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Is there any hope for our marriage?

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RollOnTheWeekend · 05/08/2013 15:49

I am a married man with a three year old child. My wife and I met when we were very young and I always envisaged us being married and having a family together. For a long while my wife did not want to have children, but eventually she changed her mind and we had our son when we were in our mid 30s. We are now both coming up to 40.

Prior to having our DS we were both really busy working people. I work in a professional job and my wife was had a management job in a council. However, once we had our son it all seemed to go wrong. I love him, but I think he has taken over our lives and our relationship seems to be heading for breakdown.

I feel as if my wife cut me out of decisions to do with parenting for the first two years. She breastfed him as a baby and as a toddler, far longer than I wanted, and I think it got in the way of our relationships (my relationship with him and mine with her) as he was always going to her. She would also wait with him upstairs until he went to sleep, rather than trying to get him to bed earlier so we could be together in the evenings. This went on for ages, although he goes to bed ok now without any problems.

Through all this I was working long hours and felt increasingly fed up that my wife hadn't gone back to work after maternity leave. She had applied for part-time working and they had turned her down, so we agreed that she should leave her job as there was no way that we could manage my hours and her old full-time hours, plus look after a baby. However, I felt that she wasn't really making much effort in the meantime to find something else, as jobs in her field tend to just come up once a year. We had a nursery place, but had to defer it for a year when she did not go back to work. There wasn't any other childcare in the area that we were happy with. So in that year she was just living in a bubble of taking our son out to baby groups and activities, doing volunteering and all the while I was supporting her. During that time I told her that I was having doubts about the relationship, but she didnt do much to put things right.

I have a professional job and a high salary (100k plus) and it annoys me that my wife, at the end of that year, went back to work on a lower salary, even though the job is part time (3 days per week). She often says that she really enjoys her job and likes the fact that it is far more flexible than her old job, so she can do nursery pickups etc, but I still feel that she is not really contributing much. Again, she is doing 'what she likes' and I am subsidising her. She pays about £1k into the currrent account each month, but I pay much more and also contribute to savings, which are almost all put in there by me - apart from an inheritance of hers.

She doesn't do that much around the house, as often I come home from work and there are still toys around and our sons things out when I just want to sit down and relax. She does do housework, but i think she does things inefficiently and expects me to pick up the pieces.

Sometimes I feel as if she thinks of our son first and doesn't think of me at all. I just don't seem to figure in what is important, it is all about 'her'. Our sex life has dwindled and I have asked her to dress up etc, but she doesn't seem keen.

She is well-educated, but I sometimes think that she says stupid things just to annoy me. She will come out with something 'funny' or forget things that I have told her and I think she is being deliberately provoking. This makes me feel very stressed. I tell her not to be stupid, but she then tells me I am being aggressive and shouting. I think that she likes to make out that she is the victim in all this.

I don't know what to do as I think she is looking for a way out.

OP posts:
Taffeta · 05/08/2013 17:37

Yes that's the bit that is a red flag for me too "try not to provoke him with humour". He sounds like a joyless cock.

Forget all the rest of it, if you can't be yourself and have the occasional laugh, what exactly is the point?

RollOnTheWeekend · 05/08/2013 17:38

ZutAlors thank you for your post - I think you are getting close to the kernel of what I am trying to explore. Is it him who needs to change or is it me? While I honestly do not think that I have misrepresented anything in the OP, there must be another point of view to my own (and i would express the OP differently if i were writing it from me).

Why do I stay? At the end of the day he can also be seen as a hardworking man who loves his son and is unhappy in his marriage. Plus we share a lot of history. Also, I am very aware that breaking up is a huge step with serious implications for the future.

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OhDearNigel · 05/08/2013 17:39

My opinion is that you sound like a complete cock and I hope for your wife's sake that she's seen the light.

MadameOvary · 05/08/2013 17:39

OP You sound like you have battled all through this marriage against a rising tide of disapproval from your H. Must be utterly exhausting. And as for not "provoking" him - can you not see how soul-destroying that is?

colafrosties · 05/08/2013 17:45

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glastocat · 05/08/2013 17:46

Staying with him will also have serious, and may I suggest much worse implications for the future. You are both unhappy, soon your son will notice this too, is this really the way you want your child to grow up thinking this is normal?

LadyBigtoes · 05/08/2013 17:54

OP you have to do the thing suggested upthread - challenge him to take a full week off work and spend it on your timetable - doing absolutely everything he thinks you should be doing while looking after his son, taking him to activities, making all meals, and the toys all have to be picked up and tea on the table when you come in. Meanwhile you also swap roles financially and you get his spending money allocation and he gets yours.

If he won't take this on you can tell him it's proof he has no concept of what you do and doesn't want to know - which I think means it is hopeless. If he does it, I think he'll get a big wake-up call.

Toys picked up - !!! Shock that just sums it up for me. He wanted a child! That come with toys on the floor, you great numpty!

Oh and one more thing op - your salary does NOT only just cover the childcare. I'm so tired of hearing this from both men and women (though I realise you were speaking in "his" voice.) you both work, you both contribute earnings to a jnt pot, that pot covers childcare. Women should not be seen as some kind of secondary worker who is supped to do childcare but can pay for it out of HER salary to allow HER to work. The responsibility for the child is joint, the right to work is equal, the cost of childcare is a joint cost. Your salary pays for a fraction of the childcare proportional to what you bring in, or at least that's how you should see it. He works more, he earns more, he pays for more of the childcare to allow him to do that.

burstingbaboon · 05/08/2013 18:24

I hope this is genuin post! You are entitled to express your opinion and I guess that's how you feel and that's brought you here ! If I was you I would take a little stand back and ask yourself why so much bitterness and almost resentment! When you met her you were higher earner , then you had a baby and it happens that she is wonderful mother who loves and takes care of your DC! It doesn't mean she doesn't love you but it's different love - parent love! Life does changes after baby, it does take bit of adjustment ! You should appreciate that she is doing PT Job , keeping house how much is possible ok!
life is not perfect, communication is important! If you leave things unsaid it leads to even bigger resentment and bridge becomes too high to bring you two back together! It's not only her dressing up for you! Why not make her a dinner , make her feel wanted and appreciated rather then someone who will do as she is told or expected! Speak to her please, say how you feel but don't go with a negative attitude , be positive!!! If you love her and you want you marriage to work, show her sometimes ! Not expensive gifts but rather something small like massage her, buy her a rose! Look after your DC and tell her to go shoping! Tell her she looks beautiful, ask her did she change her parfume and that she smells irresistible! It's important to remind each other why are you together through small things!!!! Sorry it's too long!?!

burstingbaboon · 05/08/2013 18:26

I no !!! I think I got it wrong- didn't read other posts!!! Is it reversed ?!?!

burstingbaboon · 05/08/2013 18:27

Silly iPhone-spelling- sorry

antimatter · 05/08/2013 18:44

does he have sisters? how was his parents family life?
same as he expects it of you?
what does it mean - "we have history?"
that is kind of obvious....

captainmummy · 05/08/2013 18:50

OP (DW - i get what youre saying. No-one is 100% bad to the bone. You wouldn't have married him/had a child if he was - but anyone who equates money with care in a marriage has it all wrong.

I have a male friend like this - he is the breadwinner so what he says goes. Eeerrr no, sunshine. Your marriage is not a business, you should not be thinking in monetary terms, but in how much care is in the relationships - both DW/DH and For the DC. Money has nothing to do with it.

tipsytrifle · 05/08/2013 18:51

we are about to go through a big lifestyle change in order to try to regenerate things

what does this involve?

colafrosties · 05/08/2013 19:42

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Chubfuddler · 05/08/2013 19:46

Why do I stay? At the end of the day he can also be seen as a hardworking man who loves his son and is unhappy in his marriage.

Those don't sound like reasons to stay married to him. Have an equal co parenting relationship, yes. Marriage, nope.

Chubfuddler · 05/08/2013 19:51

And actually I never do understand this "but he's a good dad" cliche that gets trotted out in threads like this. Because the person you describe in your op is not a good dad. If your op is a misrepresentation then the whole thread is pointless. But they can't both be true. A god dad doesn't resent a baby for being breastfed. A good dad doesn't moan about a few toys on the floor. A good dad doesn't see their child as an overhead whose failing to deliver on the investment made.

OnIlkelyMoorBahtat · 07/08/2013 15:52

OP if ever I was with someone who considered "deliberate disagreement" on my part as an attempt to sabotage communication with them, I would be out of that door so fast... never mind the other bits.

Basically he's saying "do as I say, exactly as I say" and then he might condescend to stay in a relationship with you.

This thread makes me really, really sad.

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