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came across a few interesting texts, now what?

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houmousandcarrotsandwich · 22/07/2013 07:00

Been married to dh for 7 years in August and have 2 young dc. As far as I was aware all was ok, life has been hard work with 2 little ones but I assume this is normal.
Then last night dh had left his phone on charge while he showered (he's usually very attached to it) and as I went passed he received a text. It flashes up who and the message, I see its a woman (whose name I've never heard him mention). Message said something along the lines of I hate it when we talk and everyone is watching. Do I hsd a quick look at his messsges. Only had a few minutes but looked pretty friendly all texts ending in kisses, there were also similar from another woman.

I have never gone through his phone before. What the hell do I do now?! If I confront him I show I've been through his phone and don't trust him (which before last night I did)

Any ideas on how I get any more evidence?

OP posts:
alphacourse · 23/07/2013 20:07

Have you had a look to see if he is back on the websites? You can do a postcode search on most of them. Set up a disposable email account first though, so you don't get a million messages.

janeplane · 23/07/2013 22:20

I'm finding this thread encapsulating. Firstly Seth, go you! You are absolutely right, and a voice of reason in this thread. Ledkr however, you are of course, also right, in all you say.

People should be strong, people should confront their fears and ask for the truth.

However, I don't see the point of this support network as that where we stand on our higher ground of 'experience' in responding to need and expect the same behaviours that we have learned as a result of coming through the hardship and pain that life lessons have taught us.

Some compassion please. We've been there, I lost the man I thought I loved. Overnight he became a man I didn't recognise. Looked the same, but not the same. I could not think clearly. I took a lot of support from this network at the time from people who understood where I was at and helped me through it.

I would have given anything to know the truth. Instinctively I knew I was being lied to. But I didn't want to believe it.

I wanted evidence before I broke my marriage and changed the lives of my children forever. And now it seems for OP, the worst has happened. The truth is no longer a suspicion.

Surely our place here is to coach and support and use our 'experience' to help OP come to the same position of strength that those who have been though it have hopefully achieved.

Not to wave it in their face and dictate rational behaviours of those who have come out the other side. OP needs support and encouragement to start the long and painful process of separation as a result of breaches in trust and fidelity.

On the subject of physical confirmation.

Is it not obvious and a common fact of life, that the socially dysfunctional, weak, insecure and dishonest, use mobile technology,
the internet and social media to build emotional attachments with other people that give them assurance, confirmation and approval to continue their self indulgent betrayal?

Also, that this is no less a breach of trust than a physical encounter?

Self indulgent, assurance/pleasure seeking, weak willed people that we mistakenly thought were the man/woman of our dreams?

Why should we assume for one moment that others just waking up to this reality have all of our wisdom, reason and answers on how to come to terms with it?

Come on team mumsnet, lets stop talking about ourselves and engage with OP in a constructive way to support her through something painful, scary and heartbreaking.

OP, I will message you.

swallowedAfly · 23/07/2013 22:36

hadn't noticed anyone dictating from on high Confused

some said go ask him, check his reaction and that is what the OP did in the end. and she found out that he is back at his old habits and worse as he knows and sees these women (and let's face it that means he has been at least 'flirting' face to face too and having little meet ups).

OP - how are you doing now? any thoughts on what you want to do or what you want to happen next?

Buttercup4 · 23/07/2013 22:58

I agree swallowedAFly ... janeplane what posts did you think were like that?

Houmous, I think you were very brave to confront him, it took me months to do the same. I hope you and your DC are ok.

janeplane · 23/07/2013 23:56

"it mystifies me how people can sit and eat together, lay down and sleep in the same bed nightly and share the raising of children and not be able to just have an upfront discussion"

"I often wonder how people are married and have kids with people who they then can't be upfront with"

Enjoy your self righteous bubbles

For the rest of us, we will live in the real world.

blueshoes · 24/07/2013 00:14

Agree with you, janeplane

SunshineBossaNova · 24/07/2013 01:17

Someone very close to me has been going through something very similar this week. Good luck OP x

libertine73 · 24/07/2013 01:31

hey op, how are you doing? did you get a reply from the woman you messaged?

houmousandcarrotsandwich · 24/07/2013 06:43

(Prepares for an ear bashing)...
He's still here.

Talked alot last night. He swears it was nothing more, says why would he want more when he's got more at home etc

I'm willing to try and make things work, to give him another chance. But I have said there are absolutely no more chances. By giving him this final chance, I can justify to my kids I gave him a chance to make our family work.

We are making a conscious effort to have more couple time.

I have booked an sti check for me.

Thank you for all your support, some of you have the most awful stories of betrayal.

OP posts:
houmousandcarrotsandwich · 24/07/2013 06:58

I also ment to say I'm glad it's out in the open. I feel much less coiled up inside.

OP posts:
houmousandcarrotsandwich · 24/07/2013 06:59

I also ment to say I'm glad it's out in the open. I feel much less coiled up inside.

Ow never replied, probably best

OP posts:
Mixxy · 24/07/2013 07:21

Nobody is going to bash you! But shouldn't it be him that goes for the STI check? Why shoukd you have something shoved up your fanjo when it is he who broke the trust. A littke umbrella up his knob is a small token for trust breaking.

Good luck with it. Please update on how it goes.

DfanjoUnchained · 24/07/2013 07:24

Good luck op, I hope things work out. He has to be very open with you now, with phone and emails etc

ofmiceandmen · 24/07/2013 07:34

He's good, oh man he's good.
If he can bat off emotional affairs with the "why would he want more when he's got more at home" line and get away with it - he really should be playing at Lords.
I'm glad you've been able to forgive OP. just understand what it is you have forgiven.
I'm actually all for reconciliation so wish you the best of luck.

ofmiceandmen · 24/07/2013 07:44

PS... Please don't now start trying to compete or be better than x or y text OW. If you're making more time to be a couple it needs to be both making the effort. you have DC and unless he was doing a lions share of the work i can't see how you can make more time from what's already there.
If he needs you to be more fun, more bubbly more whatever, he needs to give yo the extra time by taking the extra work load. then maybe he won't have time for texting so much.

You set the ground rules. but work together as a team. ok enough rambling - good luck.
(couldn't sit here twiddling my thumbs waiting for the likes of Cogito, Dahlen or Lweji to finally catch wind of this or and of course AF haha and all the wonderful women and men on this site Grin )

swallowedAfly · 24/07/2013 07:46

that quote was from me btw not ledkr who you directed your other post at and it wasn't dictating or being self righteous but honest. it DOES mystify me how someone can live like that and tolerate the level of psychic stress and anxiety and eventually utter numbness that it must cause or as the OP has just put it, paraphrasing, feeling so coiled up inside. that isn't me being self righteous whilst the other is living in reality - that's me saying strive for reality and facing it because the alternative is soul destroying.

it mystifies how anyone can tolerate such awful worries, concerns and fears in silence whilst going through the motions of normality with the person right there beside them in bed or at the dinner table without feeling safe enough or important enough maybe to voice it and get it dealt with. not because i'm looking down from on high but because when i empathise with that situation i know i would find it intolerable - literally crazymaking.

back to houmous i am so not here to bash you! what i would say is if you want to give it another chance then words isn't enough is it? two conversations and it's all back under the rug? a) he needs to go for the sti check not you as you haven't put yourself at risk - he has and even if you're clear it might just be that he has something that he hasn't passed to you yet or hasn't developed in him enough to have become contagious yet etc and b) what is going to change him? the fear of losing you? because that was there last time and didn't stop him so what is the actual plan for change? i would have thought him agreeing to go for counselling and address why he behaves like this would be a step in the right direction as well as agreeing to talk about stuff up front from now on and have strategies.

so not going to bash you for wanting to give your marriage a try but if that is the way forward for you it needs more than cross fingers and wait and wonder if you'll ever catch him again or he'll just do it all from work on a payg mobile now. he needs to address and change his behaviour and you need proof he's doing that.

Ledkr · 24/07/2013 07:46

You do what you want op. none if us have to live your life or know the whole story.
Of course you want to give it your best shot and hopefully it will work out.
If not we are all still here. Good luck.

changeforthebetter · 24/07/2013 07:51

Umm, you were grief-stricken and he needed to have Internet sex to cope.............Sad This is a grown man, right? I wish you lots of luck and strength, sweetie. I don't think you were "weak" either - you needed support after the loss of your Dad. Calling your H a worm seems like an insult to worms!

Thisisaeuphemism · 24/07/2013 07:56

Good luck op, he seems to have got you to ignore his behavior around these other women.
That's very clever.
Please be careful, I don't doubt he'll go into work and tell them they need to be a bit more discrete for a bit.

MadAboutHotChoc · 24/07/2013 08:10

Have just posted this link elsewhere and will post it here

Good luck.

blueshoes · 24/07/2013 08:11

OP, your dh is good at minimising and somehow making you feel like it is your fault. This must feel like deja vu to you.

Sorry it is not an easy time for you but just be aware the leopard has not changed his spots from just after you got married.

Buttercup4 · 24/07/2013 08:22

An ok janeplane I see what you meant! Your post makes sense now. Smile

OP, no one else is living your life and I wouldn't judge you for any decisions you make. When my DH cheated on me, it was horrible. He slept with a random woman and his ex and had told his ex some very very personal things about me and my past. I forgave him because it felt like the right thing for me to do. I didn't ask him to move out, I wanted him there so we could work through our problems. Yes, it was a difficult few months and I'm sure some people would think I was mad for forgiving him, however, I did what I thought was the right thing because I was the one who was living with the consequences! We are in a much better place now and very very few people know about his infidelity.

My advice to you would be to keep who you talk to about this restricted to friends and family you can trust not to judge you and those who won't throw your decisions back in your face.

Fairenuff · 24/07/2013 10:25

I have booked an sti check for me

And has he booked one for himself? The very least he could do. You know, to show you that he takes you seriously, respects you, is trying to work the relationship/

If not it's all just words and will come back to haunt you.

But, good luck.

libertine73 · 24/07/2013 10:28

Morning op. I'm glad you feel better, you know where we are. Good luck love.

Jan45 · 24/07/2013 15:11

Why are you talking STI checks if he hasn't had sex with anyone or have I missed something? Of course it's your decision but sounds like he's had a slap on the wrist and that's been it, no bad for him, meanwhile you wallow in uncertainty and images of him with other women, great.

Sorry to sound harsh but if you give him the green light so easily you are effectively telling him what he did is ok, good chance he'll do it again.

I really hope I am wrong and he is going to pull out all the stops to show you that he does love you cos his actions say otherwise.