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My DH has had an emotional affair

469 replies

bullinthesea · 18/06/2013 14:52

Hello,

I don't post very much, but I am a frequent lurker!

Sadly, I have discovered that my DH has been having an emotional affair with a woman at his work. I have met her a few times over the years, and have always liked her! (Not any more!).

He was supporting me through a nasty bout of depression, and she was also having problems with family illness etc, and it seems they got too close, whilst chatting. He has always been the type to help others out. I think perhaps his 'knight in shining armour' came out when he came across this 'damsel in distress'!

There were emails/Facebook messages/texts, (the texts were all deleted, but in plain sight on our joint itemised bill!).

I discovered the whole lot on Friday night, and confronted him on Saturday morning.

I told him to sit down and tell me the truth. He says that it was just a load of flirty e-mails, and that he knew it was wrong when he was doing it, that it had all fizzled out and that he regretted it. He was very remorseful, and asked whether I could ever forgive him. I told him it was about being able to trust him again.

I found comments such as

Him "I must have been on your mind, was this email meant for Mr X?"
Her "you're always on my mind"
Him "mmmmmmmmmmmmmm!"

And

Her "thank you for earlier, I feel a lot better now !!"
Him "yeah, me too, can meet up on Wednesday for a follow up if it helps :)"

Her "is there anything else I can do for you"
Him "there may be a couple of things that may rise up"

Him " look at you working on xyz"
Her "can never be too prepared?"
Him "I am always prepared!"

She also kept asking him about his knees, on one occasion, they were organising some work time, and he responded with:
Him "should be good"
Her " what do you mean, SHOULD......... Are your knees hurting?"
Him "no, they have recovered, it's my calf, I pulled it running this morning"

Another message went:
Her "how are your knees and feet now"
Him "well, no carpet burns! How are you, we,ve been thinking about you?"

Then there was the time about six months ago, when he was having some funny turns. He had to spend the day at hospital having tests. He had already phoned into work, to tell them that he wouldn't be in that day, and yet I discovered that he'd emailed her from the hospital, to tell her about the tests and said that it was scary, there were loads of exclamation marks at the end (and on lots of the other emails too). He then emailed her again later about the results, with the same message that he had texted to me a few minutes prior, but he'd added extra exclamation marks on hers.

A lot of the content of these emails (and some others that I haven't written about) suggests that things may have got physical.

He strongly denies that it got physical, and says that he doesn't even find her physically attractive. He has said that it was exciting, and that she had made him feel good, as it had felt like she wanted him. He also told me that she had tried to kiss him at an Xmas do a few years ago, but he didn't kiss back, and had thought it was odd.

I asked if he thought she might have a bit of a thing for him, and he paused and said, "yeah, probably".

I have told him that I am going to get tested for STIs, just in case, as I'm not sure I can believe what he's telling me, and want to be sure that I haven't caught anything.

We both cried a lot, and he buried his head in my lap and told me he was so sorry over and over.

I do love him very much, and feel that we became distant, (although things had been much better recently), that we need to focus on our marriage much more (he agreed) and do our best to recover the strong love that we always used to have.

Only thing is, if it did get physical, then I would have to end the relationship.

I am so confused, I can barely concentrate on anything, and I haven't a clue where I'd start if I suddenly found myself single - I'm a sahm, my son is 7, and I am not bringing in any income at the moment, so he supports us all financially.

I just don't know what to do next.....

OP posts:
Wellwobbly · 11/07/2013 12:28

the awful part of that is that he is probably telling the truth when he says she was a thing for his gratification.

But what he doesn't understand is that he is telling you you are the same.

Women to him are things that fulfill his needs.

But then on the other hand he is also lying and minimising his attachment to her.

It all sucks so badly.

Thisisaeuphemism · 11/07/2013 12:28

It is a load of bullshit. You don't stay involved with someone for years if that's what you think.
He is such a snivelling creep. Really.
He probably loves you. He hasn't respected you for years and continues to treat you as if you are an idiot. You are not.
Why do you think you have to stay married to someone who has cheated on you for years and has lied and lied again about it?

AgathaF · 11/07/2013 12:29

It really doesn't paint him in a good light. It's all about him where you are concerned, and it appeared to be all about him where she was concerned. Not good.

tessa6 · 11/07/2013 12:37

This is absolute bollocks. Makes no sense at all. They were texting about carpet burns RECENTLY! No one has a period of six months of being sexual with someone (with a vague but small number of times attached, jesus christ) then just leans back into a purely emotional affair when they work together and see each other regularly. If he saw her as a piece of meat he would have been stopping any contact with her after he'd shagged her a few times and it would have become awkward once she realised she was being used this way, unless she was just using him too.

And what a fucking HORRIBLE thing to say anyway. He is getting it so wrong, all this trying to second guess your anger by pretending to be as disgusted with her as you are with them. He is trying to make it seem like he is on YOUR side, with 'that woman' and his objectifying of her into nothingness. It makes him seem disgusting and is also kind of insulting to you. That he thinks you're daft enough to fall for it: 'yes you're right dear, she is a worthless slut who nearly ruined us, phew' OR that you would collaborate in demeaning anyone that way.

I would suggest you either push like crazy in these sessions to show the bollocks he's talking (phone records, passwords, email accounts, credit card statements, COME ON where's the actual STUFF of this, where are the FACTS and ACTIONS) or cut your losses and walk away content in his utter lack of respect for you. Again, he may be just too weak to be able to do this himself and still be talking to her about 'how they'll be together' or some such. Or maybe he's just an opportunist who can't keep it in his trousers.

It sounds like you are absolutely nowhere near the truth. Do not doubt yourself or apologise for not believing him. He has no history of honesty in this. Poor you. Very depressing. Real hugs.

Thisisaeuphemism · 11/07/2013 12:40

Has he let you see those emails yet?

tessa6 · 11/07/2013 12:46

of course you were depressed, OP.

Have you been tested for STIs?

Have you any reason to believe there could have been others along the way?

captainmummy · 11/07/2013 13:17

OP - Tessa is talking real good stuff there. He is trying to get you 'on side', trying to convince you that she is nothing/worthless/just sex to him.

What did the counseller say? Or don't they say anyhting really?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 11/07/2013 13:27

Oh that is such a crock I am glad your bs radar has kixked in, bullinthesea.

Xales · 11/07/2013 13:40

What a lying bastard.

Your title is he was having an emotional affair.

If he thought of her as a piece of meat he wouldn't have been texting her and being her knight in shining armour.

It is complete shit.

If he thought if her as a piece of meat what does that say of your relationship that he was willing to risk it all for her.

He is vile.

He is de humanising her and as I said before making her into a thing nor a person to try and reduce what he has done to the level of unimportant.

Pilgit · 11/07/2013 15:07

Have just read through this thread. They all follow a script - cheaters, don't they? He sounds like all the men I've known who have cheated. There is a way back from this for a relationship but only with full and frank disclosure. He clearly has not given this and does not want to give you this. If he did he would have confessed all at the beginning and then not burdened you with the responsibility of his emotions and done what you want him to do. He is trying to control you by not giving you the full picture and not allowing you the emotional space to decide what you want to do. He has problems with the word 'unfaithful' - i sincerely hope he doesn't teach english - how could he not have known that was what he was being? I'm sorry but the plain truth is that most adulterers would not stop unless found out; they enjoy the drama of it - they are staring in their own private soap opera and the drama of it all is exciting.

All relationships have problems and I am a firm believer that nice people can do shitty things (and shitty people can do nice things). It's what you do afterwards that really lets everyone know what you're really like. He has continued to lie, he has minimised, made it all about him and his needs, emotionally bamboozled you with crying and breast beating, asked you to keep it secret and not given you the disclosure you have asked for. These are not the actions of a nice person.

whatever happens I wish you well. But rest assured not all men are like this and you deserve to be treated with respect, dignity and lots of love.

AnyFucker · 11/07/2013 18:01

A "piece of meat"??

He thinks of a woman as a piece of meat

I have no words for a man like that

Get him out of your life. Really...what the hell are you thinking?

lazarusb · 11/07/2013 18:54

He really is despicable. I don't believe for one minute that he saw her as that. He's had/having a physical relationship with her and even if that has ended, he has continued this sordid text relationship with her. That isn't the action of a person who sees someone else as a piece of meat.

I'm glad you realise he's talking bollocks bull. I think the scales are falling from your eyes. He has a hell of a lot of honesty to bring forth (still) and he seems unwilling to do it. I'm guessing he's hoping he can bluff his way along as long as he needs to then you're back to the status quo.

AnyFucker · 11/07/2013 18:56

Actually I believe him that he views women as pieces of meat

when someone tells you what they are, listen

tessa6 · 11/07/2013 19:01

You must have seen lots of messages and emails in your discovery, bull. Were they very frequent, sharing, intimate? If so, of course they have been having an intimate relationship, not a 'piece of meat' type one. He seems so fixated in coming out like the good guy. First he's a hero because he got close to her trying to 'be there for her' and save her from her 'tough time' (would you do that for a bit of chop?!) now suddenly she's just a sexual fucktoy that he had no feelings for.

He is not telling you the truth. If someone won't do that even after all this discovery and confrontation, there is usually one reason, because the truth is so bad they can't bring themselves to say it out loud because of what it makes them.

AnyFucker · 11/07/2013 21:15

Oh, I dunno

he is doing that thing where the excuses he makes for his own behaviour are actually worse than the original misdemeanour

in my eyes, anyway

if my H were to cheat I would hope he had respect and affection for the woman he shagged...if he rubbished her and called her a "piece of meat" what does that actually say about him ??

it's worse...much, much worse

he wants you to think he detests her so you can become a little misogynistic unit against her

don't buy into it

the best thing you could actually do is unite with her against him

that rarely happens though, unfortunately

the default position appears to be to fight for the booby prize

I don't get it

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 12/07/2013 09:49

A month on bullinthesea it's been a walking nightmare for you. But you have the measure of H.

You can almost see his bottom lip wobble.
"It's not my fault... She made me".
Piece of meat indeed.

What lies did he spin about you or his home life to give her the green light for trysts in the tuck shop?

How they must have laughed when she gave DS that present which you innocently thanked her for.

I sincerely hope you have rl support, at least one friend you can lean on. Whatever you decide to do, the next few years you need to feel you have solid ground beneath you again.

The sham part of the past 7 years wasn't your life with DS. You and he make a good team. All the time you were fondly thinking you were half of a monogamous relationship, H certainly wasn't.

Ezio · 12/07/2013 10:46

Piece of meat, ugh, thats so vile.

He was having his cake and eating it, and he'll do what you want him too (NOT what he knows he should do) so you'll forgive him, then he'll be back shagging another "Piece of meat", thinking....."Wow, that was easy to get away with"

Get that sad tragic little chauvinist out of your life, before he shows DS thats how men behave (its not).

lazarusb · 12/07/2013 11:19

AF What I was trying to say (but perhaps not clearly) is that he doesn't see this particular woman as a piece of meat (and if he thinks that would make it any better is bloody awful anyway), because he has sustained a relationship with her over the years. I'm trying to suggest that if she was 'just' a fuck, he wouldn't have bothered to keep texting, shoulder massages etc...

Either way, he's still a low-life and bull deserves so much more, as do her dcs.

AnyFucker · 12/07/2013 11:31

Oh, indeed. Completely with you there, laz

Wellwobbly · 13/07/2013 07:00

Please read this, Bull:

chumplady.com/2013/07/real-remorse-or-genuine-imitation-naugahyde-remorse/

[how do you link things so that they do that blue here thing? (Apple mac)]

It took me AGES to realise that my husband was not remorseful.

MadAboutHotChoc · 13/07/2013 07:34

chumplady.com/2013/07/real-remorse-or-genuine-imitation-naugahyde-remorse/

(wobbly - you either tick the convert links automatically box or put two brackets at each end)

Lilly3000 · 13/07/2013 12:05

Although the giving and acceptance of a baby gift is obviously seems vile and strange, we don't know that anyone was laughing. I understand what you're saying Donkeys, but if I was the OP, the thought of this would cause me extra pain. It may have been during one of those remission times, like a conciliatory gesture i.e 'we're over and I'm so happy for you and your family that I can send you a gift', which the husband accepts with 'maturity'. Despicable nonsense of course. More like the bad fairy at the christening. There's such a lot of self-delusion going on on the part of the OP's husband. The 'piece of meat' comment sounds like self-loathing on his part. I completely agree with the Chumplady remorse list, although it can't all be done at once. Bull, I hope you are ok, but I somehow doubt it. x Sad Flowers

AnyFucker · 13/07/2013 12:23

Talking about a woman he has shagged and then dropped like shit on his shoe is self loathing ?

No, it's indicative of a hatred of women

This fucking bloke loves himself

What apologist nonsense

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 13/07/2013 12:28

Piece of meat?

Piece. Of Meat?

Do you have DDs? :( Your H is one of the few who are sadly, 100% misogynistic.

I feel the need to retract my statement about not judging. I DO judge. As other posters have said, he's got a severe Madonna/Whore/Selfish Cunt complex. If he can just convince you she's the 'evil whore' who seduced him with her unresistible 'Medusa' like powers FFS how stupid does he view you?!? Angry And you're the glowing angel come to 'save him,' he thinks he can slip into his old life once you're settled and find a fresh 'piece of meat' to 'pork' if this one isn't pathetic enough to allow a second affair. Like Tessa said, this WAS NOT just sexual. The fact he is trying to give you a rueful smile and a 'phewph!' attitude makes it far, far worse IMHO. No respect for your intelligence, no respect for your relationship, and perhaps most importantly.. No respect for women. He thinks he can appeal to you as the Madonna to hate The Whore and he and wriggle out happily in between you both as The Victim.

I feel so, so bad for you. :( This man is far, far, FAR worse than I thought when you first posted. I could never forgive That Woman I've Been Fucking For Five Years Is a Whore, A Disgusting Piece Of Meat... Not like you my Madonna Angel.

This guy hates women. I may be a feminist but I don't think I've ever actually cringed on a Relationships thread. :(

I also agree you shouldn't assume the contact has stopped. Your husband sounds like a real monster.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 13/07/2013 12:29

Or what AF said... That works too. Stop being so good at shorthand explanations AF!! :)

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