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So, what do we think of Melanie Sykes now....

96 replies

GemmaTeller · 27/11/2013 22:37

....she's been arrested for domestic violence on her husband?

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qazxc · 28/11/2013 12:46

I think the same as whenever i hear of an abusive relationship. I hope the OH (in this case husband) leaves them and rebuild their lives.
There is no excuse for domestic violence, it's despicable.

AmberLeaf · 28/11/2013 12:59

To be clear, as a lesbian survivor of DV I'm certainly v aware that women can and do commit straightforward abuse. But the circumstances are proportionately more often more complicated than male abuse

I'm sure male abusers would say that it was complicated and that they had their 'reasons' too.

Really interesting to see how very different women are viewed in these circumstances. Double standards.

Itstartshere · 28/11/2013 13:04

Put your clothes back on stop posting selfies and shut up that's what I think of her, she's a tart to put it politely

How misogynistic of you.

MillyONaire · 28/11/2013 13:16

My DH was abused by his ex gf. His view (20 years on) is still that he drove her to it Shock. He has scars on his face from her fingernails and she still treats him like dog-poo on her shoe (they have a grown-up child together for whom he is still obliged to pay even though she had adopted her mothers view of him) - her attitude then was that he wasn't good enough for her so she attacked him publically and often but at the time it was too shameful to tackle. Witnesses laughed about it (possibly with horror) and he doesn't talk about it even now but it had a huge impact on him. YET when I read about Melanie Sykes my first reaction was "poor woman" Shock Shock Shock before I realised that if the roles were reversed I wouldn't have been sympathising with her dh. I would agree with an earlier poster that as a society we need to work on this attitude.

hoppingmad · 28/11/2013 13:36

Exactly qazxc (on phone so hope I got the name right)
He should leave her, I don't believe abusive people change. I don't think a relationship can recover from abuse as it will always be there in the background affecting each persons behaviour.

There is no excuse for her behaviour and he shouldn't (but probably will) blame himself.

mammadiggingdeep · 28/11/2013 13:53

They married after a whirlwind relationship and she has a lot more money, is more successful and is older than him. It's all about control. The relationship is probably not equal on a lot of ways.

I have a friend and her h who get physical with each other during arguments. I suspect she is more physical than him actually. Interestingly he has been arrested once for it and she hasn't been. I expect he wouldn't be so willing to call the police. :( thoroughly depressing...

Will be interesting to see if MSs career suffers. A mans probably would. Imagine if Phillip schofield did the sane, he'd never work again. I wonder if society will be more forgiving of her....

ProudestDad · 28/11/2013 14:52

I endured years of put downs, blaming, name calling and other verbal abuse.

It hurt. I sought therapy in 2003, but I held back from telling the therapist exactly what was happening to me because I could not quite believe it myself, and because I thought that that sort of thing did not happen to men, and even though I was/am a business man, running a business that is doing well, even though I am physically fit and trim, even though I have some skill in martial arts, I cried, I battled with feelings of despair and worthlessness, I questioned my own value to my work, clients, family - my children!

As I realised that I shouldn't be putting up with it, and as I recognised that our three DC should not be seeing their dad being treated the way that he was being, I began to stand up to her. I began to tell her that what she was telling me and calling me was wrong and that it hurt me. I never swore at her, never called her names, never lashed out at her.

For years, in the days after receiving her abuses she would trivialise my concerns, telling me that I listen too much, that she is a human being and that human beings say things when they are angry, that I can't take a joke, that I am too serious, that I need a better outlook on life and that I should have expected it because I made her angry through the tone of my voice, the look on my face. She would deny calling me the names and putting me down. This got so crazymaking that I resorted to recording our arguments. For two years I recorded her. I was recording her the first time that she hit me. She had thrown things at me before, but never came at me and actually him me. After the second time she hit me, and before I walked out, leaving my home and children, I was discussing things with my MIL I was told by my MIL to "get over it", and that even she had "swung at her DH in anger!"

I have a 250 page journal, packed with my feelings and thoughts, recorded over three years. I have my recordings. In the hope that she would understand how hurtful her abuses ware to me I read to her some of my journal, I played some of my recordings, and in response I was told that she was like that with me, because I made her like that, that no one else makes her feel that way and that if we were to have a happy marriage that we BOTH needed to change. She never accepted responsibility for any of her words or actions.

I have read books about verbal abuse leading to DV, but they are all written about abuse inflicted on women by men, and while there is a paragraph on the first pages that will explain that abuse can be inflicted upon men by women, I wished, as I read about the experiences of the women who had lived through what I had lived through, that I could read a story about a man's experiences. There were none. While I felt strong for leaving the situation, while I felt confident in my ability to rebuild my life (and 18 months on I am doing that, with my DC, who chose to spend more than half the week with me), I felt alone, and I felt uncomfortable discussing my situation because there is a lack of awareness that men across the world are living with abuse. I needed to talk, I see the value of communicating feelings and worries, because when one's worries and concerns are spinning around in ones head, it can make one feel worse. I felt very, very low.

Here is a transcription of the first time she hit me...

October 2011 – 9:45pm – Kids in bed
Loud argument in the kitchen about whether to have a family dog

DH – “The next time we have a discussion it’s going to have to be in mediation”

DW – “It’s not a discussion because you’re now saying, ‘we’re not getting a dog’”

DH – “No, we’re not getting a dog, and also I don’t see a future for you and me based on the last couple of years”

DW opens the door to the hall and stands by the open door. The 3 DC are in bed upstairs.

DW (ignores my statement about our future and shouts)– “Well, to be honest DH, when you met me I HAD A DOG, you knew that SO YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE COME ANYWHERE BLOODY NEAR ME, and I WISH YOU HADN’T NOW!”

DH “Oh, well perhaps we’ll discuss that in mediation”

DW – “I would have been a lot better off WITHOUT YOU AND WITHOUT THREE DC….”

DH – (sounding surprised) “ Oh, oh right”

DW – “SO I COULD HAVE HAD THE DOG AND BEEN HAPPY”

DW goes out into the hall and slams the living room door behind her

15 minutes Later

DW – (referring to a conversation that she said that she and I had in 1996) “You knew I had a dog, you said to me ‘I don’t think we’ll ever be without a dog’ those were your EXACT WORDS”

DH – “I don’t think, I said ‘I don’t think’, but when you think, and as life unfolds…”

DW (interrupting DH) “In fact, you said ‘I can’t see us ever being without a dog!’”

DH – (amused) “Did you write this down?”

DW “Don’t laugh at me! I can remember certain – important THINGS, and having a dog is VERY important to me”

DH – (laughs)

DW (loud) “Oh, ha ha BLOODY ha, you CRETIN” (comes across the room and hits DH around the head)

DH – “Please don’t do that”

DW “ you’re an absolute CRETIN, just fuckin Get Out Now”

DH – “That was a defensive move you know”

DW – “It was defensive? What was?”

DH – “Well, you know my raising my hand up”

DW – “Oh was it, you’re just pointing it out because you’re so bloody pedantic, you’re PATHETIC DH, you’re absolutely PATHETIC!”

DH – “You were swinging at me weren’t you?”

DW – “YES I BLOODY WAS, because you’re laughing at me and making me feel that small!”

DH – “I am not laughing at you, I’m laughing at the situation because it’s better than me getting upset”

DW – “No I don’t think it is, because it makes me feel bloody worse actually, Why don’t you just give me a slap? That would be easier”

DH – “No I would not raise a hand to you”

DW – “no, no you wouldn’t do that, but you’d make me feel that small…. HAVING A DOG IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, IT’S VERY IMPORTANT TO MY CHILDREN, BUT YOU DON’T GIVE A SHIT””

DH – “My family is very important to me….”

DW (interrupts) “Your family? Fucking what?”

DH “No DW, you and the children are very important to me but hearing that stuff about how I should have left you alone 15 years ago it hurts me”

DW leaves the room and slams the door

She hit me again four months later, and afterwards she told me how I deserved it, how it should have “knocked some sense” into me. She called me “a wimp”, told me that “actors take it better than you”, told me how she did not care if we never had sex again and many more upsetting things that ripped my character to pieces. After trying to tell her just how I felt and how upsetting this all was to me, and after listening to her (and recording her) for ten minutes I opened the door to leave, and that was when I found my DS (age 10) standing behind the door, quivering and in tears, hardly able to remain standing. As I scooped him up I told him that I was so sorry that he had to hear his mummy and daddy like that and he said “Daddy I didn’t know what to do. You’re not a wimp, you ran a marathon”

Seeing my DS in such a state made me realise that I was not going to be able to make things better by staying and that potentially how my DC viewed relationships could be damaged beyond repair were I to stay in an abusive relationship, and so I left. I reported the assault to the police, who came and spoke to her. To my immense relief (and disbelief) she admitted to the two assaults. She received a caution.

To this day, 18 months later, my soon to be Ex DW maintains that she was the way she was because I caused her to be that way.

Now that this story has broken, while I regret that this gentleman has lived/is living with DV, I feel a little lighter knowing that more people are seeing that DV towards either sex exists, and that women and men are capable of inflicting emotional and physical suffering on someone that they profess to love. I hope the man at the centre of this story can move on and not feel responsible for someone elses choice to abuse him.

I hope that more people who are being abused can feel assured that they will be listened to, taken seriously and supported when they recognise that the abuse they are taking is not their fault.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 28/11/2013 14:59

Her poor H, I hope the DCs weren't present.

firesidechat · 28/11/2013 16:14

But the truth is that, statistically, cases of women assaulting men are different. Often it's the case that a woman who has been systematically abused for year snaps and retaliates. This is far less often true of male DV.

I'm not in any position to speculate about MS, but in the abstract I think it's reasonable that we wonder 'why' more about female perpetrators.

To be clear, as a lesbian survivor of DV I'm certainly v aware that women can and do commit straightforward abuse. But the circumstances are proportionately more often more complicated than male abuse.

likelytoasksillyquestions, this kind of attitude is the very reason that a relative of mine didn't report the domestic violence that he experienced. Just so you know, the circumstances were the same as many female victims report and it wasn't at all complicated. She was a nasty piece of work, pure and simple.

It's very sad and grossly unfair that "we believe you" doesn't seem to apply to men.

AmberLeaf · 28/11/2013 17:52

Hope you are happier now ProudestDad.

ProudestDad · 28/11/2013 19:05

Thank you AmberLeaf. It is nearly 2 years since I decided I would leave. That first step was daunting and very upsetting, especially telling the children. I now pinch myself occasionally just to make sure this new life is not a dream because everything is working out fine and I no longer have to walk on egg shells.

Time passes so quickly when you are having fun, and I have found that fun has been side effect after breaking free from a person who I will never understand and who will never understand me.

likelytoasksillyquestions · 28/11/2013 19:14

fireside, I'm sorry your relative had that experience, and more sorry still he wasn't able to report it.

I'm concerned that I've somehow been unclear, though, because this

"Just so you know, the circumstances were the same as many female victims report and it wasn't at all complicated"

is indeed exactly what I meant when I said

"I'm certainly v aware that women can and do commit straightforward abuse."

Blistory · 28/11/2013 19:16

Hmm, you obviously had your reasons for posting that, ProudestDad but it just goes to show how differently things can be interpreted.

No, she shouldn't have hit you but you seem to be missing her frustration at how controlling you were being and then you laughed at her.

Obviously not a nice relationship for either of you and glad you've been able to move on.

Toughasoldboots · 28/11/2013 19:20

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Blistory · 28/11/2013 19:22

And for the sake of it, yes, domestic violence against women which is physical is nearly always worse than physical violence against men.

To deny that ignores the power dynamic between a bigger, physically stronger person than a smaller, weaker one.

Most women experiencing physical DV are scared for their lives and their lives are often as risk.

Most men experiencing physical DV are embarrassed and ashamed but generally, do not experience the fear for their lives or the same degree of injury.

DV is wrong but it's not the same between the sexes in the majority of cases. It's not a case of double standards, it's about recognising the different dynamics at play.

sparklysilversequins · 28/11/2013 19:23

Glad I am not the only one who saw that and there seemed a definite element of playing to the camera so to speak.

Good for all concerned that you're out of it PD.

onedev · 28/11/2013 19:33

Glad you're both separated ProudestDad as I agree with Blistory - that didn't sound good on either side. She definitely shouldn't have hit you, but reading that, it read like you we're trying to wind her up & enjoying her reaction becoming more hysterical as you were laughing at her.

Glad things are calmer for you now (& hopefully for your ex also).

BlueSkySunnyDay · 28/11/2013 19:42

If the DWs and DHs had been swapped over and it were the wife talking and laughing I doubt anyone would be blaming her for winding up the abuser. I do feel sometimes on here men cant do anything right.

AmberLeaf · 28/11/2013 19:44

Would anyone be as understanding of the abusive spouses 'side' when the woman is the victim?

No wonder it is so difficult for abused men to speak out, they are in the wrong even when they are victims.

Edenviolet · 28/11/2013 19:52

My db was in an abusive relationship for a couple of years. It was heartbreaking to see a grown man so utterly destroyed.

He was systematically bullied, attacked and subjected to mental torture. On so many occasions he came round to us crying with smashed glasses, gouged out cheeks where she had attacked him with her acrylics and bruises all over him. On one occasion she broke a glass and slashed his leg. For months he told us he had fallen onto a bit of glass whilst out one evening.

If he tried to leave her she would lie in the road.

One night he snapped and had enough, chucked her out but she phoned the police and accused him of violence and that he wouldn't let her in and she had nowhere to go.

He was arrested and then nearly lost his job. A couple of weeks later her brother jumped him one night and beat him on his way home and despite it being reported nothing happened.

It took months for db to get his life back on track. He was a wreck for ages and it was dreadful.

Violence of any sort by a man or a woman is disgusting.

Blistory · 28/11/2013 20:03

No one is saying that ProudestDad wasn't a victim of DV - simply pointing out that the example he chose to give portrayed him in a bad way.

Provoking someone into committing an act of violence has to be recognised. Goading, pushing, whatever, it's done with a view to pushing someone beyond their limits. And it's a measured and intended act so in my book, that's can't be ignored. Whichever sex is involved.

BlueSkySunnyDay · 28/11/2013 20:06

Honest Blistory - id have laughed at anyone being that dramatic about getting a dog fgs

wannabedomesticgoddess · 28/11/2013 20:09

ProudestDads exW said she wished she had never had her kids, in the hall, loudly. I assume in the hope that they could hear.

When DP and I argue we both get angry, we mock each other, we laugh at each other and talk over each other. But we never say we regret the kids, call each other cretins, or hit each other. There are lines in that post that were crossed by the female. If it was the other way round would we be saying that she deserved it 'cause she wound him up?

Jesus. I feel sorry for men.

Glad you are away from her PD!

likelytoasksillyquestions · 28/11/2013 20:15

The people pointing out that men are always assumed to be in the wrong - you do realise, right, that out there in the RL world women continually face that too? 'She must have provoked him, maybe she's making it all up, he's such a nice bloke, he wouldn't do it for no reason, some women get off on winding their partners up, if only she hadn't done/said/worn that it would never have happened, takes two to tango'. Etc, etc, etc.

PD - I mean this genuinely - I can see there is a gap for a "man's perspective" book for male victims of DV. I think it will take you, or someone else in your shoes, to write it. I would imagine the majority of books focused around the male perp/female victim dynamic are written by one-time victims, or people who have worked very closely with victims for many years. It's not some anti-male conspiracy. There are obvious gendered contexts to partner abuse so I don't think a generalised book about sexless partner A abusing sexless partner B would be very valuable.

BlueSkySunnyDay · 28/11/2013 20:20

No I do get that likely - without a doubt there is behaviour which is provocative - most people walk away from it but abusers dont.

I think it takes a lot for anyone to admit to being a victim of DV but it is more difficult for men because its less common and not really spoken about.