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shocked, sad and confused. (engagement related)

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namechange111 · 04/12/2013 14:16

I am a regular but have namechanged so i'm not outed.

Myself and my partner have been planning all year to get engaged. By planning I mean he said he would start saving for a ring. He has quite old fashioned views and wants an 'expensive' ring. I, on the other hand, couldn't give a shiny shite about the price. I'm not materialistic in the slightest. I would be quite happy to pop down the registry office with just close family and a small social club do after. But he wants the whole big shabang. Fair enough, we agreed to compromise.

We have had numerous conversations about it over the past year. All seemed fine...until last night.

The subject of weddings was brought up and I asked him if he had saved enough for the ring with it almost being the end of the year and all. It transpired that he hasn't saved up at all. Not only that but he now wants to put off the engagement. I have to admit I was taken aback and a bit hurt so I left it at that and went to sleep.

Today, I have been speaking with him and told him how hurt I am. Not only hurt but confused. He said he loves me more than anything and still wants to marry me, he was just having a wobbly. I asked what has brought all this on and he says it is because a few months ago his Step Sister broke up with her fiance, and he doesn't want that to happen to us Hmm.

I calmly explained to him that lots of people break up everyday for lots of different reasons. But none of that affects us in any which way. I said that if other peoples relationship troubles are affecting his own, then he obviously isn't ready or mature enough to make such a huge commitment. Also the fact that he is quite obviously insecure within our relationship would not been a good start to engagement.

Aside from that, his Step Sister's relationship ended only a couple of months ago. So if he truly planned to marry me why hadn't he been saving before that?

The whole thing has left me feeling very confused about our relationship and what we both want. Up until now I thought we were both on the same page. But obviously we are not. I am quite unsure of what to do now. I have said that getting engaged is now out of the question as it is unfair on both of us. But where do we go from here? For me, this has changed everything. I know marriage isn't the be all and end all, but I really was under the impression (after A LOT of marriage talk this year, we even went ring shopping together!) that this is what he wanted too. Especially since he was the person who first suggested engagement!

I know it's a very first world problem, i just really needed a rant. Sad

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expatinscotland · 04/12/2013 14:19

This person does not want to marry you. So YOU must decide if this is a deal breaker or not.

Helltotheno · 04/12/2013 14:21

I suppose you need to establish first whether marriage is what he wants at all (number 1) and if so, is marriage to you what he wants (number 2). It's probably more about marriage itself than engagement really isn't it, because we all know that engagements can go on for years without anything happening at the end.

If I were you, I'd ask him if he'd go down the register office with you next week with nobody... in other words, you really need to find the answers to 1 and 2.

Stick to your guns though. If marriage (as opposed to a wedding) is what you want and it's not what he wants, then there's an issue.

Middleagedmotheroftwo · 04/12/2013 14:21

You don't really need a ring to be engaged. So you don't have to wait until he's saved up - that's just a delaying tactic, whether or not he's actually saving.

It seems to me that he's got cold feet because of what's happened, but only you can decide whether you stick with the relationship on his terms or whether the lack of comittment is a deal breaker.

(sorry not a lot of help Sad)

Lweji · 04/12/2013 14:22

Carrot dangling springs to mind.

It seems that he's quite happy to be with you and keeps you hoping it will move towards greater commitment, while not quite going for it.

I'd be moving on.

freckledleopard · 04/12/2013 14:22

How long have you been together? If he knew you wanted marriage and he talked about engagement rings, weddings etc, then it's bloody cruel to do a U-turn on all of that. It might be that he's having a minor panic, but frankly it's hurtful that he's taking away what you thought was your shared future.

Whilst easier said than done, I'd put the ball firmly in his court and say that it seems you don't want the same things, then prepare to walk away. Call his bluff. If he lets you go, then he didn't want to get married in the first place. If he realises what a twat he's been and begs you to marry him, then you have the situation resolved!

SantasLittleLineRunner · 04/12/2013 14:23

I don't think it's 'first world problem' at all. This is your actual life and emotional happiness.

I think you need to try to find out a bit more about the real cause of the 'wobbly'.

And sorry that you feel so hurt. I would, too, in the same circumstances.

Thanks
sparklysilversequins · 04/12/2013 14:26

I think it's as simple as he didn't get round to saving up, he's embarrassed because he's aware that makes him look like a bit of a doughnut and is casting around for excuses to try and take the focus off the fact that he hasn't done what he said he would.

Curlysuewhataboutyou · 04/12/2013 14:44

How long are you together? From personal experience I would say that he's not ready for marriage or any serious commitment. If the price isn't an issue to you I would say that was the first sign he was stalling. Then havibg saved not one £ is the confirmation that he's not bothered. It is especially cruel that he never said anything and let you believe that you would have your dream soon.

You only found out because you asked him so he didn't & wasn't going to tell you. I think you need to take along hard think about the whole situation as it's easy to be side tracked & blinded by the person you love. My BF promised to marry me after 4 years together bought the ring and everything, would dangle it in front of me and then say he wanted to wait another few months. Those months turned in to another 4 years before I finally wised up and left him!

Good luck & be strong.

namechange111 · 04/12/2013 14:49

Not being able to commit is a deal breaker for me. I have a 4yr old son from a previous relationship and want more children so desperately. I want to be married before I have more children to try and avoid another failed relationship with a child.

Unfortunately, I have a health condition that makes it very hard for me to conceive. Then if I do conceive I have a very high possibility of miscarrying. My condition also means I may only have a few more years of fertility left.

So yes, commitment is massive for me because it also affects my chances of having another child.

So i'm torn. Do I stick around and hope that he comes around - thus potentially ruining my chances of having another child?
Or, do I move on and hope that someone comes along and i get my happy ending - which may not happen either?

I'm so confused Sad

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Helltotheno · 04/12/2013 14:59

I want to be married before I have more children to try and avoid another failed relationship with a child.

Marriages break up too OP. I think your motivation for wanting to be married is not quite right tbh.

It's hard to know what to say to you because but since you're putting all your happiness eggs into the basket of marriage, establish first whether he wants marriage at all (or to you) and move on if he doesn't.

wallypops · 04/12/2013 15:07

Marriage is absolutely NO insurance policy against any of the ills that you suffer from. In fact IMHO it is a complete red herring. Does this man want children with you (or at all)? Will he be a good dad? If that's a double yes, don't waste you remaining fertility on hanging out for 'the big day'.

Ask hell's registry office question - if the answer is yes - start ttc, if the answers no.... - ship him out.

Zucker · 04/12/2013 15:07

Sounds like he's just made it to the end of another year without having to propose or marry you.

You need to decide for you if this is goingn to be a yearly thing. Waiting for the special occasion for the rin to appear and it never does.

I have a friend who for the last 7 years on every possible occasion, ( birthdays, easter, valentines, summer holidays, halloween, Christmas),has herself geared up for the proposal. It hasn't appeared yet and this Christmas will be no different for her I'm afraid.

namechange111 · 04/12/2013 15:11

He says he does want to marry me and have a family with me. Which is why I am so confused.

Maybe he just isn't ready? But even if that is the case it still leaves me in the same position.

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aujordoui · 04/12/2013 15:16

I agree with sparkly

He took on board what you said and didn't bother saving for the ring and he's casting around for excuses. Maybe you are bothered about the price of the ring though? After all?

namechange111 · 04/12/2013 15:20

Sorry was on my phone and couldn't type too well.

Wanted to say that i do realise marriages break up too. But I want some form of commitment before I have another baby. So at least I know they are committed to me and expanding our family IYSWIM.

But the thing is now he has shown this insecurity? commitment dodging? whatever it is, i don't think t is a very good thing to base or start a marriage on.

I'm sorry I'm not sure I am making much sense, i'm still very upset.

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namechange111 · 04/12/2013 15:21

No not bothered about the ring. I've even sent him screenshots of rings of ebay (£10) throughout the year.

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LIZS · 04/12/2013 15:22

If getting engaged/married before a family is that important to you then he knows he isn't being fair by delaying indefinitely , especially since he didn't tell you . Sorry but I think this may be a deal breaker for you.

aujordoui · 04/12/2013 15:24

I'd ask him outright if he wants to be with you, tell him you'd rather him be honest as you don't want to waste any more time.

namechange111 · 04/12/2013 15:27

audordoui, I asked him that this morning. He was adamant he does love me and wants to be with me "more than anything".

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expatinscotland · 04/12/2013 15:28

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be married. He knows about your health condition and li tied fertility. Don't waste more time hanging around. Sorry, but this guy has just dangled you for a year. Bet you London to a brick, too, he is stalling about having a baby, too.

LIZS · 04/12/2013 15:29

What would his reaction be if you said you were thinking of setting a date at the registry office ?

Jan45 · 04/12/2013 15:30

I can completely understand your need for marriage before having another baby when you already have one from a previous relationship, it's the right way to go about it.

As for him, I don't think he's serious I'm afraid, sounds like he fobbed you off with the easy to do marriage and the bleating about wanting to get you an expensive ring when in reality, he hasn't even started saving up for it - there's your answer there.

Have a long frank chat with him, if he can't give you marriage then you will have to reconsider your options.

namechange111 · 04/12/2013 15:30

LIZS, I'm not sure. My first thought is that he wouldn't be too happy about it.

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sunbathe · 04/12/2013 15:31

How old are you both?
Sorry if I missed it.

Helltotheno · 04/12/2013 15:31

I've even sent him screenshots of rings of ebay (£10) throughout the year

Er... how often!?!?!? Grin

Look just call his bluff and tell him you want to book the register office straightaway and start trying for a child immediately. After all, that more or less is what you want isn't it? If he wants to be with you 'more than anything', it should be an easy matter to say yes to that shouldn't it?

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