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My relationship (long sorry)

637 replies

Packupyourtroubles · 10/12/2013 19:15

Hi
I posted on chat about what I now know to be 'gaslighting' that my partner does. I was advised to start a thread in relationships.
Last night I was reading a thread and went to reply thinking 'how would I feel in this situation' then realised that actually I have been many times.

Since then it's like the floodgates have opened and I'm realising just how dysfunctional my relationship is.

I met my partner 6 years ago aged 17. He was my first love, etc.
when we first got together I was confident, sure of myself and my values, and knew what I would and would not stand for. Since then I feel I have lost every element of myself.

He is aggressive in words and actions. He has shaken me at times and once a few weeks ago slapped me. Most of the time he just punches objects- the dashboard in my car for example, so not hurting me.

He will always, after an argument say 'why did you make me say/do whatever'. I always end up apologising purely so I am not making him angry any more.

If there is something I don't like, for example he talks to lots of females, has stayed the night at their houses- he will say 'I don't have male friends, do you want me to have no friends'- and I will end up agreeing with him, or I make a point and he twists it so much I have no idea what I was trying to say in the first place.

He has cheated on me but I forgave him both times and he did seem to change his behaviour but now I'm realising he probably didn't.

He has sex with me knowing I don't want to, he is controlling and insists I see him every day and wants me to do sexual things I am not comfortable with. I have sort of given up saying no so I realise I am to blame for that.

I got pregnant a year ago and he insisted on me having an abortion. I wanted to keep the baby and know that before I was with him I would not have let anyone tell me what I could or could not do but I didn't question him.

Just for some background we don't live together as I look after my DNephew full time. I care for my partners mum but not full time. We have a joint account and loans but no mortgage etc.

There is probably more that I have left out. I am not sure what I am asking. I feel like I am to blame for a lot of this. I can't see a way out, I cannot imagine a life without him, and at the same time all I want is to be by myself. Since the first realisation last night it has all been pouring into my mind- memories I didn't know I had. I feel terrified but also as if my eyes have been opened- but I can't work out what's next.

Sorry for length

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Dinkydoos · 13/12/2013 22:36

Pickup, you have really done so very well with all this, there will be people reading this and you will be giving them courage and strength to break out.
You have done the worst bit, somewhere hidden inside you will be that tiny tiny feeling of relief. You do not have to spend your life miserable with this man. And you have now been amazing and done the first steps! If you read these boards and stories you will know these amazing women have gone through similar and that is why they speak so well and wisely. And they are now happy, like you can be.
You sound like such a great person, you have a life that you can live happily, please take this chance, you've done the worst bit, just keep going one step at a time, and soon things will start looking better.
I know you are worrying about whether he has been charged or whatever, and I understand that this makes you sad. But he needs to be, it's the ony way you can make sure he knows to stay away.
Anyway, can you make yourself some tea and toast and maybe do a bit of browsing of some light hearted threads, or even try and find a bun fight on here to raise your eyebrows at?!! Maybe a little distraction will help
Unmumsnetty hugs.

cjel · 13/12/2013 22:44

I think that you are not as bad as you think because you have had a lot of imput into your dns life and he wouldn't be lovely if he had spent time with the person you are saying you are.

you are not not not Bad, selfish and shit.

nobeer · 13/12/2013 22:46

NO Pack! You are kind, loving and good. That's evident in how you care for your DN.
I think you need to watch some silly comedy on TV or youtube to distract yourself from the noise outside. It's probably nothing but you're just hyper aware of everything because you've got so much adrenalin flowing round you. Take care, you've got friends from all over the world on here worrying about you, and wanting the best for you.

Madratlady · 13/12/2013 22:47

Since you sound like you put others before yourself most of the time (which is the exact opposite of being selfish) then you could also look at this as being helpful for your DN. He won't have to see you abused and downtrodden. Even if you shielded him from the abuse then he would pick up on some of how you feel.

Packupyourtroubles · 13/12/2013 22:49

I am reading you are all so lovely it is undeserved,
There are people fighting outside and I'm to scared to look, i feel like a shell of a person. I don't know how to be without him

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Tuhlulah · 13/12/2013 23:03

Look, all normal people are a mixture of selfish and selfless, of good and kind, and mean and bad -usually all on the same day. There is some Jewish joke that I can't remember about a Rabbi who says he spoke to a man who was madly in love with his wife, he spoke to a man who had several mistresses, a man who was a hero, a man who was a coward, a man who was a glutton, a man who was (the opposite of a glutton, too tired to think), a man who was a miser, a man who was generous. Hw do you see so many men in one day, he is asked. It was the same man, replies the Rabbi.

Even people who are convicted of the most dreadful crimes must be treated with respect and must be allowed dignity. So why are you not?

You are kind -you have been caring for the ex-bastard's mother for 2 years. You have cared for your DN for 5 years. You work in a caring profession? You are, I would hazard a guess, kind (most of the time, like the rest of us flawed human beings).

You are entitled to be treated with respect. You are entitled not to be hit/raped/intimidated/punched/slapped/demeaned/humiliated.

You might do bad things sometimes (I do, and to the people I love the most too) but that doesn't make you bad.

And if for one minute you are thinking you are bad because you told the police what this little wanker has done to you -you are wrong. You are not seeing clearly, and I hate to say this because as I say, I know that's how he operated on you.

Ask yourself what you would like to be in 5 years, where you would like to be, with whom. And then work on it. In the next few days you are going to find a way to move on without this little wanker in your life. It will be scary, and this is why you need to get an injunction. But then, in a short time, you can get on with the rest of your life.

Life is scary for all of us. Many of us have imperfect partners, children who can be vile and selfish, people who disrespect us or who don't love us, or who dump us even though we love them. That is normal life, that is the human condition. But this is not what you have been living. What you experienced was the manipulation of a vile little man who has made you doubt yourself. You said when you were 17, 18, you were confident and knew what you wanted and where you were going. Were you bad and shit and weak then? Or did something intervene- like meeting a man who got his kicks from humiliating you.

I once had a boyfriend a bit like this (nowhere near as bad). He ruined my confidence -for ever, actually, if I am honest. I thought his good opinion was so worth having -and when I think of him now, I cannot believe it. He's just a loser, he was intimidated by me, attracted to me because I was so confident and mouthy and cocksure, and it gave him pleasure to gradually erode my confidence and put me in my place. Hah! Survival is the best revenge. And do you know what, i am sure I saw a photo of him on CrimeStoppers, wanted for doing a robbery. THAT'S how successful his life became!!!!! He had it all, the moves and the talk -but that's all he had, talk and an insecurity complex. He talked a good fight and is probably back in prison where he belongs. And me -I eventually found a prince but I kissed way too many frogs.

After this, you can get on with having normal experiences with people. Some will hurt (as you know, but not like this) and others will give you joy. One day you will hopefully have a child. But you cannot move on to that until you get this little pipsqueak out of your life.

And hopefully having therapy for the cutting will help you with issues of esteem. But that's another conversation for another day.

I am going to bed. Good night and I hope you get some sleep.

XX

Jux · 13/12/2013 23:04

No. You are not bad. You are not selfish. You are not shit. No.

If you were selfish you would not have given your nephew a home. You would not have even thought of making him cakes. There are things you wanted to do with your dn - which were all things he loves like making a big den. I used to do that with dd - it's not something you do for yourself, you do it because a child loves it and you love them. That's not selfish.

And all those things you have done for your nephew are things which you don't do if you're shit. You don't do those things if you're bad.

Can you see that there's a whole world of difference between your actual behaviour, and what you feel about yourself? I am so glad you'll get the psychotherapy reinstated. You are a poor wee wounded creature; you need help to learn to love yourself. Thanks

Dinkydoos · 13/12/2013 23:06

A shell!! Flipping heck, you are the star in your DN's life, you are a manager at work and you can write so eloquently on here. And do you know what else? You did it. You left the twat. You knew you needed to and you just went and did it.
You are awesome! My God, when you channel some of this awesomeness into making yourself happy, you are going to have a great life. And that is the TRUTH!
But it's baby steps, don't think beyond this evening. You can make it till morning without him, yes? And let's just keep it at that for the minute if we have to. Like giving up fags!
Now, where's those distracting threads?!! :)

alphabook · 13/12/2013 23:11

You're not a shell of a person, you're someone who has always been held back from figuring out who you really are, from having your own thoughts and desires and having the freedom to do what you want to do. You're at the start an exciting new chapter, even if you don't realise it yet and right now it just seems terrifying.

You have been conditioned by this man to believe that you are worthless, that you don't deserve anything good or to be happy. You may not believe it right now, but you are a good, kind, loving, brave and strong person.

thing1andthing2 · 14/12/2013 08:29

How are you this morning, pack up?

Packupyourtroubles · 14/12/2013 09:01

All night I've been reading your lovely messages. You have all said similar things and so I'm trying to believe it all.
I am quite calm this morning although in lots of pain fr some reason.
I can't believe that I miss him, I don't understand what's going on. All I wanted was to be away from him, but now I miss him.
I don't understand myself. I hate to be like this, I'm really sorry.
I spoke to my nephew and he has Been invited to his cousins for the week. So I am going to be by myself but I guess that is better
Sorry I don't think I've made much sense at all

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Vivacia · 14/12/2013 09:23

Do you think there's a chance you may have been so manipulated by this man that you don't know which way is up? It does sound as though you were very controlled (giving him your earnings, signing up for loans, providing free care for his mother and that's without going on to more serious issues around intimacy).

I think taking a week to yourself is a good idea. Can you take time off work? I like the idea of you 'hibernating' and taking time to heal and to nurture yourself.

Tuhlulah · 14/12/2013 09:40

It's Ok to feel you miss him. he got rid of everything in your life until all you had was him, and now he's not there. This is not rocket science. he made himself your everything, and now you are on your own.

Ask yourself what you actually miss. The rape? The slapping and shaking? The fear? The being undermined? The having to pay over your earnings and pay his debts? Do you miss the fear you felt on Friday night when you were scared to go home and there he was, waiting for you.

You can't see it yet because he replaced everything in your life and didn't even let you get care for your self-harming. He has left a big hole in your life but now you must work hard at filling this hole with positive things, positive people who will bring good things into your life.

Christmas is coming up and that's a hard time for many people, those with families and partners. DV is very high at this time of year. There will be lots of women married to men like this vile little fucker you have just left -but they can't leave- and they will be living in fear. You will not. You may feel hurt and alone BUT you are not going to be raped, beaten, intimidated, exploited and deliberately confused (I am thinking of the 'gaslighting').

This is normal. You feel lonely. You don't miss him. If you found the perfect man tomorrow (and I so hope you don't even think about entering into another relationship for a long time, you need to heal and your wounds are bigger then most) you would not miss the little shitbag.

Usually you are at his mums at the weekend. Your routine has been disrupted.

You must eat with strong painkillers, they are NOT good on an empty stomach.

eat some breakfast, drink something hot and sweet. Take your pills. Rest and then if you can go for a walk -if you can drive and have access to your car, drive away from your area and then go for a long walk. Get some fresh air.

Don't look back. That life is gone. You are your own person now.

XXXXXXXX

Packupyourtroubles · 14/12/2013 09:40

Hi vivacia
I was thinking about my day to day life when I was with him last night- I used to get up early, take my nephew to the childminders, go to his mums and help her out. Go to his and make him food, usually he would want sex too. It wasn't unknown for him to tell me I had to go home and change what I was wearing.
That's the morning, obviously.
And that was controlled, entirely, by him. I didn't want my nephew to have to be at a childminders if I could drop him to school, but my partner wanted me to come to his after his mums and I refused to have my nephew anywhere near him; besides, my partner didn't like having 'meddling little kids' around.
I feel sick that I put him before my nephew, I feel sick that I let him touch me. And then I swing back to missing him.
I think that I don't know how to be without him. He controlled what I ate, what I wear, how much I could spend and what on, who I spoke to, where I worked, when I could and could not wear make up. I do think that I don't know which was is up.

I want to be busy. I can't deal with my mind. I don't know how to do what I need to any more.
I'm sorry this is all over the place I hope it makes some sense

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Tuhlulah · 14/12/2013 09:45

God, your DN would have picked up on all of this!!!

You should talk to him, I think, about how this vile bastard made you do things you didn't feel you could stop, but that you realised you had to stand up to the bully. And that your life and your DN life will be so much better now.

And you will have better lives. That bastard, i could go and shake his fucking head off his shoulders.

XXXXXXX

Packupyourtroubles · 14/12/2013 09:46

Hi tuhlulah
I feel that I miss knowing what to do. I have little control over my own life, I don't know how to do the small things I need to. I miss him being in charge, but I think that's only because I don't know how to be in charge of my own life.
I am glad I am away, I just feel so confused.
I feel I want to be back there with him, because it was predictable, and I am in this unknown place. I don't know if that makes sense. Im sorry

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Tuhlulah · 14/12/2013 09:52

Don't be sorry. being sorry is what you did, felt. said when you were with him.

You have nothing to apologise about -TO ANYONE ANYMORE?

To the contrary -who has helped you with all this -not even your siblings. You have stood on your own two feet to stand up to a man who would have terrified me. I could have ended up in your shoes had I met the right (or wrong!) man.

It's hard learning how to do things for yourself. Many widows whose husbands have always been in charge feel like this at first when their husbands die. They have to learn how to pay the bills, get the car serviced, sort out tax payments/benefits, etc.

Think back to when you were 17, 18. You were coping then. You CAN and WILL again. Have faith in yourself and your own ability.

You have a painful hole. A bit like having a empty socket where a bad tooth has been extracted. The hole is full of squashy blood that feels like jelly and tastes disgusting. It might even hurt. But it's better than having the bad tooth which will infect all your good teeth.

have a nice day, PackUP. You are free. You are doing so well. You are an inspiration to all of us.

XXXX

nobeer · 14/12/2013 09:57

Good morning pack. Would it help writing a to do list? You can do what you like now, yes it's scary but you're in charge of your life now - and that's a good thing! You could also write a list of things you always wanted to do but he would never let you.

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PyroclasticFlo · 14/12/2013 09:59

Pack I've been following your thread and am de-lurking to say how amazed and astonished I am at your bravery.

You are waking up from a bad dream, and this new life is bound to be strange and scary and unknown. That's normal. Don't feel that you have to know what to do or have to do it perfectly. Take baby steps and be kind to yourself, treat yourself as you would treat your DN if he were in a similar situation - with lots of loving kindness and gentle reassurance.

If you need help to find your new way of doing things, you have so much support on this thread and so many people happy to help you. Just keep posting and asking questions and I'm sure everyone on here will be more than glad to help you navigate your way in this strange new world.

This is freedom. It's bound to be scary at first, because you've been in prison for so long. People who've been imprisoned for years often re-offend when they get out purely because they want to go back to the safety of their 'known' life in prison, the regime and routine that they're used to. That's why you miss him- you miss the feeling of a 'known' world, a predictable life. Freedom may feel strange now but slowly and surely, day by day, step by step, this will become your new 'known', a safe way to be, and you will be able to love your freedom.

I can't tell you how gobsmacked I am at how much you've put up with, and how brave and strong you have been to leave him. Well done. Really, really, well done. You will get stronger and stronger every day and you have so many people here willing you on and ready to lend a hand when you need one.

Flowers
Packupyourtroubles · 14/12/2013 10:01

He has been released on conditional bail I am terrified, I wasn't told until just now and he was released yesterday.
Does anyone know what happens next? Why has he been released? I'm so scared

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Tuhlulah · 14/12/2013 10:12

He is on bail and that bail will have conditions. Not approaching you is one of those conditions. If he comes near you, you must call the police immediately and he will be arrested and put back into prison, and then he won't get out, because he will be in breach of his bail conditions and also in contempt of court.

He probably said he is the sole carer for his mum, and that's why he is out.

Try not to worry. Call women's aid and they will explain to you better than I can.

Don't panic. If he approaches you now he will be in even bigger trouble and he will have been advised of this by his solicitor and the judge.

Vivacia · 14/12/2013 10:12

If you see him or hear from him, ring the police. I wouldn't even wait to consider "do I feel threatened?". Just ring 999.

Do you have a contact at the police you can ring for information? If not, ring the Domestic Violence unit and ask them what you can expect to happen next.

Dinkydoos · 14/12/2013 10:31

Packed, you are doing great, you are so string, but I know you don't feel like it.
Just think, you have done so many hours since you first came on here, those hours never have to be done again! Every hours that passes in this is another one done, and one less to do, if you see what I mean.
He won't come near you, he will have been severely warned about the consequences of that, but even if you see him just call the police as others have said.
Is it an option for you to go out for a while? How about treating yourself to a nice coffee in town with a magazine, and a bit of a browse round the shops. Maybe pick up something treaty from m and s or somewhere for tea? Just be nice to yourself, and try and get a bit of space in your head for you, you are so worth being lovely to!
I never post on these boards ever, but honestly you sound so lovely and I just know that you could have a happy life, if you can just manage to plough through these goddawfule few days. And listen to tallulah, that lady talks great sense!!

paulapantsdown · 14/12/2013 10:36

Morning Pack. Talulah is right, if he comes anywhere near you then he is in even deeper shit than he is now. If you catch sight of him, call 999.

Well today is a new day. He can't come near you, and you can do whatever you like. It must be so hard to even consider making decisions after being totally controlled by this tosser, and it is going to take hard work on your part to do this. Baby steps are what's needed. What would I like to eat? Shall I wear make up today? Etc.

How is your pain today after some rest? Have you eaten?