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Is there any hope for our marriage?

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RollOnTheWeekend · 05/08/2013 15:49

I am a married man with a three year old child. My wife and I met when we were very young and I always envisaged us being married and having a family together. For a long while my wife did not want to have children, but eventually she changed her mind and we had our son when we were in our mid 30s. We are now both coming up to 40.

Prior to having our DS we were both really busy working people. I work in a professional job and my wife was had a management job in a council. However, once we had our son it all seemed to go wrong. I love him, but I think he has taken over our lives and our relationship seems to be heading for breakdown.

I feel as if my wife cut me out of decisions to do with parenting for the first two years. She breastfed him as a baby and as a toddler, far longer than I wanted, and I think it got in the way of our relationships (my relationship with him and mine with her) as he was always going to her. She would also wait with him upstairs until he went to sleep, rather than trying to get him to bed earlier so we could be together in the evenings. This went on for ages, although he goes to bed ok now without any problems.

Through all this I was working long hours and felt increasingly fed up that my wife hadn't gone back to work after maternity leave. She had applied for part-time working and they had turned her down, so we agreed that she should leave her job as there was no way that we could manage my hours and her old full-time hours, plus look after a baby. However, I felt that she wasn't really making much effort in the meantime to find something else, as jobs in her field tend to just come up once a year. We had a nursery place, but had to defer it for a year when she did not go back to work. There wasn't any other childcare in the area that we were happy with. So in that year she was just living in a bubble of taking our son out to baby groups and activities, doing volunteering and all the while I was supporting her. During that time I told her that I was having doubts about the relationship, but she didnt do much to put things right.

I have a professional job and a high salary (100k plus) and it annoys me that my wife, at the end of that year, went back to work on a lower salary, even though the job is part time (3 days per week). She often says that she really enjoys her job and likes the fact that it is far more flexible than her old job, so she can do nursery pickups etc, but I still feel that she is not really contributing much. Again, she is doing 'what she likes' and I am subsidising her. She pays about £1k into the currrent account each month, but I pay much more and also contribute to savings, which are almost all put in there by me - apart from an inheritance of hers.

She doesn't do that much around the house, as often I come home from work and there are still toys around and our sons things out when I just want to sit down and relax. She does do housework, but i think she does things inefficiently and expects me to pick up the pieces.

Sometimes I feel as if she thinks of our son first and doesn't think of me at all. I just don't seem to figure in what is important, it is all about 'her'. Our sex life has dwindled and I have asked her to dress up etc, but she doesn't seem keen.

She is well-educated, but I sometimes think that she says stupid things just to annoy me. She will come out with something 'funny' or forget things that I have told her and I think she is being deliberately provoking. This makes me feel very stressed. I tell her not to be stupid, but she then tells me I am being aggressive and shouting. I think that she likes to make out that she is the victim in all this.

I don't know what to do as I think she is looking for a way out.

OP posts:
Keztrel · 05/08/2013 16:25

There is no hope for your marriage if you continue to think and behave like a total dick.

MikeOxard · 05/08/2013 16:26

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Armadale · 05/08/2013 16:26

Gosh I'd love to be in Perth, I'm in south london!

LRDYaDumayuShtoTiKrasiviy · 05/08/2013 16:26

I'm guessing this must be a reverse AIBU.

If not - OP, you sound very lucky. You have a wife who ended up agreeing to have a baby (which you had wanted) and you have a very high income.

You come home to toys on the floor and she breastfed - these do not, with all due respect, sound exactly like bad things.

glastocat · 05/08/2013 16:27

Armadale I'm half an hour up the road from Armadale, Perth. Grin

MerlotforOne · 05/08/2013 16:27

Do you know how much it would cost to hire people to do all the work that your wife does, so that you can earn your £100k? Something in the region of £80,000 per annum, I believe. On top of which she's earning circa £25k in her part time job to have that sort of take home, so even in purely financial terms, she's easily matching your contribution to the household.

I get the impression that you find your job stressful and don't enjoy it much? Perhaps you're feeling a bit burned out and resentful? I get that, but, like many busy, professional men, you simply have no clue how much effort goes into raising a child and running a household. It really isn't all swanning off to coffee shops! If you're serious about saving your marriage, I would suggest the following:

  1. Take one week off work, during which your wife must stay out of the house during whatever would be your usual working hours.
  2. Keep your son off nursery for that week.
  3. For one week, you must get him up and dressed, breakfasted and go out to an activity every day that he will enjoy. You must also do ALL the household tasks (laundry, cleaning, food shopping, cooking, washing up, paying bills etc etc) plus deal with any night wakings from your son.
  4. Once your wife arrives home, listen to her talk about her day, put dinner on the table and then go to bed, and be willing to have sex if she wants it, regardless of how tired you are.

One week OP, I challenge you. See how it feels to walk a mile in her shoes. My husband had an attitude very like yours. He got so frustrated and resentful of my 'easy life' that he ended up shoving me and I left him. When he finally realised that he'd risked our relationship for his precious career, he radically reprioritised.

He's been more or less running the household for 7 months now and we've made a lot of changes to make things more equal, including him supporting my career more. We're both happier than we've ever been, but the damage done to my trust and respect towards him by his rotten attitude and lack of support during the brutally difficult early years of my son's life will probably never be fully repaired.

BerkshireMum · 05/08/2013 16:28

For a long while my wife did not want to have children, but eventually she changed her mind and we had our son

What are you doing to take care of the son you wanted OP? Do you just want your DS to go into childcare so your life can carry on as before? Life does change when you become a parent. Your DW gets this. You don't appear to. Unless you understand how much you need to adjust, your marriage won't survive.

alphacourse · 05/08/2013 16:29

This HAS to be a reverse post doesn't it?!

Finola1step · 05/08/2013 16:30

First of all weekend, be prepared for a bumpy ride on this thread.

You seem to have missed the most important point of your marriage - you are meant to work as a team especially when raising children together.

But it is her raising the child, isn't it. It sounds like you would quite like your life to go back to how it was five years ago.

The only way for your marriage to work is to see yourself as a team. A team where you contribute differently but with equal value (and I don't mean monetary) with the shared goal of raising a happy, well rounded child. Your post indicates that you are far, far away from what you need to be as a couple. I suspect you will need professional support to make this marriage work.

The other option is that you leave. Continue to pay the mortgage, provide for your son and meet someone else who will focus her energies solely on you. That way, you free your wife to meet someone else too. Someone who will make her happy, co-parent with her, and probably become a great father figure to your son. Good luck.

Armadale · 05/08/2013 16:30

Ah, no such luck for me, it is my fave book. Armadale

primrose22 · 05/08/2013 16:36

My dp (who isn't my dc's Dad) works very hard to look after us all and is happiest when I'm off work as he loves to think of me being at home with the dcs as he knows I love it. I work (school hrs) and earn considerably less than dp and he's never once put pressure on me to change my job or hours. You sound truly dreadful, totally unsupportive with a huuuuge sense of entitlement and clearly no ability to look at the world through anyone else's eyes.
In answer to your original question, if you change considerably, there maybe hope for your marriage but I'm afraid it is your wife that I feel sorry for, not you.

pinkyredrose · 05/08/2013 16:38

OP how did it come about that you have a DS? Did your wife decide that she was ready to become a mother or did you bully her into it?

You strike.me as someone who is quite keen to get their own way that's all.

antimatter · 05/08/2013 16:42

I'd like to know what are females in your family like?
Are they at home and kept looking after kids & being grateful for whatever their husband hands to them?

Is your mother/sisters/cousins like you would like your wife to be?

i think she does things inefficiently and expects me to pick up the pieces. - yes she on purpose leaves things around the house you your poor self have to lift a finger to do something after coming home form 100K+ job....

I think you sound like you were born 50 years too late.

hellsbellsmelons · 05/08/2013 16:44

OH WOW - This cannot possibly be real???
If it is - your wife should run away and not look back and find herself a man who will love and respect her for who she is!

CoffeeandScones · 05/08/2013 16:48

Christ. I'm a bloke but I'd want out if I was married to the OP.

I started off with a little sympathy over the feeling left out of the family unit etc, but when it descended into paying into the joint account, toys around the house, "asking her to dress up", I lost that sympathy totally. Pick the bloody toys up yourself! What do you want, a maid?

I have a huge rant lined up but what's the point. OP is acting entitled and self centred and would likely not listen to a word anyway. Wish I could write to his DW though....

Keztrel · 05/08/2013 16:49

If you think the only purpose of human beings is to make money, why did you have a child? You must have known someone was going to have to look after it.

SanityClause · 05/08/2013 16:56

Your name is all wrong, Coffeeand Scones.

It should be TeaandScones. (Jam first, cream on top, no butter.)

pardonmytits · 05/08/2013 16:56

Mmm scones.

Keztrel · 05/08/2013 16:58

WTF Sanity? It's cream first Shock

LRDYaDumayuShtoTiKrasiviy · 05/08/2013 16:59

Coffee and scones is fundamentally wrong.

And I say that as a coffee lover.

(I do really fancy a nice creamy, warm scone now, dammit.)

CoffeeandScones · 05/08/2013 17:00

Woah there Sanity!

At a risk of hijacking a (tbh ridiculous anyway) thread, it's cream first then jam. And definitely butter too. I'll brook no debate on that.

Tea's fine, I'll give you that - I think I just picked my name based on what I was eating and drinking at the time :-)

worsestershiresauce · 05/08/2013 17:00

This has got to be a wind up. Has to be. No one could be that much of an arse... could they????

If it's not, OP I sincerely hope your wife wakes up, smells the coffee and walks out. You are a self centred, thoughtless bastard who has no idea just how much your wife has given up, and how little you contribute.

LillyGoLightly · 05/08/2013 17:01

Rollontheweekend,

I think you have not taken a lot of things your wife does into consideration. For someone who didn't really want children in the first place to have a child is a massive directional change in life. Also people who plan children and want children for years still find it a massive shock at how much having a child changes your life!!! You are only 3 years into this!!! Its actually still early days, you child is still very dependent in lots of ways at just age 3!!

I also think that having this child, has obviously left you feeling neglected (I am not saying that's right or wrong) however you now seem to be in some sort of self competition with your wife over who does what and who does the most!

You say your wife has only recently gone back to work, and even then its only part time...I can tell you that when I had each of my children (2) I didn't want to go back to work either, I wanted be with them and not leave them in the care of other people. I stayed at home with each of them for a year before returning to work. When I did return to work I have to admit (as your wife has) that I did find it rather enjoyable...and not because work itself was enjoyable, but because time away from being a wife/mother was nice, it was a way of having a bit of ME time!

From what you say about her working, and her enjoying her job sounds like you resent it very much. As if you think of her work as a daily jaunt where she has fun, because its only part time, and because she enjoys it. Rest assured OP that she just enjoys the adult time and being just herself at work!

With regards to the housework issue, well I think you really severely underestimate what a full time job looking after a 3 year old is!!! From what you have said she sounds like a good mother, a good mother who does do housework (though not up to your standards!) and a she works (though only part time and underpaid in your eyes). I don't know if this is how you intended it to come off OP, but to be honest you come across as critical and actually controlling! Just pointing that out to you in case you didn't realise!

About your relationship with your son: You say she breastfed for a long time, longer than you wanted. Due to to this you feel your son is more bonded with his mother than with you. There is only one way to change that, spend some quality time with you son by yourself. There was nothing wrong with your wife breastfeeding your son for a long as she felt she wanted/he needed, but if you were/are concerned that if has affected your relationship, then it is up to you and you alone to make that change with him, not your wife. you are quiet capable of building an equally strong and close bond with your son, after all you are his father, you are and should be the male role model of everything he wants and aspires to be when he grows up, and no doubt at just 3 he already looks up to you!

To tackle your intimacy issues, I think your first need to tackle your own issues, because its clear to me you are holding a lot of resentment towards your wife. I have no doubt that she feels this, and it will not be doing anything to help you reconnect as a couple. It is normal for some men to feel pushed out when a child comes into their lives, but at 3 your son is not a baby anymore and as he gets older he will become more and more independent, which will leave you with time to spare as a couple. But if you want to continue as a couple you have to start supporting your wife emotionally, mentally etc as mother, as a working woman, and in as many ways you can think of. Supporting her in her efforts as a wife/mother/woman and supporting her in your joint efforts as a couple/family is NOT considered appeasing her/or giving it to HER needs, it's supporting each other, it's about making each other happy, feeling loved and supported the common goal of being together and sharing BOTH the burdens and joys of life!!

You have to stop the resentment, you are very lucky to be able to earn 100K a year, however she can not match this I meant lets face it most people can't match it, but she does at least contribute financially and she also contributes by raising your son and by being a good mother! Raising your son is the most important job she and YOU will ever have, I would be grateful that she is so keen to do the best job she can, and you should be supporting her in this. I bet if you did that, your wife might just be a whole lot warmer towards you!

captainmummy · 05/08/2013 17:01

Totally unreal.

Who are you really, op?

AgathaF · 05/08/2013 17:07

You sound like an over indulged prick TBH. Whilst you carry on in your highly paid career, your wife has to turn her life inside out trying to accommodate the needs of your child whilst working around your selfishly long hours. Where do you help and support, apart from being lucky enough to earn decent money?

Pick up the toys yourself. Her role is a mother, not a cleaner running around tidying up ready for the lord and master to return. There is more to being a father than putting money into the bank account, and actually, since she is having to work part-time in order to be a parent, you should be contributing more than her.

Geez, get your head out of your arse and see the real picture, before you lose her completely.