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Loosing perspective.

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perdominum · 21/10/2013 11:34

For 8 years I've been married to C. In that time I've got to the point where I just don't know if I am coming or going.

Yesterday was just one more of those occasions. I was asked by C to do the laundry on Saturday, it needed doing and so there was no problem in that. I did the darks wash because there wasn't much for a whites. Yesterday, after I'd been given "permission" to take our eldest daughter to church I got back and C found a top in the laundry that hadn't been done (and which C didn't need) and flew into a rage. It led to a massive row over the same issue over and over: C flies into a rage at everything I'm "incompetent" with and rather than just ask me to put the other items in the wash berates me for "doing something wrong". It usually involves me being put down and insulted. I object to the way I'm spoken to, but in C's mind the shouting and telling off is justified as is C's anger and I'm demanded to apologise. Whenever I try and argue the point C manipulates the argument to constantly keep the blame on me, if I don't back down C gets aggressive. On a number of occasions I have things thrown at me or am hit if I don't back down. It has even happened in front of the kids.

Yesterday, after the row had simmered we needed to go out. C put the kids in the car and asked me to fetch something from the house. C then drove off with the kids in the car and I could see them crying and looking back in the car. I could see C had stopped just round the corner and I got in the car. The kids were sobbing.

Later that night our eldest daughter expressed an opinion about her favourite colour being the same as her best friend's. C called our daughter "pathetic" and ranted at her about her best friend being a stupid tom boy and then really insulted her. I was powerless to stand up for my daughter without another screaming row kicking off.

C drinks a lot, and can be horrible to me when drunk. The average is to see off 10-14 cans of cider over a weekend, with the bulk being drunk on a Fri and Sun night. A lot of Friday nights are spent with C binge drinking and flicking through the music channels on Sky which C knows grates on me. C usually goes on about how great a taste in music C has and how mine is crap, and how sad I am, and it usually has the odd exaggerated laughing at me along with the insults. C's behaviour become erratic and it's not uncommon for me to be sat there cringing while C starts whooping and hollering at the TV and declaring how brilliant acts like Maralyn Manson and Slipknot are. I feel afraid and anxious at C's erratic behaviour and can't relax. This apparently provokes C's drinking especially if I ask for C to slow down.

I don't go out much. If I do I'm worried I'll come home and C will have been drinking heavily. If that happens I know I'm going to be subjected to an aggressive interrogation about where I've been and what we have talked about, especially if it involves C, and the interrogation becomes more intense and aggressive. C will occasionally go through my phone looking for text messages and randomly deleting things. I've let friendships slide and C constantly tells me I have no friends because nobody likes me. The fact is I've always had a small but close group of friends but over the years have learned that being in a group and being socially gregarious is a route to being criticised by C and facing a long drawn out character assassination on the way home so now I just say nothing and keep quiet whenever we go out.

The way our finances are set up I pay all of the bills, which accounts for most of my income, and C pays for the child care and general spending, but C has all of the family's disposable income. While C spends on clothes and going out and doing what C wants, if I do the same I am heavily criticised. I actually rely on hand me down clothes from C's family.

I'm a catholic C is agnostic. I've been chided about believing in sky fairies. C has done everything possible to get me to sever my ties with the church (I only go very occasionally now). C has threatened divorce if I don't agree with C that God doesn't exist. C plans things to regularly clash with me trying to take our daughters to the parish on Sunday mornings even though most of their friends go to church. I'm usually insulted and called thick and unintelligent for believing in anything more than myself. C knew I was catholic when we met and while I've never pushed my beliefs on C, C has done everything possible to get me to agree I'm wrong and C is right.

I keep a diary of events, here are some extracts:

Sunday 21st July 2013

C had been out on Fri night and had come home so drunk that at one point in the night had got up and gone into the en-suite and collapsed on
the floor and passed out on a pile of towels. On Sunday started
drinking again and I commented C hadn't had any time to
recover and that drinking again so soon after being so seriously drunk
less than 36 hours ago was not a good idea for health. C threatened to
glass me in the face and throw things at me unless I shut up and told me was having "fun" and was going to drink more to spite me and
demanded I apologise for being boring and "abusing".

Sat 13th July 2013
C's parents stayed over I went for a haircut. While out C's mother said
something that wound C up. C phoned me after 45 mins to demand to know where I was. I got home and went upstairs, got down and C told me to put suncream on girls and brush their hair. I went upstairs to do this and C started screaming at me to get downstairs, then counted down from 5 to "totally loosing it". Started yelling abuse at me and sent girls upstairs to get a shower and wash suncream off and go to their rooms as a punishment for my "poor behaviour". Claimed I was upstairs for an hour (15 mins at most) and had been out for 2 hours (45 mins - I timed it). C claimed was ill and that wanted me where I could be seen and told me to sit on sofa and not move. Went to get a glass of water and C told me to tip it away and was only going to let me drink when it suited as C wanted me to suffer. I got another drink and gulped it down and brought a second glass into living room. C claimed to be so ill needed to go to hospital immediately so I told C to get in the car, C threw remote control full force into my face and started screaming "fuck off and die!" repeatedly in my face. Then picked up a small wooden chair and threw that at me while I was sat down. I picked chair up and put it back and got glass of water. C had picked remote up and threw it at me again spilling some of the water on me with the force
of being hit. C laughed at me. C eventually calmed down and went into the garden and left me in the house.

1/12/12

C Going out at 8pm, opened front door and saw the advent wreath wasn't on as C would like. Started abuse - I am a fucking gypo, arsehole with no standards, belong on a council estate, no one else would have me, lucky to be allowed to live under the same roof, claimed I did it deliberately to deliberately did it to annoy C and deserve to be abused, no friends, miserable, no wonder no-one likes you. Told me C wants all the laundry ironed tonight as I won't be allowed to do it tomorrow or I won't be living here tomorrow.

There's more all along the same lines.

Am I loosing perspective? Is this normal behaviour in a marital home? I constantly live in fear and am walking on eggshells at everything I do provoking the kind of responses above. C won't accept that anything is wrong in the marriage unless I accept it is my fault. Sex happens only when C wants and is all about C. If I try and talk to C about how I feel I'm usually shouted down or the conversation is twisted as to why everything wrong in the marriage is my fault and that if I don't like it I can leave because C will just find someone better than me.

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DottyboutDots · 21/10/2013 11:37

He is terrible. You know that marriage is not like this, nor should it ever be. You need to leave him.

Let him try and find another sucker.

hellsbellsmelons · 21/10/2013 11:44

He is abusing you massively.
Call Women's Aid now and try to get yourself an exit plan.
0808 2000 247
You absolutely do not have to put up with this.
And your poor children certainly do not deserve this. It will seriously affect them and their relationship choices later in life unless you get them out of there!
Call WA and get some help from them.
If you have any real life support then you need to call on it now as well.

Family, friends, they all need to know what a horribly abusive man you are living with and they will help you get out as well.
Do it today, please!!!
There will be many more along soon who have been where you are now and they will have some great advice and support for you.

myroomisatip · 21/10/2013 11:46

Please contact Womens Aid and get some help to get out of there. He sounds dangerous. In fact, I would contact the Domestic Violence unit at your police station.

You will get a lot of good advice and support here.

hellsbellsmelons · 21/10/2013 11:47

And NO, you aren't losing perspective - you have totally and utterly lost it and you lost it years ago.
This is NOT normal. Not for you or your DC!
You are now realising this and you can now start to take steps to get away.

LEMisdisappointed · 21/10/2013 11:48

I couldn't bear to read all of your post I feel dick for you leave him. Make him leave. Keep him away from your children.

LEMisdisappointed · 21/10/2013 11:53

*sick!

CogitoErgoSometimes · 21/10/2013 11:58

Is 'C' a man or a woman? Either way, they sound like a vile human being. No, not normal behaviour at all ... and the fact that you even have to ask means you should probably get out before you are damaged further.

ImperialBlether · 21/10/2013 12:03

I think the author is a man and C is a woman.

ImperialBlether · 21/10/2013 12:04

Is C a poster on here, OP?

marimeifod · 21/10/2013 12:07

Please seek help, OP. This kind of behaviour and experience within a relationships is destructive to all concerned. Regardless of your or your partner's gender, start off by calling Women's Aid for advice. Tell them everything you have written here.
Stay strong and good luck.x

Xenadog · 21/10/2013 12:09

"C" is a vile excuse for a human being. I suggest you get legal advice and get them out of the house and out of your life asap.

You are a victim of abuse and need to stand up for yourself and your children.

kotinka · 21/10/2013 12:11

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perdominum · 21/10/2013 12:17

Thank you all.

Yes, C is a woman. She is my wife, and I am her husband.

Everything I have written, is to the best of my recollection true. The dated entries are taken from an email account I have where I keep a diary of events. These are just a few of many entries going back 3 years.

The reason I was purposefully ambiguous about my wife's gender is because I didn't want to colour any perceptions. My wife's view is that as a woman because she thinks she can't do me much physical harm that lashing out and hitting me is a perfectly acceptable way of telling me how angry she gets. I disagree, but then as she says, if I don't like it I can leave and never see the kids again.

I have to admit I'm probably not the easiest of people to live with. I can get a bit sulky and withdrawn if I don't get my own way. I can snap at the kids when I'm tired or low, or down. I can snap at her in the same way. I can be reluctant to do things I don't want to do. I'm not brilliant around the house, though I do try. I earn a living through my intellect and professional skill, not because I'm any good with my hands which is a constant frustration to my wife who seems to think I should have been imprinted at birth with a sort of Haynes-esque "bloke manual" of how to do and fix everything and the fact that I can't means I'm not a real man.

But.... I've spent 8 years being told I'm crap at everything and she married beneath herself. I'm starting to recognise in myself signs of depression and despair. I want to try and fix my marriage but it's hard when I can't get her to acknowledge the impact her behaviour has on me - she has a rule she does as she wants I do as I'm told.

How do I fix this?

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kotinka · 21/10/2013 12:22

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trish5000 · 21/10/2013 12:23

This is no way to live. There is no peace for you or for the children. Does your Catholisim allow separation?

kotinka · 21/10/2013 12:28

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frogslegs35 · 21/10/2013 12:30

In answer to your question - NO it's not normal and NO you're not losing perspective - you don't have any as it was evidently bullied out of you along ago Angry

Regardless of whether C is male or female - they're an abusive cunt with no respect whatsoever for you OP.
Your Dc are innocent victims in this and if you can't/don't want C to get the fuck out of your life for yourself then please do it for the DC - it's damaging to them.and you're the only person that can help them.

From posting this I hope that you can find the strength to move forward and protect yourself and DC from this disgustingly abusive and toxic life.

myroomisatip · 21/10/2013 12:31

I really do not think that you can fix this.

You need to see a good family solicitor and take it from there.

mummytime · 21/10/2013 12:32

Could this helpline help?

frogslegs35 · 21/10/2013 12:37

X-posted

How do you fix it?
Honestly from what you've said about her thoughts and opinions of you -
You can't and I can't understand why you'd want to, if I'm honest.
At best she sounds crazy - At worst, she despises you - I'm not sure there's any way to 'fix that' especially as she see's you as 'beneath her'

perdominum · 21/10/2013 12:38

Trish: my Catholicism doesn't prevent separation and isn't really much of an issue in my way of thinking.

The girls are 5 and 8, and she's been like this from the outset, though to begin with it was just verbal. Then one day she got blindingly drunk and was ripping into me about something. She eventually got to the point where she wasn't coherent any more and started punching me in the face. The following day she was so apologetic and promised me it would never happen again. Then a few months later it did. And then it got easier and easier on her conscience until now it's all my fault. To be fair, that first episode, and one about a year later were the only times it involved punching and kicking, mostly it's just involves me being slapped or having things thrown at me.

What I'm acutely aware of is that if we separate I'd have to carry on paying the mortgage. I couldn't continue to live here and feel safe if I did. I can't afford to do that and she would make things as difficult for me financially as she could. I have no family around me as I'm an only child, my mother passed away 9 years ago and my dad is elderly and lives 250 miles away. In other words I've really got no where to go and no money to go with.

Also, I feel an obligation to try until the last to make this work.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 21/10/2013 12:46

What can you 'try' exactly? How is anything you do or say going to change her behaviour? What could you possibly do that doesn't involve you demeaning yourself further in your own eyes or in the eyes of this violent person? When you're in an abusive relationship call the police and either get the aggressor evicted or get yourself and your kids safe.

mummytime · 21/10/2013 12:47

Do you think she is an alcoholic? Maybe you should contact alanon?

Your DDs seeing you being treated like this is child abuse.

kotinka · 21/10/2013 12:48

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RabbitsarenotHares · 21/10/2013 12:51

OP - PLEASE get out of this situation. It sounds similar to a friend's marriage - he divorced over 25 years ago and is still damaged. I don't want the same thing to happen to you.

Oh, and I know it's not a manly thing to do but could you consider going to counselling? I know my friend won't but I believe it would do him the world of good.