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Ex's anger problems and impact on children

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mrsbingle · 25/09/2013 23:01

In many ways my ex is a very good ex. He pays child support, on the dot, every time, he takes huge interest in the dc and is reliable about pick ups and drop offs.

The children are 6 & 10, and spend 2 nights a week with him.

Last night I got a call from my dd holed up in a bedroom saying "Dad is going crazy, yelling and hitting." I said I'd pick her up and asked her to pass the phone to her dad, he was able to contain himself enough to say "OK" when I said I was going to pick her up.

When I got there she was at the door waiting, then the younger one came flying out, howling at the top of his lungs. (I had assumed he would be in bed asleep.) He climbed into the car and I told him to buckle up and close his door.

My ex stood there looking very grim but didn't say anything.

Took the kids home, calmed them down & put them to bed.

Later I got a text from ex saying he was sorry, he'd lost it and had hit them both and that he thinks it might be better for them with him out of their lives.

This has happened countless times before with the exception of the remorseful text.

I am unsure what to do. I have toyed with phoning police about his violence towards them, with doing nothing, with resigning myself to the fact that he's a lost cause and to get on with our lives without him, and with trying to talk sense into him.

I am trying to work out what will be the least damaging way forward for the children and I'm not sure that no contact is the answer. Surely this will cause terrible grief and issues of rejection?

His own father was an alcoholic who shut himself away and did not speak to anyone for years. My ex carries a lot of grief about that. His insight into his own behaviour, however, is nil. One day he'll be knee deep in remorse and self pity, the next he'll be blaming the children.

I would really appreciate some advice. Thank you for reading this.

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DollyTwat · 26/09/2013 08:04

I stil think you should log this with the children's desk at SS
If he decides that he does want access you will only have that one text to prove what you are saying is a pattern if abuse. The courts may force you to make them available for contact. I speak from my own experience

The dc need to know that you believe thm and that you will protect them, no matter how inconvenient that is or expensive

TalkativeJim · 26/09/2013 10:40

It clearly is mainly a money issue for you, isn't it?

I am surprised at how many moderate responses you have received, OP.

Please step up and start protecting your poor children - better late than never.

Unhinged does indeed spring to mind. I can only imagine that the abuse you received from this horrible man has affected the way you see this. My advice would also be to speak to SS, both for support and to get a better perspective on how far beyond the pale your situation is.

Good luck.

Lweji · 26/09/2013 10:52

Actually, I think you were really unfair on CookieB.

Calling the police after your child rang you in a panic is not unhinged.
You did say you toyed with the idea.

You have let it happen lots of times, and you didn't like being called on it, but she was not particularly wrong.

What you are going through now should really have happened the first time (personally I hadn't notice the part about the countless times).
And I'd be damned if I had let my DS go back to such an abusive dad again.

Lweji · 26/09/2013 10:54

Still, I'm glad you are sorting it now and he seems to realise he is not capable of having them safely and is willing to pay for child care.

Take care and do protect your children.

cestlavielife · 26/09/2013 11:31

op you need to forget contact at all costs and think ONLY supervised contact. he isnt in control of himself is he? doesnt matte rif h usually is he has shown agression/shouts etc "countless times". now he ahs admited it. if yous end them back it implies its ok so long as he apologises...it isnt ok.
pay babysitter/after schol care so you can work.

t only takes one violent incident gettng out of hand "accidentally" to harm a child. you know that beacuse you have been scared.

the research on contact etc talk about a child knwoing their identiy, who they are - this doesnt mean they have to to visit with a man who can be violent.

yes no contact at least for now is the answer. take a break. kids will be fine for ew weeks if there is a cleanbreak. they seen and ehard and expereinced it -they will totally get that dad needs some time ti get help/calm down etc.

few weeks down the line - you can talk to ex about supervised contact in public places, if the kids are keen.

contact has to be always safe.
right now it sure as hell isnt safe.

if it was a teacher/nanny/babysitter you would not hesitate to sack that person. fact it is their dad doesnt make it ok. safe scure conact supervised. yes.

my dds have v limited contact with dad because of his anger/rages amongst other things...it doesnt mean they dont acknowledge him as their dad etc. they know he has issues.

they look to me to protect them from him.

mrsbingle · 26/09/2013 11:35

I don't have issue with the phoning police idea (other than the fact that if she had read my posts she would see I had already considered this). It was the swearing, exclamation mark-strewn histrionics that made it laughable.

But I get that a lot of people channel their anger inappropriately. You see it all the time in here.

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mrsbingle · 26/09/2013 11:39

cestlavie yes I guess the kids will have issues one way or the other, better if they are dealing with massive rejection but intact.

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HotDAMNlifeisgood · 26/09/2013 11:48

You are minimising his abuse, the damage to your children, and your role in letting it go on this long.

Your children need to be protected from this man, and you need to make it happen, as the responsible adult here.

He is not a good father. All children love their parents, however shit they are. Their love for him is not an indication that they should continue to see him.

The fact that he hits them is an indication that he needs to be kept away from them. Permanently.

cestlavielife · 26/09/2013 11:57

and they are looking to you to protect them.
one thing that came out in family therpay sessions i did with dds was thinking about when are they looking to you as their mother to make deicsions in their best interest?
so regardless of whether they love to see dad, if it isnt safe it isnt safe. and you are the one who ahasto make those difficult decisions. you know this has happened "countless times". that is damaging and potentially dangerous. each time oyou sned the you take a risk a flying fist object hand could injure them - or they fall over and get hurt while cowering or runing away from his abuse. the fact he veres between nice and nasty doesnt make it ok .

(and yes this means you pay for child care rather than using him...)

cestlavielife · 26/09/2013 12:00

it is ok to make the decision their safety comes first. they have seen how he is.
they have capacity to understand that.
and that you will do all you can to arrange safe contact eg supervised by another adult in a public place for several months (years if needed)

they can see him (eg public place) but not any longer go and stay overwith him. no way.

mrsbingle · 26/09/2013 12:01

Yes I can see that more clearly now. Especially in the older one. Well, she has even stated there is "no point" in going to her dad's.

The paying for childcare thing isn't an option unless he pays it.

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Lweji · 26/09/2013 12:04

Regardless, you must find a solution that doesn't involve him doing childcare unsupervised.

Move heaven and earth.

AmyMumsnet · 26/09/2013 12:39

Hi there,

We do appreciate that this is a topic that makes tempers run high, and as you know we welcome robust debate, but we do think it's a tad beyond the pale to say that you hope an individual poster's husband or partner kills himself

LaRegina · 26/09/2013 12:53

I would say where you live in the world is irrelevant - so what if the authorities where you are don't seem to mind parents hitting their children? Hmm. The fact is it's wrong, and you know it is. Your children are in danger, physically and mentally when they are with him.

You are the only person who can protect them - I don't understand the hesitancy TBH.

GuybrushThreepwoodMP · 26/09/2013 12:56

"This has happened countless times before."
I'm with AF. Can't understand for a second why you would send your children to someone who has hit them 'countless times', no matter how much they love him. My baby loves the lions in the zoo but I don't stick them in a cage together.

JustBecauseICan · 26/09/2013 13:30

Dear God.

You're not getting it at all are you OP?

Your poor poor children.

JustBecauseICan · 26/09/2013 13:33

They are young now. So young, and innocent, that whatever their parents do to them, they internalise as being OK. Because it's what parents do. And parents are big people, who are always right.

One day, your children are going to ask you to explain why you let that happen to them. Knowing it was happening, you let it continue. You're going to have a hell of a lot of explaining to do if you don't sort it now.

pozzled · 26/09/2013 14:00

I find this thread very sad to read. OP, you cannot allow your DCs to see this man unsupervised. Ever. Childcare or no childcare.

Like many others, I am utterly stunned that you've allowed it to continue up till now. Perhaps that's partly because as a victim or domestic violence yourself, you have a skewed perception of what is normal- I've seen that a lot on here, where posters assume that all couples have blazing rows which can turn physical. Or they assume that it's common for partners to turn verbally abusive when they're angry.

Whatever the reason, you need to step up now and start being a parent. What is your plan b if your ex won't pay for childcare? When are they next due at his and have you planned who will look after them then?

babyseal · 26/09/2013 14:06

You do know that you will probably be entitled to 70% of your childcare costs paid through tax credits, unless you are on a massive wage?

Cluffyflump · 26/09/2013 14:06

really?.......

Biscuit
cestlavielife · 26/09/2013 14:44

babyseal op is not in uk so depends on system in operation there. there may or may not be tax support for childcare

op i have dropped 20 % salary to cut hours to be there for pick up after after school club becuse i cant rely on ex . it's a fact of life. it wont be forever. you cant use money as a reason to send the dc there. that would be daft.

babyseal · 26/09/2013 14:46

Oops, will serve me right for not reading thread properly Blush

Jux · 26/09/2013 16:15

CookieB didn't sound unhinged to me; merely shocked at a parent risking their children's health and emotional happiness by continuing to send them to an abuser just because he doesn't hit them every time.

Glad you are considering the right thing now.

GuybrushThreepwoodMP · 26/09/2013 17:22

Having read the entire thread, I can only conclude that you think it's OK that he abuses your children. Your reaction to Cookie highlights this (laughing? really?)
You're as bad as he is.

mrsbingle · 26/09/2013 19:46

pozzled I haven't figured that out yet. He is due to have them tomorrow and then again on Monday (school holiday). When I have to be at work and it is the youngest one's birthday.

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