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Ex's anger problems and impact on children

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mrsbingle · 25/09/2013 23:01

In many ways my ex is a very good ex. He pays child support, on the dot, every time, he takes huge interest in the dc and is reliable about pick ups and drop offs.

The children are 6 & 10, and spend 2 nights a week with him.

Last night I got a call from my dd holed up in a bedroom saying "Dad is going crazy, yelling and hitting." I said I'd pick her up and asked her to pass the phone to her dad, he was able to contain himself enough to say "OK" when I said I was going to pick her up.

When I got there she was at the door waiting, then the younger one came flying out, howling at the top of his lungs. (I had assumed he would be in bed asleep.) He climbed into the car and I told him to buckle up and close his door.

My ex stood there looking very grim but didn't say anything.

Took the kids home, calmed them down & put them to bed.

Later I got a text from ex saying he was sorry, he'd lost it and had hit them both and that he thinks it might be better for them with him out of their lives.

This has happened countless times before with the exception of the remorseful text.

I am unsure what to do. I have toyed with phoning police about his violence towards them, with doing nothing, with resigning myself to the fact that he's a lost cause and to get on with our lives without him, and with trying to talk sense into him.

I am trying to work out what will be the least damaging way forward for the children and I'm not sure that no contact is the answer. Surely this will cause terrible grief and issues of rejection?

His own father was an alcoholic who shut himself away and did not speak to anyone for years. My ex carries a lot of grief about that. His insight into his own behaviour, however, is nil. One day he'll be knee deep in remorse and self pity, the next he'll be blaming the children.

I would really appreciate some advice. Thank you for reading this.

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Lweji · 26/09/2013 19:48

Have you tried to arrange child care?

mrsbingle · 26/09/2013 19:56

Lweji I can't book childcare. I have literally no money to pay for it.
While ex is saying he will contribute, he has not transferred any funds yet. I have asked him to fund 2 hrs a week.

The weekend obviously is off. The birthday, I just don't know what to do. I have a senior role and 2 big deadlines before going on leave. The kids might have to come with me to the office.

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pozzled · 26/09/2013 20:05

Take them to the office if necessary then, but please do NOT send them to him. Do they have any close school friends who they could spend the day with? I'd happily look after a friend of my DD's at short notice if it were a one-off. I wouldn't expect an explanation either- just 'something's come up and I have a childcare emergency!'

Have you let your ex now that he will not be seeing them tomorrow? And told the DCs as well?

Lweji · 26/09/2013 20:13

Yes, take the kids to the office.
IME there are always people who don't mind entertaining children a bit.

Lweji · 26/09/2013 20:14

Another parent is also a possibility.

Or could he take care of them there, under your watchful eye?

mrsbingle · 26/09/2013 20:25

I have just told the dc.

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Lweji · 26/09/2013 21:18

What did they say?

mrsbingle · 26/09/2013 21:20

Tears

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Lweji · 26/09/2013 21:23

:(

What did you tell them? That they couldn't see dad? Or just supervised?

Or were they relieved?

It may be important to give them hope that things will be better.

They may be very sad now, but I think you will notice them improving once his influence diminishes. Particularly if there is much less drama.

My son sees his dad mainly through skype. He misses him, etc, but he is a much more confident child and our home life is so much calmer.

BlackDaisies · 26/09/2013 22:41

You mustn't send them. I don't know where you are, but here in the UK there would be serious consequences for you as a mum if it were known that you absolutely knew there to be a risk of harm but still sent your children unsupervised to see their dad. As far as talking to the children, you say that you need to make sure they are safe, and that they can see their dad, but there will need to be someone there, so that they don't need to worry about anything. If you don't, somewhere inside them, they will be processing the information that you, their mum, seems happy to send them to someone who is hurting and scaring them. Sometime in the future this will affect their relationship with you.

mcmooncup · 26/09/2013 23:04

You have a senior role but cant afford childcare?!? Confused

It's not £100's.....£40 a day max?! And that is in the holidays?

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BlackDaisies · 26/09/2013 23:24

Just want to clarify - I have been in a similar situation. I know how difficult it is when you're in it. You become bogged down in weighing up what "appears" to be best for the children and doing the right thing. (ie - they want to see him/ some relationship with him is better than none/ they know they can phone you any time) Once you get out of it and change things, you do see it more clearly and wonder how you never saw it before, although having said that, you never stop worrying about the whole situation. You sound like you are ready to change things now, I hope you manage to work out a safe solution.

mrsbingle · 26/09/2013 23:28

Lweji What did you tell them? That they couldn't see dad? Or just supervised?

I told them that they wouldn't be going to Dad's tomorrow because of what happened the other night, that it's against the law for adults to hit kids and make them so frightened they want to leave.

They didn't ask any questions. I asked them later if they felt like it was their fault and they said yes. I told them it wasn't their fault, that it was an adult's job to look after kids and if the adult couldn't manage, it wasn't the children's fault.

But I can see they are very hurt.

mcmooncup - You have a senior role but cant afford childcare?!?
Yes. I'm surprised that you're surprised. Lots of working people are poor.

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mrsbingle · 26/09/2013 23:33

Thanks BlackDaisies, that's how it is for sure.

Today for example.. I've been busy getting the kids ready for school and all their end of term things, I've got a lot to get through at work because I'm due to take leave, I'm organising things for the birthday. It's all normal, but I find it keeps me busy enough at the best of times. Having to rethink my working hours, my childcare etc is a lot of sorting out to do and it will take me a little while.

I stopped to talk to a friend this morning and she has offered to have the children for a couple of days in the holidays. This is a huge help, and even the gesture makes a difference, helps me feel supported instead of just abandoned to deal with another crisis.

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BlackDaisies · 29/09/2013 12:09

Did you manage to work something out mrsbingle? The mad rush will settle down and you will start to ruthlessly prioritise work/ home commitments, and realise which things really don't matter in the grand scheme of things (regular dusting has been added to that one for me)! Hope everything is ok.

perfectstorm · 29/09/2013 13:23

But I get that a lot of people channel their anger inappropriately. You see it all the time in here.

Don't you just, OP. Don't you just. Hmm

I also saw nothing whatsoever wrong with Cookie's 1st two posts, which are the ones you decided to have a hissy fit over. And my heart breaks for your children, quite frankly. On numerous grounds.

Lweji · 29/09/2013 15:04

Sorry, I missed your question.

I told DS initially that we were not living with his dad anymore.

It will be hard for them, but I think you will notice that they will be happier.

How's the weekend been?

mrsbingle · 29/09/2013 16:10

BlackDaisies Yes I have (somewhat complex!) childcare plans to cover my working hours till I take leave. The rest will have to wait till I am back.

I am not worried about the dusting. I am worried about being able to keep my job and therefore pay mortgage and food.

I am also struggling with giving up training; I used my 2 x 4hr slots prepare for a half marathon in memory of my sister. It has been my focus through grief.

Lweji the weekend has been decidedly average. The children have at times been angry, upset and clingy. However we hooked up with a variety of friends so they had some happy distractions.

Ex has sent me dozens of texts, he wants to have the children separately or see them only at my house as he feels they behave better for me.

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mrsbingle · 29/09/2013 16:18

perfectstorm hissy fit? Er ok.

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TheOpposibleThumb · 29/09/2013 16:34

You are "struggling" with giving up your "training time" for a marathon while your husband is hitting your children?

mrsbingle · 29/09/2013 16:40

Just to clarify, he is not my husband, he is my ex. And he is not hitting them, they are with me.

And yes, I am struggling. That is the truth. My training has been my way through this terrible grief.

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mrsbingle · 29/09/2013 16:43

Oh the other update, I spoke to the headteacher about the 6yo. They are going to be extra nice, give him lots of stickers (!) and look out for any behavioural problems. That way we can provide consistency for him.

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Lweji · 29/09/2013 16:49

I noticed DS was extra clingy when I separated.
I let him sleep in my bed a lot more than usual.

I think it's normal that they are more clingy than usual and need more reassurance.

I wouldn't let him come into your home.

It might be ok if he takes them out, say to the park, than to his home. You can supervise from a distance or ask someone else to do it.
Alternatively, hire a baby sitter to go with them.
You should not let him dictate conditions.

I'm not sure I'd go for the children separately. It may just what he'll need to be his word against one of the children. Hmm

Has he paid for child care yet?

mrsbingle · 29/09/2013 16:56

Maybe in time I could do the park meet up thing, but right now it seems too soon.

Both the dc like seeing him on their own. He likes it. Trouble is that the own who doesn't go feels hurt and left out even if O do something special with them, and it just seems such a contrived, artificial way of doing things.

He has also suggested a family conference as he feels the children's behaviour is the problem. I said no, that we were not part of the solution to his anger problems any more than we were the cause of them.

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