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Who should you put first - your partner or your children?

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Notsoyummymummy1 · 04/09/2013 14:51

Put a lock on your bedroom door. Never let a child interrupt. Kiss your partner first. This guidance is in Andrew G Marshall's book, 'I Love You But You Always Put Me Last', which argues that parents need to childproof their relationships, or lose them - partners are for life but children are just passing through! Does anyone else think this completely unrealistic?! Incidentally he doesn't have kids himself!

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Bant · 06/09/2013 13:55

Thumb - yes, we discussed it at length during counselling sessions. Ex-wife, incidentally.

Charbon - I agree, it's not just parenting vs being a spouse - I think to be healthy there need to be three different types of needs within a family - individual needs (hobbies, work, alone time), the husband-wife relationship and the parenting relationship between the parents and children.

All of them need to be in balance, which doesn't mean equal in terms of time and effort.

When DC are babies obviously they have greater needs than a spouse, and the other relationships have to adjust accordingly. But needs are not wants, as other people have said. In order for a marriage to survive, it has needs too - communication, sex, humour, compromise etc. Ignoring those needs are not as obvious short term as a pissed off boss or a crying child, but longer term it can be disastrous for the marriage. Not asking about my wife's day because I was too busy talking to my kids about their day at nursery was a problem in the long term - and the same for my wife asking about mine.

I thought I'd said the problem we had was that both of us put the children first, I wasn't talking about extreme motherhood. While doing that we both let the relationship with the other slide. I rarely went out to see my friends, nor did my wife. We both ended up on laptops or tablets in front of the tv once the kids were in bed, and hardly spoke to each other. We both tried to fix it, and it was too late, we both resented the other for ignoring us.

Incidentally I said the lesson was for both men and women. I may be a patronising bastard, but I do it irrespective of gender. And as the topic was about putting children or partners first, I didn't think it was relevant to bring up work or hobbies.

Thumbwitch · 06/09/2013 13:58

Thanks Bant, and sorry to hear that you and your wife didn't "make it".

tangerinefeathers · 06/09/2013 14:09

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Charbon · 06/09/2013 14:27

Thanks for clarifying Bant. I now have more understanding of your position.

You're quite right, the OP asked us to focus on the child vs partner debate, but it is the narrowness of that debate that I am challenging. Plus there is an inbuilt sexism by narrowing that field, especially when Andrew Marshall (also mentioned in the OP) keeps droning on about women having 'too much' of everything (from close friendships to motherhood) and how this is compromising their personal relationships with men.

I'm suggesting it would be a much more balanced and gender neutral debate if we considered how all of our time absorbers have an impact on our personal relationships - and stopped focusing on those which are conducted by proportionately more women and mothers.

noobieteacher · 06/09/2013 14:30

Children are for life and one day they might be looking after you. Reject them and you will end up sad and lonely.

AFishWithoutABicycle · 06/09/2013 14:31

bant What is it you feel you and your wife should be doing that isn't kid orientated? I'm genuinely interested how you feel you can balance hobbies, alone time, romance and young kids? What does an ideal weekend look like to you?

AFishWithoutABicycle · 06/09/2013 14:36

Just read my post and for some reason it's seem confrontational. I don't mean to be I just really do want to know if there is a way to not be totally kid focused. Perusing my own stuff just feels like a hassle coz the kids will not be happy so I won't be able to enjoy it.

motherinferior · 06/09/2013 14:37

one of the best things you can do to keep your relationship healthy is to always involve the father, make him realise that his role is vital to the family's wellbeing by being present and not just a wage slave

No, this is fathers' responsibility, not mothers'. And frankly it's not just 'being present', it's about doing all the other stuff like cooking and housework and general domestic tedium.

But I think I inhabit a very different universe to most people on this thread anyway. I still find the way people are fetishising a 'romantic relationship' really quite odd.

Thumbwitch · 06/09/2013 14:37

AFish, Bant and his wife divorced.

tangerinefeathers · 06/09/2013 14:43

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motherinferior · 06/09/2013 14:44

Sorry, I didn't mean you were fetishising it, I just don't think in terms of Making Time For My Partner.

It is of course entirely possible that he is currently stoking up a wild affair and I'll have egg on my face Grin

Contrarian78 · 06/09/2013 14:44

Bant I have some sympathy with you. When our children were very young, I wanted my wife to put the children first. I'm under no illusion that the children do still come first (they're still quite young) but I can sense that we're slowly starting to change the dynamic.

More than anything, it'll be good for them. kids that are put (and left) at the centre of the universe grow up into the 'entitled' ones that many people (sometimes with good reason) on here find so objectionable.

Groovee · 06/09/2013 14:48

My children are 13 and 10 and now they are older, we're finding time for each other again. If the children need us then they do come first but they're old enough to go to their rooms and give us time to chill.

tangerinefeathers · 06/09/2013 14:51

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AintNobodyGotTimeFurThat · 06/09/2013 21:02

I will always put my DD and future children first.

This doesn't mean that as long as DD is settled and has a good relationship with my parents say and we can go away together, that I wont take the chance - because it wouldn't be detrimental to DDs upbringing and it means that we could have some time just me and DF.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. I wouldn't love my partner even half as much if he wanted me to make him the priority a majority of the time and have DD and any subsequent children we have together in the background.

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