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Is there any hope for our marriage?

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RollOnTheWeekend · 05/08/2013 15:49

I am a married man with a three year old child. My wife and I met when we were very young and I always envisaged us being married and having a family together. For a long while my wife did not want to have children, but eventually she changed her mind and we had our son when we were in our mid 30s. We are now both coming up to 40.

Prior to having our DS we were both really busy working people. I work in a professional job and my wife was had a management job in a council. However, once we had our son it all seemed to go wrong. I love him, but I think he has taken over our lives and our relationship seems to be heading for breakdown.

I feel as if my wife cut me out of decisions to do with parenting for the first two years. She breastfed him as a baby and as a toddler, far longer than I wanted, and I think it got in the way of our relationships (my relationship with him and mine with her) as he was always going to her. She would also wait with him upstairs until he went to sleep, rather than trying to get him to bed earlier so we could be together in the evenings. This went on for ages, although he goes to bed ok now without any problems.

Through all this I was working long hours and felt increasingly fed up that my wife hadn't gone back to work after maternity leave. She had applied for part-time working and they had turned her down, so we agreed that she should leave her job as there was no way that we could manage my hours and her old full-time hours, plus look after a baby. However, I felt that she wasn't really making much effort in the meantime to find something else, as jobs in her field tend to just come up once a year. We had a nursery place, but had to defer it for a year when she did not go back to work. There wasn't any other childcare in the area that we were happy with. So in that year she was just living in a bubble of taking our son out to baby groups and activities, doing volunteering and all the while I was supporting her. During that time I told her that I was having doubts about the relationship, but she didnt do much to put things right.

I have a professional job and a high salary (100k plus) and it annoys me that my wife, at the end of that year, went back to work on a lower salary, even though the job is part time (3 days per week). She often says that she really enjoys her job and likes the fact that it is far more flexible than her old job, so she can do nursery pickups etc, but I still feel that she is not really contributing much. Again, she is doing 'what she likes' and I am subsidising her. She pays about £1k into the currrent account each month, but I pay much more and also contribute to savings, which are almost all put in there by me - apart from an inheritance of hers.

She doesn't do that much around the house, as often I come home from work and there are still toys around and our sons things out when I just want to sit down and relax. She does do housework, but i think she does things inefficiently and expects me to pick up the pieces.

Sometimes I feel as if she thinks of our son first and doesn't think of me at all. I just don't seem to figure in what is important, it is all about 'her'. Our sex life has dwindled and I have asked her to dress up etc, but she doesn't seem keen.

She is well-educated, but I sometimes think that she says stupid things just to annoy me. She will come out with something 'funny' or forget things that I have told her and I think she is being deliberately provoking. This makes me feel very stressed. I tell her not to be stupid, but she then tells me I am being aggressive and shouting. I think that she likes to make out that she is the victim in all this.

I don't know what to do as I think she is looking for a way out.

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RollOnTheWeekend · 05/08/2013 17:08

OK, I will fess up - I am the DW. Apologies for wasting anyone's time, but i genuinely wanted to try to put myself in my husband's shoes for a minute and see whether his side of things does have some merit. I am a regular MNer and have received some support on here before, but I am finding it difficult to come to the crunch point of actually leaving.

The OP is a blend of some things that were said in an argument yesterday and things that have been said along the way. He is very convincing and genuinely seems to believe statements like 'you cut me out of every parenting decision until DS was two', even though I was able to immediately come back with proof that that was not the case....

You will think I am nuts, but I am giving the marriage one last shot - mostly because we are about to go through a big lifestyle change in order to try to regenerate things. In the meantime I have offered to try not 'provoking' him (with deliberate disagreement or, er, humour) for a bit in order to try to improve our communication - whilst at the same time making it clear that he is a grown man, in charge of himself and that I do not 'make' him speak angrily or anything of the kind. I do believe that one of us has to give something in order for things to stand even the faintest chance of improving.

I have got to the point where I am not even that bothered about being loved (I have been loved and it was wonderful - but maybe that phase in my life is over), but I do still want to be treated nicely.

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HurricaneWyn · 05/08/2013 17:10

Jam first obviously - otherwise the cream just splodges

DumSpiroSpero · 05/08/2013 17:11

Is there any hope for our marriage?

Probably not - sooner or later your intelligent wife will realise she's married to a selfish, demanding, condescending twat and divorce you I'd imagine.

HurricaneWyn · 05/08/2013 17:11

Sorry for the horribly inappropriate x-post

Mips · 05/08/2013 17:11

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Chubfuddler · 05/08/2013 17:11

Reverse threads are utterly pointless because they only give your view of his thoughts and attitudes

If he really is as you describe I am at a loss to understand why you would want to be with him.

TeamEdward · 05/08/2013 17:13

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DumSpiroSpero · 05/08/2013 17:13

X-post Blush - still stand by my opinion of your H though, and not sure that you basically agreeing to walk on eggshells in order not aggravate him is going to help matters much in the long term though.

mirai · 05/08/2013 17:14

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AgathaF · 05/08/2013 17:14

Hmm, not sure on the wisdom of your OP really.

This though I have got to the point where I am not even that bothered about being loved (I have been loved and it was wonderful - but maybe that phase in my life is over), but I do still want to be treated nicely speaks volumes. You are teaching your child about adult relationships whilst he is growing up. He will quite possibly his adult relationships on what he learns from you and your DH. Before you say you will settle for not being loved, consider what that example will teach your child. Would you want that for him?

AgathaF · 05/08/2013 17:15

Quite possibly model his adult relationships..

CoffeeandScones · 05/08/2013 17:15

Not sure this post gives the "other side" of the story - you're still wording it your way, not his.

But love is not a temporary phase in life. It's one thing that can persist forever and going through life without it sounds pretty much horrible to me.

I couldn't live without love (or without the prospect of it, trapped in a loveless marriage). Maybe that's the bit to focus on. Even if he shut up about the money (and the other things), could you still end up loving each other? Sounds like you never were in love with DH (though can't see how you'd have got together?)

GetStuffezd · 05/08/2013 17:16

OP, were you hoping for different replies to the ones you would have received if you'd just told your story honestly? Confused

RollOnTheWeekend · 05/08/2013 17:16

Again, sorry for wasting anyone's time and thank you to anyone who has contributed.
I have seen the occasional reverse thread on here and just wondered if it would bring any extra insight - which it has, as there have been some helpful comments.

Believe it or not, everything in the OP is something that has come out of my husband's mouth at one point or another.

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shootfromthehip · 05/08/2013 17:18

I could have written this about 8 yrs ago. I also went through a radical lifestyle change to 'fix' it. I am now trying to save enough money to leave my husband as he a) still appreciates virtually none of the sacrifices that I have made and b) still acts as though his life is simply designed and all he has to do is tell me how he wants it all to be and I will have to concede because he is the main breadwinner. You're on a hiding to nothing OP. You've talked to him and he's not changing anything? If he cared about your marriage then he would take on board what you are saying to him and try to compromise. He's not and the likelihood is he never will.

RollOnTheWeekend · 05/08/2013 17:21

Sorry to hear that, shoot from the hip.

Get Stuffezd - I think I was interested to see if anyone would think that he had a point. Because, if so, then maybe I do need to recognise that/change my ways etc

When I have posted from my point of view there have been a few 'LTB' to be sure....

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Chubfuddler · 05/08/2013 17:21

I believe you. It's the fact you want to stay with him I find unbelievable.

ZutAlorsDidier · 05/08/2013 17:24

Rollon, the way you have written the OP makes your husband sound like a most almighty shit (which he may well be) but it doesn't make anything we say "impartial" just because you have written in his "voice".

Either justifiedly or not, you carry an incredible amount of resentment towards him and you have to lose that in order to carry on - either because he changes, or because you change.

I sometimes use mn in outrage to hear a chorus of voices saying "you are right! he is an eejit!" because it makes me feel better in the moment. But really what is so great about being affirmed that I am with an eejit? Do I want to be with an eejit? Why is it making me so happy to present the issue in such a way that no one could be in any doubt that he is an eejit? (clue: it doesn't). Soon I am saying "But he does all the school runs!" and such. If he were that bad I wouldn't be with him.

so what is your situation?

Claudiecat · 05/08/2013 17:24

He's a pathetic man baby then. Do you want your DS to grow up and treat others like this? Your DH needs to see this. Sadly there are too many men like this around - probably byproducts of having this sort of role model.

rainbowfeet · 05/08/2013 17:26

You do sound like an arse!!! Sad

Of course your child comes 1st in her life!! That's what mums are all about!! My dc's come before partners, money & my own happiness!!!

FobblyWoof · 05/08/2013 17:27

So she's not really interested in sex and your solution to this is to ask her to dress up? You, sir, are a cunt. Of the highest order.

I can't even be bothered to respond to the rest of things you listed in your OP.

colafrosties · 05/08/2013 17:34

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throwinshapes · 05/08/2013 17:35

Just read this out to dp who said 'how could someone so stupid end up earning £100k.'

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE · 05/08/2013 17:35

Why are you staying?

LEMisdisappointed · 05/08/2013 17:36

Is this a reverse thread or something?

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