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Would you want to LTB?

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Nottynosey · 11/12/2013 16:44

After a final argument about a sodding packet of biscuits, I told H I wanted him to leave on Sunday. I've had enough of his selfishness, moods and the way he treats me. This has been a slow burner for me, its been simmering since I got pregnant with DD (3).

He wants me to give it one more try. Says I must accept responsibility too. He thinks I have done this because of my interpretation of events and my version of the last three years is not based on facts and its about how I feel. He says we have had a stressful few years and his behaviour is not the reason our relationship is failing.

I accept we have had pressure, which any young family in a recession have, but this is not why I want out.

I know I don't have to justify yourself, but I feel like I do, to myself more than anything. So please tell me, would you LTB or give him another chance (he has already had a fair few)...

I will stick to the facts and undeniable events rather then feelings, but here is a mere snapshot

  • When I was pregnant, he would roll his eyes whenever I mentioned a symptom or spoke about it, saying I was moaning and he wasn't going to give me attention
  • On the night I went into labour, I was contracting on the floor and he had his head under pillow on the bed trying to sleep and told me to be quiet cos neighbours would hear.
  • My friends who gave birth around the same time all got given gifts by their partners, he told me he wasn't going to buy me anything because nobody would buy him anything and its not fair because he can't give birth
  • Never helped with nights and wouldn't even give me a lie in on my 30th birthday
  • If DD was clingy with me, he would say I was doing it deliberately
  • He rejected me sexually for 18 months because he preferred porn
  • After we did have sex, I tried to talk about if things were different down there after childbirth as I was concerned and he refused to discuss it because it was gross.
  • after another time he said the sex had been hard work and complained about something I had done during foreplay. I've not done it since.
  • Didn't want to help when we moved house so booked in extra work. The day before the move, DD and I both got a stomach bug and he refused to help pack
  • Would get home from work at 2am and wake me by putting TV on, typing with laptop on his knee and playing music in bed next to me and wouldn't stop so I'd have to go to spare room
  • The night before we went on holiday, started an almighty row because I hadn't finished packing when he got in from work (I'd been working too)
  • Would give me silent treatment whenever I went out (very rare)
  • Very moody and often sits on the settee in silence after a bad day at work
  • If I ever tried to talk about things would eye roll, call me a nag or just sit in silence. Or tell me I was being unfair by bringing something up, he said he was sorry and that is the end if it
  • Ruins every night/day out we have with an illness or constant complaining
  • Has lost all his friends and won't entertain the idea of any social life
  • Sits and watches telly and calls some of the women fat pigs and other foul names, which I really hate
  • When we went away with his family, DD didnt sleep for two nights, screamed a lot of the time. I wanted to go home a day early as we were exhausted but he refused to upset his mother
  • When I told him I felt so low I had been given anti depressants by the doctor and was wondering whether to start taking them, he didn't ever mention it again
  • Always trying to stop me eat/drink nice things. He can't cope with too much fun or indulgence. So on Sunday when he wouldn't let me open a packet of biscuits I snapped.

There's more, so much more.
Does it sound like the kind of thing you should be able to work through?

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MerryFuckingChristmas · 11/12/2013 23:32

Of course he is superpartner/superdad in front of other people. It is so he can slag you off to them and they will believe him, and you will feel smaller still. Why are you minimising this ? For financial reasons ? You would be better getting ripped off by Wonga.com than this twat.

Nottynosey · 11/12/2013 23:33

Yes I always think all of those things. Even now really. I've not put it in the emotional abuse bracket because I thought there couldn't be intent behind it, or not all of it.

The last couple of days though, now he has switched from most devastated man ever to weird couch physiologist manipulator man, I've been thinking he knows what he's doing

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Nottynosey · 11/12/2013 23:35

I didn't mean to minimise it. It's all happened really slowly I think. And I did love him. I really don't now

I just don't know how I'm going to keep him away until January.

But yes, I do need him financially until then. That's when I get my first wages and I've just applied for tax credits

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MerryFuckingChristmas · 11/12/2013 23:37

Speak to your family about a short term loan and tell him to take a fucking running jump.

cls77 · 11/12/2013 23:47

I slept on the sofa too! We had our own business and I got three days maternity before he wanted me back to work. Like others have said having no money for a couple of weeks will be much better than the situation as it is, be prepared for a mass family production from his end too, they're experts at it and will do whatever they can to make them look the victim and you the enemy. You are doing the right thing, just be strong .

waltermittymissus · 11/12/2013 23:47

That's what they do though. They do it slowly and subtly until you feel like you're losing your mind!

Look, January is not that far away. You have a plan. You will have money.

If you absolutely can't leave (stay with family?) then keep your head down and continue to make your plans.

Keep posting here. DON'T back down. DON'T go to counselling if he suggests it as he will only use it to manipulate him.

Stay strong! And remember all the reasons you want to leave.

Nottynosey · 11/12/2013 23:48

Not an option unfortunately, there's only my mum and my brother. Both skint.

I've got a little bit to live on but not enough for a deposit yet, that'll be in a few weeks.

He has already said he wants to vet where I am taking DD and i definitely won't be able to afford anything up to his standards. I won't listen to him but its just going to be more headaches

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cjel · 11/12/2013 23:49

Hope you can stick to that resolve and not let him have any say about where you live, Get your legal advice and it will help you feel stronger by the dayxx

Nottynosey · 11/12/2013 23:51

I will thank you.

Stay strong! New mantra. If things get desperate I'll pack us off to my mums.

cls that sounds horrendous!

It's weird they all follow a predictable pattern

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MatildaWhispers · 11/12/2013 23:51

It is emotional abuse, he is controlling you and trying to confuse you with his words. Talk of "your version of the truth" is trying to make you doubt your own mind. You sound like a very strong person though, so make your plans for January. Congratulations on getting the job. Make sure you always log out of MN.

cls77 · 11/12/2013 23:52

Notty yep! You can do this though, it will be ok and you will be so glad you did it while DC was young x

waltermittymissus · 11/12/2013 23:52

So go along with it.

"Of course you can vet it"

Then, when you can; off you go!

Nottynosey · 11/12/2013 23:52

He has suggested counselling and we actually have a session booked. I actually thought it would be a good place to talk without being eye rolled at.

Cancel?

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waltermittymissus · 11/12/2013 23:53

YOU CAN DO IT!!! :)

cjel · 11/12/2013 23:54

If you feel you can put up with an hour of him running you down and then be strong enough to have him rehash it all week then go. I'd advise to cancel.

Nottynosey · 11/12/2013 23:55

Grin Wine Thanks

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Nottynosey · 11/12/2013 23:57

I'll try to cancel. Christ, telling him that is going to be an ordeal in itself.

I know, I know, don't engage. Ugh, it's so hard

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Lweji · 11/12/2013 23:59

You could go to the session and roll with it. Watch him do his act and smile sweetly.
You could mention some of the items on the list and watch the counsellor's face. It might be interesting.

clam · 12/12/2013 00:03

You don't need his permission to not want to be married to him anymore.
Don't let him mess with your mind anymore with nonsense about 'perceptions' and 'choices' and 'versions of events.' It's just clouding the issue, which is that he's a miserable old git who has sucked the life out of you and is, at times, just plain nasty.

Good luck with it all.

Nottynosey · 12/12/2013 00:04

Do they ever come off the fence?

The reason I agreed to go was to buy myself a bit of time really, in the hope he'd lay off a bit until I had had time to get everything sorted.

He is really keen which makes me wonder that he might be up to something. But I could use going as a bit of bargaining tool to stop him mithering so much in the meantime.

I'll see what happens in the next couple of days and decide then

Thanks

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waltermittymissus · 12/12/2013 00:04

I would strongly urge you to cancel.

He will use anything even remotely negative that the counsellor says against you and throw it at you constantly.

He will manipulate the session and probably have an uncanny ability to get the counsellor 'on side'.

It's not worth putting yourself through the emotional wringer. He's done enough of that!

Nottynosey · 12/12/2013 00:08

Ugh dilemma! I wish one of you were here tomorrow to tell him to fuck off for me!

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Lweji · 12/12/2013 00:08

Or not cancel as such, but postpone it, until you leave.

waltermittymissus · 12/12/2013 00:11

You don't need us, Notty because the blinkers are starting to come off and you've found the strength to say enough.

That's huge and shows how strong you are. Now just...

STAY STRONG! Wink

Nottynosey · 12/12/2013 00:11

Yes. I could postpone because of work. Theyre not likely to have many slots before Christmas now so I'll reschedule for new year.

I like your thinking

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