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EricNorthmansFangbanger · 31/07/2013 12:16

PiL have a caravan. When they bought it they were overly enthusiastic about taking DD1 (5) and about us using it. I was heavily pregnant when they bought it and had said to DH that we would be looking at going the end of summer if at all this year. I did also mention that I would prefer if DD1 didn't go before we had at least been once and DH agreed.

PiL have been going on and on about going and taking DD1. DH said we wanted to go with her first at least and although that was acknowledged, they kept on. We don't yet drive (have my test booked in a few weeks though!) and for us to go before getting a car both MiL and FiL have to take their own cars to get us all there. For this reason alone I didn't want to go until we could go ourselves. DH had a few days booked off mid July. After already talking me round to go for a few days mid August, he mentioned about going for the weekend. I very reluctantly agreed. Two weeks before we were meant to be going MiL came up to help us with something. Whilst I was in the car she came back into the house (told me she had left the car keys inside) and started to turn on the waterworks to DH asking to take DD1 to the caravan that weekend. Her words to him were 'we never ask you for anything. Please please please.'. DH said 'we'll see' and left it at that. When I arrived back home he told me straight about it and I reiterated my stance on it. He agreed. MiL rang 2 days later and made no mention of the caravan. DH rang the following evening to sort out the logistics for the following weekend. FiL was under the impression that they were taking DD1 in a few days because MiL had told him DH had said yes. Queue much grumbling from FiL and a mini fallout. He demanded reasons why DD1 could not go with them and the reasons my DH gave were not good enough.

We did eventually end up going the weekend after to make FiL happy. I didn't enjoy it at all. DS is 5 months old and breast feeds very frequently, usually every hour but can be less, during the day from the moment he wakes until the moment he goes to sleep. He ended up going longer between feeds and I paid for it when we got home. DD2 (2) ended up totally out of sync and didn't sleep until 2.30am on the first night (we only got there at 10pm) and 11pm on the second night. She also ended up with a split lip because FiL let her run down a sloped driveway covered in stones without holding her hand. DD1 ended up being ill and FiL kept pointing out the other children running about to us and saying 'I thought DD1 would be like that'. We had to dose her with calpol as she had quite a high temperature. FiL seemed put out that we decided to not want to go back to the beach before we left for home as DD1 still was unwell, though we had gone the day before with the help of calpol. He also said to her that he wouldn't take her to see the chickens they have on the site if she didn't eat her tea. Which she didn't eat because she was feeling so unwell.

When we got back DH and I talked about the visit planned for august. I told him I didn't think we should go again until we had our own car. I also said that I'd like to go a few more times with DD1 before she goes without us. DH agreed with this but said to reconsider us going again in August. He rang PiL last week and MiL put FiL on. He talked about taking DD1 next weekend and he has pretty much ended up agreeing (without saying yes) because, as he said when he got off the phone, he cannot say no to his dad. I have two issues with this. One is that we agreed to wait until next year before she went without us, after we had been a few more times with her. Two is that them taking her would coincide with the fortnight DH has booked off work. He told me that DD1 wouldn't be going anywhere if those weeks so to make sure my parents have her stay over before then. He is now considering letting PiL just take DD1 to keep the peace. I have said no. The trouble is, as soon as he says no then FiL will go into a strop and demand reasons why. It will also mean that we will definitely be unable to go the week and a bit after.

I have kept my mouth shut with regards to any caravan talk as I didn't even want us to go this year. I am not keen to visit again with PiL, it's too cramped and is so far removed from being anything like a holiday. DH has still not rang PiL to tell them about not taking DD1, in fear of the impending kick off. I do not feel I can speak to FiL properly due to past history (I.e. telling DH to not marry me 6 weeks before the wedding). There have been problems with PiL since I fell unexpectedly pregnant with DD1. We told MiL when I was 14 weeks pregnant and she forebade DH to tell FiL until she thought it was the best time...which was when I was almost 8 months pregnant. She pretended she didn't know when DH told them both together and DH just went along with it. She does this a lot, keeping things from people/playing people off/turning on the waterworks when she has done wrong. I've told DH I am not willing to put up with it anymore.

What do we do? I don't think we should have to just do something to make them happy otherwise FiL will fall out with us. DH doesn't want the hassle of an argument, which is why we ended up going the caravan the other week. It's 3 hours drive away, we don't drive and can't get there easily if there was a problem for DD1, as well as the other reasons we have. I must stress, if it were my parents then the answer would be exactly the same! Am I being to harsh?

TIA

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EricNorthmansFangbanger · 31/07/2013 12:20

Sorry that should have been *cue much grumbling! Blush

Also, sorry it's so long! [Gin]

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Cabrinha · 31/07/2013 12:24

I'll admit I skimmed the second half, it's very long!
I get your issue with H not standing up to FIL.

But I honestly don't understand at all... You have 2 younger children and you're pregnant, yet you're turning down a weekend away with grandparents for your 5yo?!

Unless there's a reason not to trust PIL or D won't be happy, why not just say yes? I don't understand. At that she, she'll have some lovely memories of being away with them.

There are a few issues - not fair to punish for not eating, if unwell... but it sounds like he whole weekend was fraught. If generally they're OK, go for it. Why not suggest your D does an overnighter at PIL house? So they all get used to that first.

I can't work out whether PIL are crap (like the eating thing) or you're a little precious - like the younger child falling when not hand held. I'm all "happens!" about that.

HeySoulSister · 31/07/2013 12:25

Why don't you want her to go?

Cabrinha · 31/07/2013 12:27

I missed the bit about not telling FIL about your pregnancy.., your MIL is a loon - but your H is a wet blanket enabling it!

Onesleeptillwembley · 31/07/2013 12:27

Your pil sound a pain, but now you've been, I really can't see why you wouldn't let her go for the weekend. She wants to go. You sound like you're being obstructive and finding reasons not to go.

EricNorthmansFangbanger · 31/07/2013 12:33

Sorry I realise it's so long, I didn't want to leave anything out. Also I'm not pregnant anymore, only when they were buying the caravan. DS is now 5 months old.

I don't mind DD1 staying over at their own house, she has done a few times and they only live an hour away by car (an hour and 20 by train). I don't mind them having her stay at their own house for a few days. I suppose it's a bit different them taking her on 'holiday'. They can be slightly wishy washy with safety at times. I only mentioned DD2 as where she fell is the road to get in and out of the site and she will just run if you let her. I guess I am being a bit precious as I would have held her hand at all times there.

Thank you for your reply Smile

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Cluffyflump · 31/07/2013 12:34

Are you just trying to upset them?
I really can't see why you wouldn't let her go.
I can understand that you don't like them (they do sound like hard work tbh), but you need to remember that their relationship with Dd is separate to their relationship with you.

Cluffyflump · 31/07/2013 12:38

I get that they aren't as on the ball with your 2yr old. I wouldn't trust them with her but they should be fine with Dd1 as she's that much older.
Have a chat about safty with Dd and pil before they go.

bigmouthstrikesagain · 31/07/2013 12:41

if you don't want your dd to go on holiday without you till she is older just say to pil no till she is 7 or whatever, You have failed to clearly explain why you don't want her to go in your op so I am not surprised your in-laws keep asking. leave no ambiguity decide yoyr stance and repeat it don't allow pil to oush you, but don't be unnecessarily stubborn, good luck Smile

peggyundercrackers · 31/07/2013 12:47

i dont get why you dont want her to go - your reasons are weak at best. There is no difference to her being at their house or their caravan - she is with them which is what counts.

Its an amazing chance to allow your dd to spend time with her grandparents.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 31/07/2013 13:04

If the ils are dismissive about her not feeling well, and using food to control, DD1 may come to her own conclusion to not want to go sooner rather than later...so don't forget to ask her if she wants to go or not!

Imho, it sounds like they won't take "no" for an answer and mil is working the manipulation game to win. The comment that DD1 would be frolicking about just like the other kids brings to mind that the ils may want her as a prop for the happy family check list. So it isn't really about having DD1 come so DD1 can have a good time, is it?

Why are you (well, not you, but your dh) letting fil's potential moodiness control your answer? You/and dh are adults and your feelings/decisions should be respected. If fil has a tissy then that is his problem. Your dh needs to say it straight and often until they understand that (and until dh understands it as well).

EricNorthmansFangbanger · 31/07/2013 13:06

Sorry I've been seeing to DS. I'm not letting her not go to try and upset them, not at all. There have been many problems over the years, far too many to list and I think that sometimes leaks into my perceptions of them and situations. I also have problems with anxiety, which I understand I shouldn't let that influence me but it does.

We'd like her to have gone with us a few times and to get used to the place, but mainly we would also like her to be a little bit older and have some more sense about her. One thing that troubles me is I don't believe they will keep as close an eye on her than we would. I'm also not happy with the way FiL can be in terms of the example from our last trip. I'm letting anxiety getting in the way too much aren't I?

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BerthaTheBogCleaner · 31/07/2013 13:15

I'd go with "No, she isn't coming, because we don't want her to. We don't have to give any more reason than that, because we are her parents, she is not your toy. Stop bullying us, or we will fall out and you won't see her at all".

I agree that it sounds like they want to tick the happy families box. Bullying her rather than caring for her, when she was ill, was not on, either.

I'd think twice about letting her stay at their house - is their behaviour the kind of thing you want your children to grow up thinking is normal, or to learn to copy?

pictish · 31/07/2013 13:15

I just don't inderstand the strength of your feelings here. You're just making it all about you, and what you want, and how what you say goes, and your feelings and in and in you you you!

There is no good reason for your daughter not to go, other than your silly self centred ones.

My eldest spent 2 weeks in France with his grandparents at their new house when he was five. I'd never even been myself, but it wasn't convenient for us and there's no way we'd have had him miss out.

You're being selfish as fuck over nothing!

pictish · 31/07/2013 13:16

on and on you you you

bragmatic · 31/07/2013 13:16

Yes, to your last question. Smile

Does your daughter want to go?

EricNorthmansFangbanger · 31/07/2013 13:16

AndTheBand - DH has always had a fraught relationship with his dad and never feels as though he can speak his mind. His dad can be very childish and go into a strop unnecessarily. I have told him all of this needs to stop, especially the whole thing his mum does. I could give many examples of past events and as I've got older I've become less tolerant to it all. DH wants to just keep the peace for a quiet life, but it means always agreeing with them.

As for playing happy families, I'm not sure. I know they love DD1, don't get me wrong, but it felt like the way he was commenting like DD1 was ill on purpose. MiL tends to call herself mummy by mistake far too often when talking to DD1 for my liking but that's another thing altogether.

The other thing that's slightly annoying me is the fact if my parents had asked for DD1 to stay over for a few days in DH's fortnight off I would have got earache for it and she still wouldn't have gone.

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BerthaTheBogCleaner · 31/07/2013 13:16

I'm letting anxiety getting in the way too much aren't I

No. Trust your instincts, keep your children safe.

You PILs are irrational bullying loons and you think they are fit to look after your precious children?

pictish · 31/07/2013 13:18

Yes you are.

EricNorthmansFangbanger · 31/07/2013 13:19

I'm not making it about me Pictish. Is there any need to be so rude? I'm asking for advice and trying to explain the best I can - or is that not allowed?

brag - yes I think she does

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BerthaTheBogCleaner · 31/07/2013 13:20

By "playing happy families" we mean that they like the idea of it. But that the reality doesn't match up - they want happy families where they sit comfortably not putting any effort in, and the gc frolic picturesquely in the sun. If the gc get ill, are tired, require looking after, keeping safe etc then they get cross, have a strop, just don't bother etc.

HeySoulSister · 31/07/2013 13:21

You are denying your DD something here.... Not the in laws,your daughter!!

Your 'anxieties' will pass on to your dc if you aren't careful. There will always be done reason to say no when she's 6/7/8.... So just face it, it's never going to happen

BerthaTheBogCleaner · 31/07/2013 13:21

Eric I don't think Pictish has read your posts ...

BeCool · 31/07/2013 13:22

well as I see it you can either go and have a miserable time pleasing your IL's at your own misery, OR you say something like this - "it's too cramped and is so far removed from being anything like a holiday for us we would rather not go at this point. But thanks for asking".

if your IL's choose to sulk about it it is their CHOICE to do so.

Just as you can choose to be emotionally manipulated by them or not.

HeySoulSister · 31/07/2013 13:22

bertha really?? How come op let's them stay at the gp house regularly then?