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Update on EA

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faulkernegger · 26/06/2013 13:53

I posted some weeks ago about DP's suspicious friendship, and even though we have talked about it (I've said I feel uncomfortable, children have noticed etc) it's still going on.
He has been attentive and loving, and when I asked if we were ok he looked me in the eye and said 'yes'. However, a few evenings ago about 11pm he took his phone into the loo. When he came out I challenged him - why on earth do you need to take your phone into the loo at 11 o'clock at night? to which he replied - I had it in my pocket on the way upstairs. Well he didn't - it had been on the bedside table. So I said - you;re not telling me the truth and I want you to think about why you're not telling the truth.
A couple of days later he took me aside and said he'd made a decision to step back from this woman, because I clearly thought that 'something' was going on. I felt so relieved.
But, having a gnawing feeling still, I did some checking on his mobile phone bill online ( about the only thing he's forgotten to change his password for) and he seems to have called her more often and for longer, since that conversation!

What do I do now? confront again and ask exactly HOW this is stepping back? or, as my sister says, back off, be sweetness and light and give him more time to end it.
I have been for an initial assessment at Relate to see of there's anything I can do about 'me' that will help the relationship, but I feel there's no point if his mind is elsewhere.
Help!

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Dozer · 15/07/2013 21:12

It's often said on here that it's fine to change your mind about wanting to "move forward", to ask him for some space or even to move out. At any point you can take a break from him.

Really don't like the things on your other thread that he said about (and to) OW, them being "twins", time being wrong, would be different if not for DC. His lies. His ridiculing you about wanting him to stop visiting OW's house to teach her DC! He has betrayed you and your DC.

He seems to have got you in a position of fear, gratitude and weakness Sad.

I was in similar situation once (no DC involved). Feeling insecure, unhappy, paranoid, him laughing at me, sometimes loving sometimes cold and critical. He eventually dumped me (blaming me and saying some nasty things) then a few weeks later wrote a letter, "as friends", mentioning how sad he was and that OW was "the only one who understands" Hmm I was STILL not seeing it and hoping he'd come back until a friend read the letter, pointed out that it was clear he'd been having an EA if not full-blown affair and suggested when it might've begun (strangely, when our relationship started to be tricky) and a lightbulb went off. He eventually married the OW. The infidelity hurt a lot less than the period of confused rejection, and regret allowing him to treat me badly for so long.

Now of course there is MN!

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Dozer · 15/07/2013 21:15

Hang on, OW also lives with her H?!

Even worse.

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Fairenuff · 15/07/2013 22:02

Ok, things are a bit clearer now.

He hasn't gone no contact with her because he was clearly still intending to tutor her son and this would obviously give him the excuse he is looking for to see her again.

He hasn't stopped contact. He's just taking a break for now.

Or, at least we think he is taking a break, he may well still be contacting her somehow.

The other thing is, as someone said above, you should not be asking him to go no contact, he should be doing that himself. Because he wants to. Because he doesn't want to lose you.

All the housework in the world doesn't mean a thing. Those are all normal actions that a supportive partner does around the home. Making each other meals and cups of tea. Breakfast in bed now and again. Tidying, cleaning, decorating, childcare. That's what everyone does in an equal partnership.

There is only really one thing that you want - for him to stop contact with her for good and focus on rebuilding your trust. He is nowhere near doing that.

Tell him to leave until he knows what he wants. Tell him you don't want to be with someone who considers you second best.

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StingingBee · 15/07/2013 22:09

I haven?t posted here in ages but your post touched a nerve. It's my story, not yours I know, and I've dithered about posting but you've posted up thread that you'd like to hear from those who have been through it...

3 years ago my H started mentioning this OW and her H, they'd recently moved into our area, and they'd go into the local at the weekend where my H worked for treat money. He'd tell me tales and funny stories and how we must organise a get together, we all went out a few times, can't say I got it but H certainly enjoyed their company. Roll on another 6 months, H now has her phone no and the amount of texts between them are creeping up. I'm beginning to worry, but I don't know about what .. am not suspicious why should I be? I love him, he loves me, there is just this nagging... something?

Then helping the OW out starts...her H is out, she's just text could one of us go round and help with whatever...as your busy with DS(2) Stinging, I'll just nip over should I? OW sons bike has a puncture - ?I'll go fix it Stinging, they're on their way out, can't ruin the day when I can sort it out" - nips back home, grabs his bike, " you don't mind if I go with them do you - I'll show OW the trail we use", I could go on but I'm sure you're seeing what I didn't. We had a dog, they'd just got a puppy - oh the amount of times they'd just bump into each other - usually told by DS (5) guess who we saw mummy!

8 months in and now I'm beginning to get fed-up, she has her own H for this kind of stuff..why is she constantly calling my H? why all of a sudden is he surgically attached to his phone.. what are they texting about all the time? I bring it up...of course I'm being ridiculous, he's being friendly, a friend, thats what friends do Stinging, help each other out". Only now its beginning to bite, because he wants to carry on being "a friend" and I want it to stop and because I'm trying to take the cookie jar away he's throwing a tantrum..Suddenly I'm moody, suddenly I'm a control freak, suddenly I'm dictating who he can and cannot be friends with. So I stopped..because actually deep down I was scared, scared of what might happen if I pushed too hard, for the first time ever, I don't think I'd come first. For another 2 months I put up with this gaslighting (thanks mumsnet!) questioning my judgement and ignoring my instinct, until our anniversary. Stupid thing really but I usually get a card with "To my darling Stinging" and then some heartfelt words..that year I got "To Stinging, Love H". and the night spent with him disappearing every so often with his phone. I broke down and demanded he show me his phone, he did eventually and of course the texts were to her..nothing incriminating but still..it was our anniversary and he spent it thinking about her, texting her.
We had it out the next day and he after telling me "she's the female version of me Stinging, she really gets me" Hmm and me telling him he's destroying our marriage with his behaviour, he promises me he'll not contact her again. He texts her and tells her that their friendship is causing problems at home and that its best if he concentrates on his marriage. From that I get a lovely text from her, telling me what a super husband I have and how sorry she is if she?s inadvertently caused any upset and how much her H appreciates all my H has done for her recently! - Clever this because it made me think I was actually totally in the wrong and over reacting - her H obviously wasn't bothered like I was. But I stick to my guns and insist he does not contact her.

Only he does and I find out..similar to you in that he picked his phone up off the bedside table and took it to the loo with him. What I should of done here was tell him it was over, but I didn't -(scaredy cat again) and I wish I could go back in time and do that, just so he'd realise how serious I was about it, all that fannying around, I should have just said enough is enough. But I can't and here's where our stories differ....I ignored that one text and that one text turned into on average 2000 texts a month for the next 3 months and the time when we were concentrating on our marriage (well I thought we were) was the time it went physical, it had gone from friendship to affair in just over a year, played right out under my nose. By then I'd found Mumsnet and posted, (had some fab advice from AF (harsh but true!), Sternface and MAHC amongst others, I thank you again). Those 3 months were living hell and a whole other post (which I won't ? this is long enough!)..The pub hours increased, the lies increased, he became distant, critical and withdrawn. I did not want to have confront what was now obvious, I had 2 children 5 & 2..little money and a H who was still insisting nothing was going on. I wanted to stay in my ?happily married? bubble but the day came when I realised that no longer existed ? it was god awful - I did what had been suggested here and asked him to go, I was heart-broken and scared (again!) but these wise posters on here are right - that?s what was needed to break his fantasy bubble, it really was only when he'd lost me that he realised just what he had to loose. He moved out for a couple of months, which gave me breathing space. I needed that, to get my thoughts together without a physical reminder day in day out. Seeing him at home on a daily basis would have made it much harder imvho.

We are working at it OP, more importantly He is working at it, it doesn't have to be the end. It's coming up 2 years now (Oct) from when I found out the truth and our relationship is good again...We have more transparency and talk about things much better. Although I do have the odd wobble, I trust him again, not 100% but I don't see that as a bad thing. I'm also stronger in myself and know that if I had too, I could cope on my own.

Actions have consequences I wish I'd made them count sooner, I may have been able to stop it before it almost destroyed our marriage.

And to answer your question..no nothing changed until I asked him to leave..I truely believe he needed to see that I meant every word..He was breaking not only my heart but me - that had to stop.

I wish you all the best OP, its a horrid time.

Ps. sorry that was so long ? once I started I found it quite cathartic and I didn't want to stop.

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AgathaF · 15/07/2013 22:43

That was a great post about a horrible situation in your life Stinging. It's so easy to see from that post what could happen to faulk here, or in fact any of us.

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faulkernegger · 15/07/2013 22:49

stinging - glad to be of service, and thank you.
I don't think I've mentioned that I did contact OW'sH. I just asked him if he was happy with their friendship, and he said he was absolutely fine, he trusted her, he often saw her emails, they often mixed with people where the husbands and wives exchanged in banter etc. It didn't reassure me - I just thought he was a twat and blind, and didn't have a clue or care who his wife was contacting during the day. Of course he told her I'd called, it got back to DP who was cross; I just said 'what did you expect?' Don't know why I've said this now - I don't care what happens to them. My problem has gone up to bed, and I don't much feel like joining him. I guess it's early days - 5 days since showdown.
PS am reading Shirley Glass.

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StingingBee · 15/07/2013 22:57

Thank you Agatha - a tad too long perhaps Blush (and that was an edited version)!

I dithered about posting because other posters say things much better than I can, its just faulks post took me back and I can remember feeling how she must be feeling and desperately wondering how the hell to make it right.

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StingingBee · 15/07/2013 23:09

Me too Faulk. Infact I actually printed out my H's phone bills for the last three months of contact -there really were 2000 texts a month - that works out at 1 text every 15 minutes for 15 hours if anyones interested! and showed him them. He just told me thats what she does - she's a texter! and laughed at me - I was gobsmacked at his stupidity tbh.
Oh how a laughed when it all came out - not.

I found Shirley Glass extremely helpful. Would your H read it or is he still in (deliberate) denial?

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onefewernow · 15/07/2013 23:28

If I had taken action and been less "nice " the first time I found evidence, it would have saved me five and a half years of lies and denial ( his and mine).

The one thing I regret most - about that and about post discovery, as posted above- is that I did not ckrify what my boundaries were, and judge him according to them.

Because my boundaries were shifting sand. And that us because my primary objective was wanting to be fair and nice and possibly approved of. I was raised to it, in some ways, even though I considered myself assertive and rebellious.

I was on fact good at asserting my boundaries but terrible at sticking to them. He knew this. I was far more caught up in being "fair"- but in reality, to him.

Just get in touch with your heart and what you want and need. Accept no less, in a situation like this.

Personally I think he won't believe you mean it unless you chuck him out. Also, it won't bring home to him what a risk he has taken, and may still take. Because he has nothing do far to lose.

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ChipsNKetchup · 15/07/2013 23:40

I'm sorry Faulk but it does not sound like he is taking it seriously at all. He can't go NC if he is still teaching her son, that's how this all started after all.

I don't think he has realised the enormity of what he is risking. I do think he genuinely believes that you're over reacting and it'll die down soon. That they're 'just' friends.

Go to counselling, I'd tell him you're going to relate but don't let him join you. Make sure you take lots of time for you.

Sending more hugs and I don't care who knows it! please shoot me if I start saying hun though

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faulkernegger · 16/07/2013 08:40

Thanks chips, and yes, I'll happily shoot anyone who calls me hun. Going to Relate this am. DP is out taking DS to school, going for a swim and taking car to garage, then out this pm for a gig. Can't stop the anxious feelings when he leaves the house.

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BerylStreep · 16/07/2013 09:52

Good luck this morning.

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FridaKarlov · 16/07/2013 10:52

Aye good luck.

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captainmummy · 16/07/2013 13:33

Hope you get some clarity at the counsellor faulk

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Jan45 · 16/07/2013 14:00

StingingBee, what an interesting and enthralling post, thanks for sharing that.

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faulkernegger · 16/07/2013 16:11

While I am still digesting the many thoughts that came up this am ( and waiting for the chance to act on some of them) - I need a good belly laugh. Any funny threads on MN today that have made you laugh out loud?

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ChipsNKetchup · 16/07/2013 20:14

I've been busy decluttering today so I've not been on much today so haven't seen any funnies. I did find a proper cringeworthy diary from my teens that'd been carefully hidden away. I don't know if I'm strong enough to reproduce any of my dreadful poetry for your amusement. I thought I was so profound but its bloody awful! [Blush]

Counselling can be very difficult but I hope you found it useful. If its got you thinking its probably a good thing even if it doesn't feel like it at first.

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LisaMed · 16/07/2013 20:17

I've nothing sensible to say, but wish you luck and this thread makes me laugh till I cry every time.

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needasilverlining · 17/07/2013 08:13

I found the one about having to choose two out of six children to attend a family wedding made me LOL on the train (MN Classics).

And, of course, the all-time winner 'cutted up pear' (If My Toddler could post in AIBU, or something - also Classics). Any good?

Hope things look up for you soon (and I concur with everyone who says he should feel bloody lucky to have you and be on bended knee begging you to keep him).

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Fairenuff · 17/07/2013 08:26

When you first posted faulk you were extremely reluctant to entertain the idea that this was anything more than 'just friends'. Even though your children could see it, you just didn't want to.

Now look at you. You have come so far and you are doing really well. Not only have you accepted that it is an emotional affair but you have also confronted him.

That is a lot for someone who just wanted the whole sorry mess to go away. You've taken your head out of the sand and started to deal with this. You are going to be alright. Whatever happens. You are stronger than you think you are.

Now you need to summon the energy for one more big push. Do not put up with any crap from him about this woman. Zero tolerance. Say it and mean it. We are all here to help and support you.

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BerylStreep · 17/07/2013 09:10

Interesting response from Z's H. It would seem this is normal behaviour from her, and his lack of interest may be one of the reasons she is doing this - sounds like he is not overly invested in the marriage, and for him to acknowledge that the contact is indeed unreasonable would be him having to acknowledge what his wife is behaving like.

It also sounds to me that you are being painted as the crazy possessive wife of that poor kind music teacher.

Don't let Z's H's dismissive attitude fool you - this is most certainly at least an emotional affair, and this level of contact and interest is not normal outside of a marriage.

You are not being unreasonable to expect that he backs away from this 'friendship'.

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faulkernegger · 17/07/2013 09:18

fair - thank you for the pat on the back. I'm feeling a whole lot better just for having stood up for myself!
beryl ( I love your name) - thank you - I have to keep reminding myself about the frequency and secrecy, which is most definitely not normal.

One hurdle today - it is the trumpet lesson at 4. DP seems determined to do it, but I am going to 'talk' to him about it when he returns from his gig after lunch. Wish me luck.

Apropos funny threads - the original spoonyfucker thread still has me in tears.

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needasilverlining · 17/07/2013 11:21

I hope the 'talk' takes place with an overnight bag for him in one hand, should he choose to go... Hope it goes OK.

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Xales · 17/07/2013 13:13

So he is determined to go to this woman's house to give her son his lessons while soft soaping you with a load of dishwasher and a few smoothies?

How is that no contact?

Sad

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