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Moving from being the OW to being his girlfriend...

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beingmyself · 26/06/2013 14:41

I've got my flameproof suit on and will start by saying I know being in an affair is a selfish and cruel thing to do. I did it. He did it. We decided we wanted to be together so after having an affair for several months we both left our spouses. He has moved out and so has my h.
We are not living together though and are not intending to for a while. We are also still secret and will remain so for some time.

Is anyone who has been there brave enough to come and talk to me about the highs and lows of finally getting to be together? I knew it would continue to be a rollercoaster and would really appreciate anyone who's willing to talk about it with me to do so here or to PM me!

Thanks

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LittlePeaPod · 02/07/2013 09:09

Yes I am sure the two little kids now homeless living in one room with their pregnant mother because daddy hangedthe locks are much happier.

LookingForwardToMarch · 02/07/2013 09:09

Reggie I don't think anyone is saying that people should stay together if they are unhappy, thats ridiculous.

People are just pointing out that there is a dignified and sensitive way to do this that does not cause such pain or devastation.

For example: ending an unhappy relationship, putting your kids feelings first and taking time to grieve before moving on.

My nan was right. If you have to lie about something then it wasn't the right thing to do.

reggiebean · 02/07/2013 09:10

At the moment? Probably not. In the future? Probably so.

reggiebean · 02/07/2013 09:16

Looking I'm not at all disagreeing that affairs are terrible things, but the women here who are crucifying the OP, and using her children to make their point, are way off base. There are just as many kids who were subject to parental affairs/divorces as a child who grow up to be healthy, fully-functional adults, capable of real, loving relationships, as there are kids who had two loving parents who grow up to become complete train wrecks.

I'm not saying what the OP did was right in any way, just that her children shouldn't be used to project other poster's negative experiences on to.

LookingForwardToMarch · 02/07/2013 09:20

Selba, what experience are you drawing that from?

Did one if your parents cheat?

Did it destroy a family that you thought was happy?

Mine did, and yes as you get older, you lose respect for that parent.

I used to wish my mother had had the honesty to just leave the marriage. Many of my friends parents got divorces and they were handled very well. I used to be jealous of them.

LittlePeaPod · 02/07/2013 09:23

I don't believe anyone has used her kids against her. I believe people have pointed out the damage and hurt she is causing at the moment. If you read through the thread you will see the Op was the one accusing OMs wife of damaging the kids and EA him. She even convinced him when he didn't think his wife was EA. That's when people pointed out that she had no evidence of EA and in all likihood the deception and affair were more damaging than the support provided by their loving mother.

LookingForwardToMarch · 02/07/2013 09:24

Reggie I agree the kids can turn out great or badly whatever happens.

I think posters were trying to drive home to the op that she could have done things better by them, and that their feelings were important too ( she only really talked about the problems for om kids not her own)

She still could if she took a break from om for a while.

juneblues · 02/07/2013 09:26

My children were in a very happy home and had been for almost 2 decades and if that woman who got on the phone and told my suicidal disabled son it is better that his dad abandons him and his brothers, sisters and mum thinks she was helping by telling him that, she is very wrong. My husband suffers from a mental illness, she'll soon find out, but the family were happy nonetheless. Our children's lives are shattered. Don't assume unfaithful men and women are leaving behind unhappy families, some might be and some might not be. My husband had no problem living with his happy family for almost 2 decades, so he certainly could not use the "unhappy children" excuse as a reason to now abandon them. It's almost 2 months since he had spoken to one of them and has only seen one of them in that time. The other woman has neither met or no does not know my children, yet she had the gall to get on the phone to tell a disabled teenager his dad was better with her. she and my husband have destroyed our happiness and their lives will never be the same. I'm the one left dealing with the fallout, not him or her. I hope their consciences catch up with them some day, I'd find it hard to live with myself knowing I'd destroyed the lives of so many others.

The 2 kids living with their mum in 1 room, well I'd be happy to house them for the moment, at least I am lucky enough to have our home for a few more months before having to move us all. I'd take anyone in right now and I always have done for those who are in need.

reggiebean · 02/07/2013 09:31

I have read through the thread, and have been following it since it started, thanks. My post was in reaction to the people who were saying things like "Your kids will never respect you." Etc., etc. I'm not saying it will be a walk in the park, but personally, I don't think anything less of my mother for having an affair because it got her out of her marriage to my dad (btw, he wasn't violent or EA, they were just a terrible match together). I know many of my friends who grew up the same way, and who feel the same way now.

Yes, she runs the risk of damaging her kids, but that could happen as much during a messy divorce as it could as a result of an affair.

She's clearly made her choice, right or wrong, but the important thing is to make sure the kids still know they're loved by both parents, and eventually, both partners as well. There's no guarantee that her kids will turn out great, but there's also no guarantee that she's ruined them for life, and I just wanted her to know that.

Missbopeep · 02/07/2013 09:34

I agree Reggie.

OP- I think that if the OM was going to leave anyway ( regardless of whether he set eyes on you or not) that's one thing.
If you in any way encouraged the split and initiated his leaving, then that's another .

On a more general note, even the so-called 'experts' cannot agree on whether children do worse in unhappy relationships ( between their parents) or when fighting, unhappy parents split up. I don't think a few anecdotes here- however impassioned-prove either case. What is ideal is that 2 parents stay together and are happy- but with divorce at 40% of all marriages, it just doesn't happen.

June- I think you crossed a line by naming someone here and giving a location, no matter how angry and sad you are - don't you?

reggiebean · 02/07/2013 09:34

June I'm sorry you've had such a shitty situation happen, but your experience isn't necessarily someone else's.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 02/07/2013 09:46

juneblues... I'm really sorry about your situation, it sounds horrendous BUT people do NOT leave happy homes, they just don't. They might have affairs just because they can but you're not telling me that men and women (mostly men) up and leave? It's a huge upheaval, public condemnation, wrath of ex partners, extended families... I really think you're kidding yourself there. Are you also this angry about it? Your children will absorb that and don't think for a minute that you're an expert in covering it up. My mum thought that; she was wrong.

It's awful when marriages break up but they do for whatever reason. the OW/OM is really incidental in my view because if somebody doesn't love you and want to be with you anymore, isn't that the ultimate 'slap in the face'? It happens and when you've got kids the onus is on both parents to make it easy for them or as smooth as it can possibly be.

You really ought to report your own post 'naming and shaming', it's beneath you - and I mean that nicely. It's beneath any woman to do that. This was your partner's doing, put it at his door. OW was party to that but you don't denigrate your ex in the same way, do you? That's unfair.

Reggie's posts make a lot of sense to me. Put the children first - that goes for BOTH parents. Break-ups happen; if you can't face the reality of that, don't have children with anybody and don't have a relationship with them either. We do; that's the human condition. It doesn't always work out the way we'd want it to but it DOES always work out in the end.

juneblues · 02/07/2013 09:48

well I actually haven't a clue where this woman is I wish I did! My husband has just disappeared off the face of the earth, the occasional call to a go-between, all I know is he must be somewhere within an hour's drive from London and I don't even know her real name.

Missbopeep · 02/07/2013 09:49

I've seen almost every situation posted about here, in RL- kids where the parents have affairs throughout their marriages, kids where parents divorced without their being an OW/OM, kids where parents left for someone else. I don't know any who are seriously fucked up due to it. No more than kids whose parents stayed married. My parents are late 80s and cannot stand each other now and I seriously wish they had split up years ago as visiting them is a nightmare.

If couples do split for whatever reason they need to do so with dignity, compassion, and pay the cost of it all.

June- I wonder why your ex is not funding his kids even though he has left?

Missbopeep · 02/07/2013 09:52

But why name her June, as if you did? There will be SOME woman called Nikki in E Grinstead, and you've just made her day [ shock].

reggiebean · 02/07/2013 09:56

I've already reported it, FWIW. I understand that you're angry June, but agree with the others, it's really not on to publicly name someone and give their location.

Especially now that you say you made it up, and don't know her name or where she lives? Confused

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 02/07/2013 09:57

I'm really wondering why the 'wronged' partners are so determined to torture themselves with this thread? When you're that obviously angry and hurt, nothing they say is balanced and is often unfair. Nobody is going to take advice based on that and some of the posts on this thread are disgraceful. All haranguing and name-calling has ever done is show the poster up. Confused

carolst · 02/07/2013 10:01

I don't think it's about once a cheat always a cheat BUT once you have shown the ability to lie to that extent then you cannot be trusted. Most people can tell white lies, but the level of lying involved, bare faced to a partner you once loved to cover up an affair is an extreme amount. That takes a certain type of person. You are both now that type so neither can be trusted. Fact. It doesn't mean one of you will cheat but shows you can carry out high levels of deceit.

Having affairs is wrong. Fact. Continuing to keep it secret is wrong.

It makes me laugh that posters jump to defend OP from receiving a bit of stick on a forum she entered willingly. It shows there is no real Karma as the poor families left behind have a much harder battle to face. So she has some stick on here, big deal, she was expecting it. She is "happy" where as I'm sure the kids and partners aren't.

I have a friend who was the OW. She is now in a relationship with the man. She admits that her affair had a lot to do with how she felt about herself. Not good enough. It was an escape. She said that now she is with someone who is level as they both had affairs, and so neither are better than the other morally. How sad I thought. She hasn't resolved her issues but they are not in the forefront of her mind, as she admits she is with someone who also wasn't good enough. I found that totally strange and very sad but at least she isn't trying to pretend it's OK. As it isn't. She has thought a lot about her actions and admits that once the new man was involved it tainted how she thought of her marriage. Twisting things to justify the cheating in her head and to others. She isn't happy deep down, but now admits she will not end this new relationship as then all the heartache caused to her H and kids would be for nothing. This was a deep conversation one night, but day to day she puts on her happy face and pretends it's all good. This is two years on.

Everyone makes mistakes, but affairs aren't one mistake, they are a consuming web of lies, mistake after mistake after mistake.

It is also not true that relationships would fall apart anyway if the OW/OM hadn't come along. All to often the relationships could be saved, but the OW/OM gives an escape route instead. This said, I am not saying that all relationships can be saved, but affairs ruin the possibility. They taint everything. If the relationship needs to be ended it should be done without seeing someone else. If you are meant to be with them you can hook up in future once who have sorted the end of the current relationship and the children etc. When you chose to have kids you are agreeing to put someone else before yourself. That means any relationships need to be worked on, and if they need to end, handled correctly. Affairs puts yourself above everyone else including the kids.

I find it very interesting that the OP discovered his EA. How nice of you to save the poor man from it.

Do the other partners involved seriously have no idea at all that there is someone else? Do they even know you exist maybe as a "friend" but not know the full extent of the affair? They must have wondered I would have thought, it is a common question when relationships end...is there someone else?

ProphetOfDoom · 02/07/2013 10:11

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 02/07/2013 10:12

Wel carolst... I'm a cheated-on ex and I don't agree with the 'stick' you think is so amusing. Hold yourself up to scrutiny if you think your 'morals' are any better? You associate with cheaters... yet hold yourself up as something 'better'?

I also have a friend who had an affair - a serious one that left her in a heap. The difference is I don't judge her and I don't 'give stick' either. How juvenile.

That's the only bit of your post I really disagreed with btw but it really annoyed me.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 02/07/2013 10:19

Schmaltzing... Fair enough but I think affairs are one thing - actually leaving the family home? No. That takes much more impetus than an OW/OM. Regarding a husband/wife saying that they're 'happily married'; we have NO idea what they actually tell people as we hear it second or third hand and goodness knows what they tell OM/OW.

LittlePeaPod · 02/07/2013 10:26

Carolst well said. I am lucky not to have experienced this level of deception in a relationship. For me it's black and white. Affairs are wrong and there is no justification for it. Everyone knows its wrong to have an affair so why get yourself into such a situation? If someone is that unhappy in a relationship, then leave the relationship with some dignity. Have some compassion for the other person. Don't start an affair and create further hurt. I will never understand anyone that can justify an affair. It's just wrong!

ProphetOfDoom · 02/07/2013 11:03

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carolst · 02/07/2013 11:20

I am honest with my friend. I don't agree with what she did. She knows that. I don't rub her face in it, but am not as close to her now and do not socialise like we used too (but then it was couples). That said, when we had this deep conversation I listened and wouldn't turn her away.

I still think we don't know enough facts about OP to comment on the potential "highs and lows" of the whole situation. How old are your children OP? Does no-one suspect your affair? or did they suspect and you both denied it? You say that you and your stb exh are on good terms, have you both sorted access or do both parties still need this issue resolved? All this matters when trying to gauge highs and lows. What about the properties. I know your H moved out but are you selling. Is your new man selling? Either way one of the lows will always be how your relationship started based on deceit and hurt. Can't you both take a proper break and get things in order first?

carolst · 02/07/2013 11:21

SchmaltzingMatilda - yes I agree totally.