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My DH has had an emotional affair

469 replies

bullinthesea · 18/06/2013 14:52

Hello,

I don't post very much, but I am a frequent lurker!

Sadly, I have discovered that my DH has been having an emotional affair with a woman at his work. I have met her a few times over the years, and have always liked her! (Not any more!).

He was supporting me through a nasty bout of depression, and she was also having problems with family illness etc, and it seems they got too close, whilst chatting. He has always been the type to help others out. I think perhaps his 'knight in shining armour' came out when he came across this 'damsel in distress'!

There were emails/Facebook messages/texts, (the texts were all deleted, but in plain sight on our joint itemised bill!).

I discovered the whole lot on Friday night, and confronted him on Saturday morning.

I told him to sit down and tell me the truth. He says that it was just a load of flirty e-mails, and that he knew it was wrong when he was doing it, that it had all fizzled out and that he regretted it. He was very remorseful, and asked whether I could ever forgive him. I told him it was about being able to trust him again.

I found comments such as

Him "I must have been on your mind, was this email meant for Mr X?"
Her "you're always on my mind"
Him "mmmmmmmmmmmmmm!"

And

Her "thank you for earlier, I feel a lot better now !!"
Him "yeah, me too, can meet up on Wednesday for a follow up if it helps :)"

Her "is there anything else I can do for you"
Him "there may be a couple of things that may rise up"

Him " look at you working on xyz"
Her "can never be too prepared?"
Him "I am always prepared!"

She also kept asking him about his knees, on one occasion, they were organising some work time, and he responded with:
Him "should be good"
Her " what do you mean, SHOULD......... Are your knees hurting?"
Him "no, they have recovered, it's my calf, I pulled it running this morning"

Another message went:
Her "how are your knees and feet now"
Him "well, no carpet burns! How are you, we,ve been thinking about you?"

Then there was the time about six months ago, when he was having some funny turns. He had to spend the day at hospital having tests. He had already phoned into work, to tell them that he wouldn't be in that day, and yet I discovered that he'd emailed her from the hospital, to tell her about the tests and said that it was scary, there were loads of exclamation marks at the end (and on lots of the other emails too). He then emailed her again later about the results, with the same message that he had texted to me a few minutes prior, but he'd added extra exclamation marks on hers.

A lot of the content of these emails (and some others that I haven't written about) suggests that things may have got physical.

He strongly denies that it got physical, and says that he doesn't even find her physically attractive. He has said that it was exciting, and that she had made him feel good, as it had felt like she wanted him. He also told me that she had tried to kiss him at an Xmas do a few years ago, but he didn't kiss back, and had thought it was odd.

I asked if he thought she might have a bit of a thing for him, and he paused and said, "yeah, probably".

I have told him that I am going to get tested for STIs, just in case, as I'm not sure I can believe what he's telling me, and want to be sure that I haven't caught anything.

We both cried a lot, and he buried his head in my lap and told me he was so sorry over and over.

I do love him very much, and feel that we became distant, (although things had been much better recently), that we need to focus on our marriage much more (he agreed) and do our best to recover the strong love that we always used to have.

Only thing is, if it did get physical, then I would have to end the relationship.

I am so confused, I can barely concentrate on anything, and I haven't a clue where I'd start if I suddenly found myself single - I'm a sahm, my son is 7, and I am not bringing in any income at the moment, so he supports us all financially.

I just don't know what to do next.....

OP posts:
Xales · 02/07/2013 15:58

It just doesn't add up really.

It does add up. Just to not a very nice picture. Sorry Sad

gillywillywoo · 02/07/2013 16:06

I'm so sorry OP Thanks
What an utter cunt.

lazarusb · 02/07/2013 16:57

I'm really sorry OP. I can't imagine how painful and insulting this is. If it isn't a stupid question, how are you feeling? Are you eating & looking after yourself. Hope you have some RL support and are taking comfort in your little boy.

bullinthesea · 02/07/2013 17:24

Can anyone point me to some info about 'the script' that some people have mentioned?

OP posts:
lovesfastcars · 02/07/2013 17:53

Try googling 'The script, infidelity '. Gives quite a few sites with some info.
There is actually a book called 'The Script' all about it. I think Amazon sell it, but I have not read it so can't really say if it is any good or not.
There is also a site called 'Surviving infidelity ' which although from USA, I found really helpful.
Hope you are ok (as far as you can be at the moment)

Lilly3000 · 02/07/2013 18:13

Bullinthesea, very sorry to hear this. Something very similar happened to me and my DH nearly 2 years ago after over 20 years together. Devastating is an understatement. A drunken one night stand is one thing, but an emotional affair is about a betrayal of intimacy and trust. The former would have caused me a lot less pain.

It is possible for everything to be ok again - actually much better - but certain things have to be faced.

1.He must cut her out of his life utterly, completely, without exception, mercy or remorse.
2.He has to understand that whilst no relationship problems are one-sided, he CHOSE to do this and that has nothing to do with you. Accept NO blame. Your problems could have been sorted out without this.

  1. Keeping your marriage exclusive is an ongoing process that is an active one, not a passive one i.e people can only worm their way in if you let them.

Shirley Glass' book is very good. I'm not going to go on and on about how he might be lying - only you can know that. You can only trust your instinct. I would give you a hug if I could. It will be alright. The worst place was in the dark. xxxx

captainmummy · 02/07/2013 18:22

So what he's trying to say, is that - it was physical - then they stopped yeah, right! but carried on sending sexually suggestive e-mails in the years afterwards yeah, because the sex hadn't stopped! he had no feelings for her - yet he was emailing her from his hospital appointment HA! - he didn't enjoy the sex, yet he went back more than once well, words fail me.

This is an old, years old affair. But then, you know that, OP....

Hope you are ok.

skyeskyeskye · 02/07/2013 18:28

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/a1527705-Midlife-crisis-this-is-the-script

sadly I have it saved in favourites, as it comes up time and again :(

it is written with a pinch of salt, but is sadly oh so true

Somethingtothinkabout · 02/07/2013 18:42

Keeping your marriage exclusive is an ongoing process that is an active one, not a passive one i.e people can only worm their way in if you let them

Lily, that's a really good quote. One I will remember too.

So sorry Bull, give yourself some space from him whilst you get your head around it.

tessa6 · 02/07/2013 19:05

I'm afraid the fact he is still obviously minimising (obviously, OP, you even know it yourself and you have all the reason in the world to want to trust him) indicates he's a real instinctive liar and a coward. What a shame. The truth does ten to eke out with any cheat but this is pretty shocking. It's clearly a long term affair spanning years. There may have been months when they didn't meet up and they only texted or emailed but that would have been because of practical reasons they couldn't probably and then it would restart when they could. It's clear they were referencing sexual encounters. He's lying and I don't know how you can trust him again if he's prepared to try so woefully and desperately to save his own skin over your marriage.

onefewernow · 02/07/2013 20:01

I do not believe the physical side had elapsed, given the continued contact and the type of contact.

He is still lying. You must be exhausted.

Not that he cares.

Can you see even how two weeks ago he was taking comfort from you, and reward in the form of you "working on the relationship", whilst he was lying. And whilst you were in shock, as it was new information about your marriage to you, unlike him.

He was prepared to see you so sad, lie on, and take more from you.

He is a selfish git, isn't he?

Lilly3000 · 02/07/2013 21:01

Bull, I've read all of the posts now. My heart breaks for you. This isn't an emotional affair at all. It's an old flame that's kept alight by the oxygen of illicit thrill. He has been a stupid, cowardly fool. He knows he doesn't really want her (or he'd have seized the opportunity to go when you found out) and is now filled with shame and panic at the possibility of losing everything. A serial deceiver, he probably almost wanted to be found out in order to purge his conscience. Does he have 'mummy issues' by any chance?
This is all very bad. I think he needs some time on his own to sob and wring his hands on his own time. Go on holiday with your little one, spend his money, tell him you don't know when - or indeed if - you are coming back. Don't worry, he will regret this all his long days and the OW isn't real competition because she isn't you. She's a feckless flake (buying your baby a gift ffs!) and he won't like looking at his own reflection of tawdry betrayal. You need some space to be able to think straight. You may decide you want him back, you may not. You are in the driving seat. Be courageous xxx

MadAboutHotChoc · 03/07/2013 07:42

How are you OP?

I would start finding out what you are entitled to legally and financially - you may feel stronger when you know that you will be ok.

MaccaPaccaismyNemesis · 03/07/2013 07:59

Bull, I hope you are keeping as strong as possible. It would seem you have uncovered a huge secret, but it's the deceit and timescale that would blow me sideways. Only you can make the right decision for you, but you have my unreserved support. I hope your Mum sees sense and remembers that her daughter and grandchildren are who she should care about. Unmumsnetty hugs to you.

lazarusb · 03/07/2013 09:24

The baby present is particularly sticking in my craw - despite everything else, he let that sit in your child's room all this time knowing what he did. He is a coward, pathetic beyond words.

Wellwobbly · 03/07/2013 13:55

he had no feelings for her - yet he was emailing her from his hospital appointment - he didn't enjoy the sex, yet he went back more than once....

I got told all that, word for word 'I never loved her, the sex was terrible'. (It took over two years for him to admit he was 'fond' of her).

It is all LIES. Look at the postings of the OWs here. They all say to a woman 'the sex is nothing I have experienced before'. They lie to you AND they lie to OW.

Just the other day, after I found he was still in touch w OW, I asked him 'why did you not tell me you had lingering feelings for OW?' He gave me a nasty look and said something along the lines of 'what would you have done to me punishment/anger wise'. Now, THAT sentence was truthful, because in all the blaming of me he did not deny he still had feelings for OW..

www.chumplady.com 'the unified theory of cake' is what you must read. This isn't about love, you v her. This is about him getting everything. Wifey and homelife, AND his exciting as well.

Is your mysterious depression starting to make a bit more sense now?

Thisisaeuphemism · 03/07/2013 14:12

I hope this snivelling liar is giving you some space op. he has been having an affair for years.
Can you get over that?

YoniMatopoeia · 03/07/2013 18:30

How are you doing bull?

lottieandmia · 03/07/2013 18:43

'Keeping your marriage exclusive is an ongoing process that is an active one, not a passive one i.e people can only worm their way in if you let them'

I don't agree with this at all. It seems to say that it is partly your responsibility to make sure your husband or wife doesn't have an affair. If someone wants to have an affair they will do it regardless of whether someone else is trying to worm their way in or not. People don't always have affairs because there is anything wrong with their marriage.

ShinyBlackShoes · 03/07/2013 20:32

My ex had an affair that started when I was pregnant with DC1 or just before. I found out and 18 months later left. I took the kids and left everything else and even room the blame for leaving. Couldn't stand th sight, sound, smell, touch, even thought of him.

It has been a long and hard road for me, but I have no regrets. He is happil with his OW so also has no regrets.

Only you can decide what to do and there are pros and cons to any decision. But do look after yourself whatever because you need to look to yourself so you can be a good mum.
Good luck

WhiteBirdBlueSky · 03/07/2013 23:40

If an affair had fizzled out you don't carry on sending suggestive texts. That's just daft. Nobody does that.

bullinthesea · 04/07/2013 10:10

The thing he keeps saying to me, is that "if things had been ok between us, then it wouldn't have happened". I'm so infuriated by this, that I told him not to blame me, and that if he thought there were problems between us, that he should have put his energies into improving our relationship, not going elsewhere.

He went to visit his mum the other night, and told her what's been going on. She came to visit me at home yesterday, and one of the first things she said was "well, things have been building up for a while haven't they?"
(She also expressed concern for the effect it could have on his career. I replied that he should have thought of that before doing what he did.
I imagine it could well be a sackable offence - they both work in a school, and if he's to believed, it all took place in the school, during the school day (in a locked school shop) - nice.)

Yes, there was some distance happening between us, I felt neglected and like he had lost interest in me, and that it seemed he only wanted me for sex a lot of the time.

During that time, I was reading books on improving the marriage, and doing my best to work at things from my side, whilst he was obviously detaching from me and concentrating on the OW (I assume).

He says he wants to work on the marriage, he has told me he's sorry over & over, and that he regrets everything, and that it's me he wants. He says he loves me dearly, and that he wants to make me happy, and that our relationship will be better than ever etc etc...that what he's done is wrong, there are no excuses for his behaviour (at least he's acknowledging it).
He says that all he wanted all along, was just to be close to me, and that we need to catch up on the last 5years, as they've been wasted years.
He hasn't been able to remember exactly when the affair started (yeah right), but he's mentioned 5years a couple of times in regards to our relationship, so I'm wondering if that's how long the affair has been going on, but he just won't admit it.
He has admitted that he has been 'closed off' from me emotionally, and that it's due to what his ex did, and that he's protecting himself, as he's been scared all this time that I'd leave him. WTF, so now it's his ex's fault??

He begging me for another chance, and saying that he hopes I can forgive him one day.

Also, (sorry for this long ramble) about the carpet burns comment, he now says that it was a reference about me and him!!! Why on earth would he discuss 'whether or not he'd got carpet burns with me' - with her?

And with regards to the "I feel better now" "yeah me too, lets meet on Weds for a follow up" comment, he now says he'd given her a shoulder massage - whatever....

I have told a few friends now, and they are all shocked.

I am all over the place at the moment, one minute I'm sad, the next I'm angry, then fearful for the future, it's such a mix of emotions.
I'm finding it difficult to eat, but I am managing some food.
I went down to the CAB yesterday to make a start on finding out where I'd stand if we split.

I know that some people do recover from affairs, and that they manage to repair their relationships, but like someone said, it's the deceit & the timescale that really are killing me, and that fact he swore on my sons life is just beyond belief.

Wellwobbly - yes my depression may well be down to this. I'm finding it hard to take it all in.

Lilly3000 - he may well have 'mummy issues', and I think you're right, he may have wanted to purge his conscience.

Onefewernow - yes, I am exhausted! Yes, he is selfish.

So to sum up, I feel terrible, I'm afraid for mine & DS's future, I've re-read this thread, as you all talk a lot of sense.
The reality of it all still hasn't fully sunk in, it feels like everything has all been a lie - birthdays, anniversaries, Xmas, valentines etc, and our everyday lives, holidays together etc - he knew all along, I didn't.

I'm completely devastated beyond words.

OP posts:
LookingForwardToMarch · 04/07/2013 10:14

Knees = an injoke about a knee trembler?

Carpet burns?

Sorry OP from what you have written there it is plain as day that this definitely got very physical

LookingForwardToMarch · 04/07/2013 10:17

Very sorry op, replied before reading the rest of the thread Blush