeep · 12/01/2014 09:49

Hey...
Just read your thread...sorry you're going through this.

I agree- you're almost giving him a choice to go. Tell him to fuck off. Of he won't go, wait til he goes to work and put a bag on the front door step. 'Our home'.... He wasn't thinking like that when he was up to no good with your 'friend' in your house....

Dinnaeknowshitfromclay · 12/01/2014 09:50

Don't buckle, he's a turd. I wouldn't even/definitely would not be putting 'morning' in my texts as I would not give a shiney shite whether he has a good morning or not. It would be all about my DC and me from now on. Get angrier is what I am saying.

mammadiggingdeep · 12/01/2014 09:53

Yep...get angry.

Fairenuff · 12/01/2014 09:57

Do you both own the house jointly? If so, you cannot make him leave. If he won't go you will need to get legal advice.

One way of getting him out is to pretend that you might consider staying with him and working on the relationship. Tell him that you need some space whilst you think about it. Ask him to move out 'for a few days' so that you can have some thinking time.

If he falls for that, he will move out voluntarily, at least for a short while and this will give you time to start finding out how you can keep him out.

PurplePest · 12/01/2014 10:02

Thank you all. Yes I need to get angry but I am still in shock and hurting bad.

I've texted him back with this:
Did you read my text from Friday? Further explanation is not needed. That is explanation enough. A deal breaker. It is over. You broke our home when you went with the lodging frienemy. And the other emotional affairs you're having. Please go. I need space and time before we talk about moving forward with as little fallout as poss.

We own the house jointly and I know I can't make him leave. Will be trying to get some legal advice on Monday or Tuesday faire.

Thanks mamma and dinnae.

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Minime85 · 12/01/2014 10:10

he needs to have a very calmly delivered reality check. be factual on what he has done and why he should leave. I agree it sounds like he will try and talk you round.

its so hard when your world crashes around you and you are living this life you never thought would happen. I know what you mean about waking up and having to process it all. that does get easier. my situation not identical but ex and I separated all led by him.

but it does get easier honestly. you wake up and it doesn't feel so raw. and you do get enjoyment from things again. slowly but surely it will happen. and you start to see the positives of being on your own. (see lone parent thread for good one on positives of being a lone parent. )

in coming weeks see if anyone can give you a recommendation for a solicitor and go and find out where u stand, I found that invaluable.

hope your dd is ok too. how much does she realise is going on? Thanks

mammadiggingdeep · 12/01/2014 10:18

That reply text u sent is perfect. Calm. To the point. He cannot argue with that but be ready for him to try. He'll deny most likely and make u feel like you're going mad.

You will be fine. Be kind to yourself and get a good friend round if if helps. Glad you've had time with your mum this weekend and she's supportive.

MissScatterbrain · 12/01/2014 10:21

Poor you Sad

Stop doing all his chores - washing, cooking, shopping etc.

Get legal advice about how to get him to leave.

Once he realises you won't shut up about his cheating behaviour, he is more likely to go.

PurplePest · 12/01/2014 11:07

It's now getting messy. I've made it clear in two texts that it is over and he's carrying on like normal. Washing on, popping to gym, when are we (DD and I) coming home etc. When I reiterated that we are over he sent a long ares angry text saying I'm not clean in all this, if I was happy I wouldn't have invaded his privacy, I've always wanted an excuse to leave, things will get messy, I didn't ever support him through the loss of our babies. He supported me. He wrote yes I fucked someone but no one died. Lots more. I 'm in for a hard time tonight. And he won't go.

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PurplePest · 12/01/2014 11:07

Thank you for your messages. Please don't think me rude if I don't respond to all of them at the mo...head us spinning...

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Allergictoironing · 12/01/2014 11:19

Ah so following the script again - it's all your fault he couldn't keep his dick to himself, and that catching him out is a worse crime than him actually doing something.

I am Shock that anyone can believe that the father needs as much support as the mother after a miscarriage, for purely biological reasons if nothing else, but then again just more proof that he is even more self centred and self entitled than you thought.

Take " things will get messy" as a threat; he's going to make everything as painful and difficult for you as he possibly can. In revenge for you finding him out & showing him up, if nothing else.

Fairenuff · 12/01/2014 11:24

Let him rant away and keep the texts. He has admitted infidelity, in writing. Do not respond but let him dig himself into a deeper hole.

Now. One thing at a time. Mumsnet is here to support you. In whatever you decide to do. You do not have to decide everything right now.

Look after yourself. Eat and rest as much as you can. You have real life support from your family. You have done nothing wrong. You are in a strong position.

He is flailing around because he knows he doesn't have a leg to stand on. Do you have to go back home today? What about waiting until he is at work?

Minime85 · 12/01/2014 11:34

never worry about not replying. as previous poster said mnet here to support u. it will probably get messy and you will go through loads of stages with it all, but it will get better. it will be worth it.

again as already said by another poster u don't have to make any huge decisions yet. no rush. give yourself time to process it all x

nopanicandverylittleanxiety · 12/01/2014 11:56

Stay strong. It will be worth it in the long run.

I would take pleasantries out of texts. Leave them as civil but crystal clear that things have changed and you won't be worked on or talked round. Don't engage in arguments with him. You seriously don't need to defend yourself to him; he has behaved in a way that totally negates that.

I would think about staying elsewhere just until you have received legal advice and have a definite plan you can stick to.

I think you love who you thought he was. That will go in time when the new reality of who he is actually sinks in. It did for me.

Meerka · 12/01/2014 11:58

I would say don't get drawn into discussion or into anything but calmly repeating that you want him to leave, that he cheated and you want him out of your life. Getting drawn into discussion will let him string it out and spin it into a web of lies.

Keep the texts yes!

And solicitor tomorrow.

MissScatterbrain · 12/01/2014 12:16

Urgh - his reaction is to threaten you by saying things will get messy - not a thought for his DC. Its all me, me, me isn't he?

People like him can't take responsibility for their actions, hence the blaming you. Talk about scraping the barrel when he says you weren't supportive enough when you lost your babies FFS!!

NumptyNameChange · 12/01/2014 12:27

gross! utterly gross human being.

acknowledging he cheated but so what and it's all your fault anyway.

keep the text.

god i'm so sorry.

fifi669 · 12/01/2014 12:43

What a knob.

Pollydon · 12/01/2014 12:50

Stay strong op, sending my best Flowers

desperatelyseekingsolace · 12/01/2014 13:03

Purple I am sorry, this must be very painful for you. I would say his callousness is shocking only it's not because my H behaved like this. But you are right to stand your ground. Whatever the future holds for you, you will not gain anything by caving in now.

Crowler · 12/01/2014 14:17

Purple, thinking of you. Stay strong. What a wanker he is - don't engage. There's nothing scarier than a person who is calm, silent and angry.

JuliaScurr · 12/01/2014 14:28

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bouquetofpencils · 12/01/2014 14:55

Hi Purple. I hope you are getting past feeling that you have "failed". In my experience I feel like this when my confidence has been knocked. You had really good intentions going back. He is the knobber who has failed you and your daughter.
He sounds like someone who is very good at justifying his actions, is very unself-aware and is unable to admit he has made a mistake. Unlikely to ever change. Be glad you have found out now.
Bloody pain in the arse having to deal with the practicalities, when you are already drained. One day at a time, break it down into small bits, grab fun and laughter where you can and be kind to yourself. Hard to eat when in a crisis sometimes. Set yourself small goals and be proud of yourself x

newlifeforme · 12/01/2014 15:47

I feel for you, him admitting an affair must be such a head fuck, having your worst fears confirmed.He is invalidating your feelings and blaming you.I guess you are still in shock trying to process the end of your relationship.Remember he has been hiding this from you and is therefore more mentally prepared.He has probably thought through responses and he is certainly on the 'attack is the best defense' strategy.

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