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Found on DP tablet...

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Kione · 16/07/2013 15:56

A series of flirting conversations with old friends, one or two with whome he's had sex. I have been with him 7 years had DD in 2009, these chats are from 2010,11 Dec. 2013...
and one dodgy conversation about his phone being left under the sofa at one of his colleages (female) house. It might be the night they had the xmas party when he told me he stayed at the hotel where the party was. But I am not sure. Even if it wasnt the night of the party, he has never mentioned going to her house.
If you remember me, we havent been getting on that great, and we went through a stage where I didnt feel like having sex with him...
So I am so confused. Should I confront him? how'??
I only opened his tablet cos our computer is being repaired, fb wad open with these chats. I am sure many more could have been deleted...
I dont know how to feel right now Sad

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TheOrchardKeeper · 18/07/2013 18:05

^ that's the thing. If he holds out then she may never know, which is a difficult place to be in. It may come down to having to make a decision in the future based on not much more. But only op knows him if the relationship is worth salvaging (sounds like although it was on the up there were considerably important issues going on besides this) and whether or not she'll be able to trust him after this, proof or not.

No trust marks the end of the relationship (or a healthy one) IMO.

Like you said, it's a hard one and I can't imagine how it must feel to try and work it all out.

alphacourse · 18/07/2013 18:13

Honestly - the thing is, even if you get proof or an admission, you will start to wonder whether there has been anybody else that you don't know about. The hard part is that they don't come clean straight away and lie to your face. That is where I am at. I know lots. But do I know it all? Would you consider a polygraph? I have - although it is soooo Jeremy Vile isn't it?!

Twinklestein · 18/07/2013 18:15

Isatdown - the text itself is ambiguous. It sounds likely that they're lying but you have to confront a lying cheat with concrete proof of their lies - otherwise they can just wiggle.

If the text read 'thanks for the great fuck' then we'd all know where we are.

Kione · 18/07/2013 18:47

The thing is, if I knew the truth we could talk, forgive because I know we had problems.
I just asked him how is he so calm about it all (supossing it wasnt true) and he days he is trying really hard because he knows I am having a hard time this week with several different things. I ak getting nowhere. Its hard to believe he can lie so much. I am still looking for a flat.

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alphacourse · 19/07/2013 07:00

How are you feeling this morning?

Kione · 19/07/2013 07:57

Still don't know... DP is extra nice, I tell him that is not a normal reaction if he is not lying, he keeps saying the same things. I have doubts I honestly am taking on board everything said here, but I cant dump him because of the opinions of people that dont really know us (as much as I apreaciate your time to read, write, explain...)
I literally don't know what to do next because I am actually busy applying for jobs Dr appointments etc.
Feel trapped, never been so confused in my life.
And if I am permitting myself to.doubt is because of DD. If we didnt have her I'd been long gone.
Sorry if I am rambling, that is how my brain seems to work now.

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Kione · 19/07/2013 07:58

Oh and thanks for asking Brew
Its heart warming.

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alphacourse · 19/07/2013 08:03

IMHO when you are in shock is not the best time to make life decisions! People say not to make a definite choice for 12 weeks. Nobody here will judge you for being confused or having doubts!

PrincessKitKat · 19/07/2013 08:23

Try not to put yourself under pressure to make the right choice right this minute.

As PP said, it's a slow burner and nobody would want to see you throw your relationship away because of website advice - we don't know you or your partner so can't judge what's best for your family. Whatever happens can only be your decision.

If you feel so muddled could you get away with DD for a few days, get some headspace & perspective? Is there any family you could go & visit? Or make the most if this sunshine & have a weekend by the sea, or just a day trip somewhere new might help?

MadAboutHotChoc · 19/07/2013 09:03

I agree with those who say not to make a long term decision.

I would just focus on yourself - job applications, friends, hobbies etc. Try and do nice things such a day trip, a hair cut, coffee with friends or whatever makes you feel good. This will help boost your self esteem and make you feel stronger.

Wowserz129 · 19/07/2013 09:12

Kione you clearly don't trust him, he is clearly lying. They have teamed up with there stories and are trying to make a fool out of you. You really have to say to yourself that you deserve better. Your relationship is not healthy whether he is lying or on the very small chance he is not.

mumat39 · 19/07/2013 10:25

Hello OP.

Right, sorry to go against the general consensus here, but could he actually be telling the truth about staying in the hotel?

I'm curious about this, as he has acted calmly, has said he wants to give you space, he understands why you're not happy about the messages on his tablet. On other threads where the partners have got angry or shouted or or or, posters on here say they must be angry because they've been caught out. Your OH hasn't behaved in this way.

Also their replies to your questions are about what happened a long time ago. I don't remember the detail of everything that happened a long time ago, but I might remember some of the facts.

I think You said he deletes messages, so could it be that there were others where he asked about the phone, she said I picked it up, it should be in my bag, I'll check? And then she can't find it, so she has to look again and then finds it under the sofa where the contents of her bag had spilled out. I'm always losing things under sofas as things are always falling out of my bag.

I'm just worrying that you're so troubled by this and it can't be good for your health or sanity. Could it be that he really does feel bad for the messages between them that he did stay at the hotel?

I'm probably way off the mark here, but I've been following this thread and my underlying feeling has been that maybe he did stay at the hotel. you went through a tricky patch and have worked through this together and are now in a happy place.

I'm playing devils advocate here because you sound so torn. For what it's worth, I wouldn't be able to forgive the nature of the flirty messages between them, but you seem to be saying that that in itself doesn't worry you as they are good friends, but the lying about where he stayed does.

I'm sorry if I've misquoted you. My ex cheated on me and that was it for us. It started with messages as soon as I suspected I started to detach, and then when I had the proof I left. I don't mean to add to the confusion, but just wanted to share my thoughts.

TheOrchardKeeper · 19/07/2013 10:33

Agree with madabouthotchoc and others.

Just take some space and time to let the shock subside and make sure whatever you decide is the right choice for you.

Especially agree about doing things for yourself and trying to boost your confidence whilst you're deciding Smile

newforest · 19/07/2013 11:52

I don't think you should leave him on a presumption, however definitive the evidence may seem. Life is not that easy to just pick up and go. I don't have children (yet), but I don't think I would walk away from my partner based on an event such as this. However, if there was absolute proof and he admitted it, I don't think I could stay then, as the relationship would change and he would no longer be the same person to me.

Do what YOU need and want to do; it's your life and your relationship.

Kione · 19/07/2013 12:25

newforest, thats the thing, I need concrete proof before I take such huge lifechanging decision.
Sorry I cant write much I am out and about with DD
But will catch up. I really appreciate all the comments.

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TheOrchardKeeper · 19/07/2013 13:20

You may never get it though but always have a feeling that you were lied to or that something happened.

Have you considered what you would do if that is the case?

Hope you're doing something nice with DD Smile

TheOrchardKeeper · 20/07/2013 08:36

How are you feeling this morning op ? Brew

Kione · 20/07/2013 09:14

hi... same, same. I asked.him last night why he is do calm and nice and living as if nothing happened and he said its because he is embarrassed snd ashamed of the flirty messages. I asked what about the other stuff snd he said "no! because nothing happened!" he said it looks like I am trying to find an excuse to split up and for first time he looked mildly pissed off and went to bed.

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Kione · 20/07/2013 09:15

And yes, I have thought of that and I am just going to keep my options open. Stay here but keep looking at flats and apply for jobs.

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TheOrchardKeeper · 20/07/2013 09:18

Well so he should be (in regards to the flirty messages).

If it's going to be a stalemate for sometime then do you think it may be worth trying to do some stuff just for you. Concentrate on yourself for a bit and just trying to feel better in yourself whilst trying to deal with all this. It has quite the grinding-down effect so it can't hurt to try?

Hope you had a good day with DD yesterday Smile

Kione · 20/07/2013 09:18

Mumat, the flirty messages where not to this woman. It was longer ago to other women. None of the live near us now. With this other one just that conversation.

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Kione · 20/07/2013 09:22

TheOrchard, thanks we went on a picnic to a park but it was so hot we decided to come back home and fill the paddling pool. Its quite big so I went in with her. We had fun Grin
I want to concentrate on myself yes, to be honest I have always been free to do nice things for myself, I just need money... if I get a job I will travel to visit a friend by myself.

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TheOrchardKeeper · 20/07/2013 09:27

That sounds like a very good plan Smile

Glad you had fun. It was hot. I spent the day melting in my living room after being silly enough to try and walk 1mile into town with a very energetic DS Grin silly me!

flumperoo · 20/07/2013 09:32

Sorry if you've already covered this and I've missed it, but has he explained why he was sharing a taxi after the party if he stayed at the hotel?

Kione · 20/07/2013 09:40

He got a taxi by himself in the morning because he had drunk a lot (all paid by the company so they tend to take advantage!) and he thought he still wasnt fit to drive. I know.

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