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I don't want a huge blow up with H over this, so need opinions please

357 replies

Loutwenty · 26/06/2013 11:28

I don't know where to start really. This is long, sorry, I am just so confused at the moment.

Been with dh for 2 1/2 years, married for just over 1. We got together quite fast as I was having a terrible relationship breakdown with exh, so we moved in together after only 6 months. I had been married 12 years but living separate lives for 10 of them. I have a 10 year old child from that marriage.

I don't work, but I study full time. DH works, but in a job he hates, he did a stupid uni course as a mature student at 25, graduated shortly after we moved in together and couldn't find the mystical job that he hankered after (the route he took isn't a route into them anyway iyswim). So now he has a boring, normal job and is not a rock star like he spent his early 20s thinking he'd be, this is apparently, my fault as now he has responsibilities

I was a sahm during my first marriage, my ex worked abroad during the week and we lived in rural scotland, so I kind of had to be! I married young too, so never had much work experience, aside from a bit of freelance stuff pre 20, so when I left, I was floundering.

Last sept I started college and I have totally found myself. I have studied a subject I love, so much so that I have excelled and done a couple of further courses myself and at my own expense to further my knowledge.

However, I am at a crossroads at the moment where in order to continue I can do a degree. My father and ex always told me I was thick. My father said I was so stupid that there was no point in staying at school post 16, and my ex was very successful and talked down to me always. Since studying, I know that's not true. I have passed with all distinctions, my tutors have been behind me all the way and are pushing me to skip a level and go to a degree.

Ok so two issues!

  1. I study hard. Really, really hard, not only with the course I have been doing, but with the additional courses I have taken on. I have a criminal law level 3 qualification to complete over the summer, it is not easy. But yet, because I am in the house more, doing 'nothing' (!) as he says, all house work falls to me. He does not lift a finger. He will 'help' wash up a couple of times a week, but he lets me firmly know he is 'helping' me and expects full on, falling to my knees gratitude.

I make him breakfast in bed every morning, regardless of if I am leaving half an hour earlier than him to get to college, I run his bath, wash his hair. All this for an easy life or he sulks. I am not well today and stressed. So I didn't get out of bed before him as usual. He usually has to start getting dressed at 7.50, by 7.30 he was already huffing as I hadn't got up to get his breakfast and coffee. 7.40 ds comes in with his cereal - a 10 year old puts him to shame lol - so I get up, feed the cats and stupidly make his breakfast as I couldn't face a strop. He could tell I was upset, so asks why (but not in a concerned way, he gets pissed off at me when I am upset) so I tell him, just for once, I am fed up of the morning waitress service. So then he says, well, I wan't hungry anyway and throws a strop that he won't be able to drink his coffee, it will be too hot.

He has his dinner cooked and ready for when he walks through the door as well, regardless of if I am eating or not. My first husband was a shit, but he never, ever expected anyone to cook and clean up after him, so I have never experienced this before. Is this normal? I feel like a housekeeper, I hate it. I know he works, but really, to do nothing in your own home? when I talk to him, he says to tell him what needs doing and he will. But a) He is not a teenager and I am not his mother b) this is his home too, I am not the boss of cleaning and c) he gets in such a mood if I do ask him to do anything. He'll do it, but it's not worth the sulking afterwards.

When I talk to him about it, he gets angry and tells me to stop acting like I have a hard life.

  1. With regard to study, I have been offered an amazing chance to do a degree I will love. But I will have to commit to three years, hard wok with pretty full on work placements. We want another child. I have had several MC, so I can't wait any longer, certainly not 3 or 4 years, I am 34. So I am looking into OU degrees as they will be more compatible.

DH isnt happy about any of this. He says he will support me, but this week keeps throwing hissy fits, about how much he hates his job, how it's not fair and I can't complain as at least I am doing something I want to do. It's not my fault that, by his own admission, he did a degree which would basically buy him 3 more years 'free' drinking time' in his mid 20's. It is also not my fault that I have turned out to be more intelligent than people thought I was.

And I know that if I do OU, I will get the 'I got to work!' card thrown at me and I will be doing all the house, studying and looking after a baby on my own.

I am confused and I don't know what to do for the best, or, if I want to stay with him at all at the moment.

OP posts:
GirlWiththeLionHeart · 26/06/2013 14:35

You wash his hair?!!! Confused

EhricLovesTeamQhuay · 26/06/2013 14:40

Look OP
You have a choice here.

  1. study, be fulfilled, be proud of yourself, be a great role model to your DS, be happy, have probably just the one child.
  2. give up your dreams, be this horrible man's house slave and verbal whipping girl for the foreseeable, give a terrible model of relationships to your son, but get to have another baby, for whom you will do all the care in an increasingly miserable home.

You only have one life.

glamstretchmarks · 26/06/2013 14:42

Get out woman!! Get out, get out, get out!! A DP/DH is supposed to bring positive things to your life, not keep you from them!! This man child is a waste of your time.

It doesn't sound it I know, but it really is as simple as walk away. Yes there will be some things that need to be sorted and yes, some nights will seem tough but YES YOU CAN!!

Thisisaeuphemism · 26/06/2013 14:44

Any grown man who goes out to work should have their own slave, right?

Weird attitude.

theorchardkeeper · 26/06/2013 14:49

Ditch the dick and do the degree!

You're his slave by the sounds of it because

jalopy · 26/06/2013 14:53

I think you need to get a job.

3littlefrogs · 26/06/2013 14:57

Sorry, but when I got to the running his bath and washing his hair I thought: "why are you with him".

I would be running for the hills without a backward glance.

shelldockley · 26/06/2013 14:59

OP, everyone is saying LTB, this relationship isn't working for either of you, or your DC. It's hard, but one step at time.

One thing I would advise is to try and get away for a few weeks to clear your head and try to think about this from outside this black hole you are in. Is there anyone you can go stay with, just you and DC for a few weeks during the summer holidays? I really think it would help you to see things clearly.

escorpion · 26/06/2013 15:00

I would be putting immac in his hair the bastard. No way would I serve breakfast in bed, run a bath and wash hair for my husband. Who the actual fu** does he think he is? I am angry for you.

DoesBuggerAll · 26/06/2013 15:03

I'd like to add that I don't think you should be expected to run his bath, wash his hair and bring him breakfast in bed. Now that is taking the piss by anybody's standards.

I stand by my comments though. Seriously I'd tell the guy to run for the hills now. Otherwise after several years of supporting her through uni, having a baby with you (and becoming rather attached to it - men do sometimes actually care about their children) you are liable to leave him and take his children with you. Get out now man!

hellsbellsmelons · 26/06/2013 15:05

That's a good point jalopy
Get a little evening job in a pub or something and leave the man-child to look after himself. Let's see how he copes then shall we??

Ignore the idiot misogynistic men on this thread who are just as entitled as your DH and do what you want to do.

As others have said, this will impact you son massively. You are teaching him that it is OK to treat women like this and that it's OK for the woman to just put up and shut up.

It's not right and you know it, or you would not have posted. Get out and don't look back.

Do the freedom programme that womens aid run, and get your boundaries sorted out.

What you describe is not normal at all!!!

I've realised recently that my ex was a bit misogynistic. But even he got up every morning to make me a cup of tea in bed. He did his bit outside of the home!!!

You can do this. There is always a way out. Good luck.

Loutwenty · 26/06/2013 15:06

Dh did do a shit degree - Even he says that. it was an excuse to extend his childhood. he never even worked holidays. He did music performance. It leads to nothing. He thought his band would make it big. They all made it to the dole queue and have up.

With or without me he would have ended up in a job he hated.

I am going to do a degree which will give me a career in health and social care. Am deciding between social work and social science. It will lead to a job. My thoughts were I could have a child while I studied and then when I had a full time job it would be of nursery age.

I couldn't find a job when I left ex. I applied for everything, cleaning jobs, the chip shop. I didn't have experience or references and no one would give me a chance.

OP posts:
Loutwenty · 26/06/2013 15:07

He's not working long hours either. Cushy job at the council, strictly 9 to 5, flexitime, 10 min walk from home.

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StitchAteMySleep · 26/06/2013 15:08

I think the issue is not that you make his breakfast, have dinner on the table or help wash his hair (I do all of those for my DH because when you have an even relationship they do nice things for you too), it is that he does nothing at all in the house and doesn't appreciate that you work hard too.

My DH works 6 days a week quite late on average in a physical job, but still helps bath kids etc... And on his one day off makes me breakfast, cleans and cooks dinner. I am a SAHM though and when he was SAHD he did everything I do now. If I was studying FT we would divide the chores evenly.

Put having a baby on hold.

Stop making his breakfast etc... He is perfectly capable of getting himself ready.

Write a list of all the weekly jobs in the house and sit down with him and divide them up.

If he doesn't get on board and isn't willing to go to relationship counselling then you will have to consider the long term future of your relationship.

Loutwenty · 26/06/2013 15:09

And it was me who supported him through the final year of his degree and the six months after before he sucame to reality and found a job.

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nenevomito · 26/06/2013 15:10

I understand completely you not wanting to upset your DS, but children learn from example and he will start treating you the same and will treat women like you are being treated.

If he's that unhappy at work, he could study in the evenings, he could really put in the effort to look for something else, but he's not, is he?

You wash his hair, you run his bath, your son delivers his breakfast to him.

Is that really how you see your life for the next 20+ years as that's what you're letting yourself in for as he won't change.

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee · 26/06/2013 15:12

LouTwenty we were on a thread together the other day - was it one you started? Or was it about something random and unrelated??

I want to HUG you and make you see that you are wasting your life with this shit :(

You have gone from your father (he was no Dad), to a H who was a shit in his own way, to this wanker.

Your DS might think he loves him - but you are allowing him to grow up in a house where it is acceptable to treat a woman like shit - do you want this for your DS?

I understand that you want another baby (trust me, I understand!) but don't have one with him :( Your life would be utterly miserable.

Please - read what everyone has said. The way he treats you is awful YOU are worth so so much more.

What do you think anyone of your tutors would say if you told them everything??

RandomFriend · 26/06/2013 15:13

Cushy job at the council, strictly 9 to 5, flexitime, 10 min walk from home

He is very lucky to have such a relaxed job!

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee · 26/06/2013 15:13

Oh - did you start the thread the other day about not being sure if you wanted to teach or be a social worker?

Crinkle77 · 26/06/2013 15:13

Making him breakfast in bed and washing his hair for him goes way beyond the call of duty. He is jealous of you and I think it will only get worse if you go to uni and end up doing a job you love. And please don't have a baby with this man. If he is unhappy with his life then it is up to him to sort it out. I would be going on strike if I were you. Why the hell should he sit there in bed like the king and expect his breakfast to be brought to him. Tell him to eff off. better still get rid

Loutwenty · 26/06/2013 15:14

Chippingin - low carb! Hello!

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ChippingInWiredOnCoffee · 26/06/2013 15:15

There is NO point what-so-ever talking to him. He is an entitled arse who is treating you like something that he stepped in - this is way beyond 'talking'.

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee · 26/06/2013 15:17

Hello :)

You have spent your whole life being told you don't have a brain - that you are too thick to make anything of yourself, that you deserve nothing...

It is shit - you clearly have a brain, a very good one puts my old addled thing to shame please, please use it to get out and make a better life for you and your DS, to show your DS that this isn't how to treat a woman, that this isn't how to have a happy life.... it just isn't and it's so fucking awful to think you have been treat like this your whole life :(

piratecat · 26/06/2013 15:21

well everyone seems to be of the same opinion.

so what are you going to do.

you'd be better off on your own financially. or at least the same.

why are you living with a manchild?

waddlecakes · 26/06/2013 15:22

''Dh did do a shit degree - Even he says that. it was an excuse to extend his childhood. he never even worked holidays. He did music performance. It leads to nothing. He thought his band would make it big. They all made it to the dole queue and have up.''

You want him to be supportive of you? Look how much contempt you show him, though.

He didn't make it to the dole queue. He took his ''shit'' degree and made into a job you disparage while living off it.