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Will I ever have the guts to leave

68 replies

TessDurbeyfield1 · 20/11/2013 12:49

Hi,
I have nc'd for both the fear of being recognised and the shame of still being with my emotionally abusive husband. I posted early in the summer after he was verbally very abusive to me in front of the children. I also told the mumsnetters about the other things he had done in our 18 year relationship and the overwhelming advice was to leave this man. Since then he has been absolutely wonderful: kind, attentive and caring. I really thought that he had been reflecting on his past behaviour and realised that it was abusive. However, 2 weeks ago he took the day off work to look after my youngest child while I went to work. When I arrived home I was surprised to see a charity bag sitting on the pavement outside our house - I should have realised! A few days later I checked the back of an almost inaccessible cupboard, and found that a very precious (and large) possession of mine had gone. Over the years photos, ornaments, postcards and even furniture that has been given to me by my family has gone missing. He always denies it, but I actually saw him do it on one occasion. I feel absolutely sick. Ten minutes after making the discovery of the missing object I sat on the bed in absolute shock and he said "Oh, so we're going to have weeks of misery now, we're all going to suffer!".
We have 3 children who think he's absolutely wonderful; they're completely unaware of how he manipulates and emotionally abuses them too.
I did see a solicitor, which made me feel quite empowered for a time. However, I now seem to be sinking back into helplessness and I'm not sure I'll ever muster the strength to leave.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 20/11/2013 13:06

Sometimes IME it's necessary to take advantage of a spontaneous opportunity i.e. act first, then muster the strength second. Wait until you feel strong and the danger is another 18 years slips by. What a bizarre thing to do, throwing away your possessions. Perhaps another trip to the solicitor is in order? Do you have friends and family you can call on for moral support?

Jan45 · 20/11/2013 13:07

Sorry I didn't read your previous post so no idea how bad it is, just seems a very strange thing to do, why does he do it, is it to upset you?

As for the kids, they will just accept him for who he is, their dad, when they get older they will soon realise the type of person he is.

It's weird how he switches from being abusive to kind and caring...?

foolonthehill · 20/11/2013 13:11

He's a nasty, mean, sneaky man

It often takes many blows to the heart before we have the strength and determination to leave. Many people never do. None of us walk in your shoes.

This may be your final straw, it may not be...never blame yourself for doing what you think is the best thing at the time...just take heart and empower yourself with the knowledge that this is TODAY...make the best choices and decisions for yourself and your DC that you can.

Knowledge is power...the things that you hard from the solicitor are still true. Have a look at the links on the Emotionally abusive relationships thread HERE. talk to people who you trust. keep posting.

You can change your life and your children's...they will not always be unaware of his manipulation.

Keep posting and be kind to yourself

xxfool

TheSilveryPussycat · 20/11/2013 13:11

Unfortunately it's (usually) par for the course Jan - mine was an exception, he couldn't be nice to me.

OP, lots of help and support here on the EA thread

foolonthehill · 20/11/2013 13:12

PS you don't have to be hit to be deserving of help to leave.....

TessDurbeyfield1 · 20/11/2013 13:15

I have some friends, but have never spoken to them about my relationship with my husband. To be honest, I feel quite exhausted sometimes with the effort of trying to appear 'normal' and not letting the mask slip. They all appear to have happy, healthy relationships. I've also developed an anxiety disorder over the years, possibly as a result of the constant 'treading on egg shells' feeling that I have.
I did confide in my family many years ago when my husband decided to give all our savings away to his family. My own mother was abusive towards me as a child, and although they were annoyed by his actions I think ultimately they didn't feel it warranted breaking up a seemingly 'happy' family. My Mum said "Does he hit you? Does he chase other women? Does he go out with his mates all the time?" I had to answer "no" to all the questions, and my Mum said "Well, he's not so bad then, is he?"

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HoneyandRum · 20/11/2013 13:16

It's because they're from her family and represent someone else who has a claim or emotional hold on OP. The total disrespect at literally discarding or trashing something precious to her is very disturbing. It also shows he doesn't respect boundaries and makes everything that is hers "his". She is not allowed to value something he doesn't value. It is about control but the sneakiness is also very sad and infuriating.

bigstrongmama · 20/11/2013 13:20

You are not helpless, you can do this if you believe it is the right thing to do. You are aware of how he manipulates and abuses you all, you can act on this. He hasn't been 'kind, attentive and caring' he has been faking it while chucking out your stuff to hurt you.

It's 2013, even Tess Durbeyfield would have choices now.

Make a list of who to see and what to do (solicitors etc.). Make a list of people to talk to when you feel your resolve going. You can do it.

TessDurbeyfield1 · 20/11/2013 13:21

Thanks for your posts everyone.

The back story to this is that my husband has always hated my family and has tried to prevent me from seeing them, and has removed any object in the house that has any link to them. He is also absolutely obsessed by his Mother (she came on our honeymoon) and is completely controlled by her. She is absolutely toxic and makes his manipulation of me seem small fry.

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TheSilveryPussycat · 20/11/2013 13:21

x-post with the wise fool

My mental health is completely transformed since my divorce, Tess. In latter decades my depression was almost all due to my marriage, but due to depression in early life, I thought it was the other way round.

OTOH your H sounds slightly deranged.

Phalenopsis · 20/11/2013 13:24

He is also absolutely obsessed by his Mother (she came on our honeymoon)

Sorry?! She came with you both?! Shock

Solicitors offer free consultations. Please take advantage of this. Yours is no way to live.

AnandaTimeIn · 20/11/2013 13:25

But you're an adult now and you don't have to let your mother dictate your life...

As she was abusive to you - and I'm so sorry for that - in your childhood of course she would see nothing wrong with you being in an abusive relationship......

Did you ever get counselling for that? I think it might help you to gather your strength.

TessDurbeyfield1 · 20/11/2013 13:28

HoneyandRum - you are absolutely right. On the rare occasion that I'm asked for my opinion by my husband or his mother, they are absolutely furious if it doesn't match their own (they are very racist which I find sickening). I feel that they just want to mold me into being their possession.

Bigstrongmamma - This is where I'm getting confused. Is he actually acting most of the time? I'm not sure what/who is the real him. He has always denied any abuse and keeps repeating that "He has absolutely no explanation" for the missing objects.

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Jan45 · 20/11/2013 13:28

He sounds sick and needs help, which he clearly won't go for, you're not sick and the only help you need is finding the strength to have a life of contentment, go for it, you will regret it otherwise, cos he will never change.

purplewithred · 20/11/2013 13:29

When you were thinking about it before did you have a plan for the future (how and where you would live, finances etc)? and did you have a vision for how that future would be - how happy and secure you would be if you were free of his manipulation?

Think on those two - a plan and a vision - and the moment will come when you have the strength to move on.

I'm another escapee, there really really is a beautiful future out there waiting for you.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/11/2013 13:30

"We have 3 children who think he's absolutely wonderful; they're completely unaware of how he manipulates and emotionally abuses them too".

No they are not, do not kid yourself like that although denial is a powerful force. They see all too clearly how he is with them (they are probably very quiet and have learnt to adapt to him accordingly) and what he is like with you.

What has kept you within this dysfunctional marriage for so long?.

They are learning about relationships from the two of you, what have they been taught here?.

He will never let you have the life you need or deserve so long as you stay with this man. I am also not surprised you were yourself abused as a child, that also led you to this man also. Living on eggshells as well is code for living in fear.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 20/11/2013 13:30

I think you should carefully choose one friend to confide in. They may all look happy and normal to you but you probably look the same way to them. No-one really knows what goes on behind closed doors.

Sorry your family are unsupportive and of the 'he doesn't hit you so be grateful' Taliban school of marriage guidance.

Definitely see a solicitor again. They're paid to be on your side and I think that's what you desperately need right now.

foolonthehill · 20/11/2013 13:31

Other people's assessment of "not so bad" matter not one jot...

Other people's seemingly perfect relationships don;t either (perhaps to them you seem perfect too)....

You live your life and you get to decide what is acceptable...to quote a wiser person than me "the only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is NO abuse" for you and for the children.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/11/2013 13:31

Your mother should not be listened to.

He does not have to hit you to be evil to you; he has deliberately thrown out your possessions. Its all been done to completely disempower you. No wonder you have an anxiety disorder, he has caused that to happen to you.

TessDurbeyfield1 · 20/11/2013 13:34

Thanks for all your support.

I did have some sessions of CBT about a year ago. However, the therapist focussed on the fact that I was a 'perfectionist' and expected too much of others. We only began to talk about my marriage right at the end. After I told her about some of the things she said "Perhaps you ought to think about leaving - but choose your time carefully." And that was that.

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BuzzardBird · 20/11/2013 13:35

He is poisoning the health of you and your DC's. Leave.

He is gas-lighting you with the missing possessions, it will not end there. He wants total control over you like his mother has of him.

Run like the wind. If you need help contact Women's Aid.

Good luck Thanks

TessDurbeyfield1 · 20/11/2013 13:35

Forgot to say that I did contact WA after the latest discovery because I was absolutely gutted. I'm still waiting for a support worker to contact me; it's been nearly a week.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 20/11/2013 13:36

Blimey.... in measured therapist-speak 'perhaps you ought to think about leaving' means... 'get the FUCK out of there home-girl, what a BASTARD!'

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/11/2013 13:39

Perhaps what she meant about choosing your time to leave carefully is the fact that the days before actually leaving can be the most dangerous time in terms of doing that. You need a plan as well as a plan to leave.

His mother is just as if not even more bloody dysfunctional than he is. Your own unhappy childhood contributed towards being with such an awful man in the first place.

I would certainly talk to Womens Aid as they can and will help you here; you need outside support to leave.

You may feel like you have no choices but you feel like that as well because this man (and your mother who started that process, she has also come from the Taliban School of Marriage) have disempowered you.

You have been abused through your entire marriage. The writing was on the wall for this many years ago.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/11/2013 13:40

Call WA again, chase them up.

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