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Caught partner on porn - tmi and very long

98 replies

ItsTheYoniWay · 05/06/2013 21:47

Kids are asleep for the night. I've had a drink. I know bad idea but I'm a mess. Bear with me people...

Right I'm not wanting to hear from anyone telling me that porn is fine and to just get over it. It's not "fine" in my relationship and I made that very clear to my partner years ago.
Cba to even fucking namechange for this shit. I'm not long here anyway but long-time lurker.

Sorry if this is garbled. Mentally I'm just fried right now.

Bit of background. Partner of 5 years (2 kids - second is just 7 weeks) cheated on me at the beginning of the relationship. Actually he was pretty much just fucking me about at the start, only with me to make another girl jealous (we were late teens). He said some horrible things about me to her that I found out. I stupidly took him back believing that he meant what he said and he would change and he didn't mean it bla bla bla. It was very tough and I struggled with trust issues the whole way through.

I hate porn with a passion. Yes because it makes me feel like shit and it's a total fucking dealbreaker and not something I'm willing to tolerate. My partner swore to me he would never use it and that he would be totally honest with me. Was always telling me he doesn't like it and why would he because he has me. Naive I know.
I felt he was being distant with me over the past while but couldn't put my finger on it. No spark, no romance, he didn't seem interested in me much.
I kept trying to talk to him, saying I wanted to spice things up and make it work. Just felt like I couldn't get through to him. In one ear out the other. He'd make all the right noises and tell me what I wanted to hear but nothing ever changed.

So this morning before he set off I had fallen asleep on the sofa. I woke up a little while later and went looking for OH, called him and no reply. Saw his stuff in the hall so knew he hadn't left.
Went into the PC room and found him wanking off to porn. I freaked out. He gave some lame excuse about how he was looking at a "tutorial" video for anal sex because he wanted to do it with me but was afraid to ask. yeah fucking right

Now years ago I was raped by a (then) quite close friend I thought I could trust. As a result I find anal horrible and triggering. Nuff said.

He knows this. We did try it before at his request but it would trigger panic attacks, flashbacks, I'd be vomiting afterwards and I just couldn't do it yet it was all he wanted to do. I felt very pressured into it. Felt like he didn't understand or care and it was all about him. I used to cry during it sometimes and he wouldn't notice.

Eventually I put my foot down and said no more as I couldn't take it anymore. He said he was fine with it and that he was sorry bla bla bla.

Now knowing all this I think it's pretty sick and disrespectful of him to still want to do this shit knowing the effect it has on me. He's been basically letting more and more slip as the day goes on. The story keeps changing slightly. He says he wasn't looking for porn but tips to spice things up, that it was a tutorial video showing him what to do.

His excuse that he wasn't wanking he was measuring himself was the biggest LOL I've had in ages.
He must take me for a fucking idiot.

He's still sticking to that story though. Although he did admit eventually he was wanking but now it's "I wasn't going to finish". As if that makes it any less hurtful? Also he says it's the first time in 5 years it's happened...and I caught him straight away. Am I supposed to believe that? He had plenty of opportunity and he's obviously been doing this for ages hence him not having any fucking interest in me.

It's the fact he can still look me in the eye and lie to me that hurts the most. He just doesn't fucking care. He just wants me to forget all about it and "spice things up" like I'd been saying before I caught him.
BULL-SHIT!

There were other problems in the relationship. Things haven't been going that well in the past 18 months anyway and this is just the straw that broke it iygwim? I always felt that he had no respect for boundaries. He does little or nothing around the house. Sits on his fucking pc all day playing games. Little interaction with the kids.
Basically he wont grow the fuck up.

Honestly this just hurts like a motherfuck. I've been crying, then sarky bitch, angry then crying again. I feel like I'm losing my mind.
I was finally feeling like I could trust him. I felt great since my second arrived as in I always suffered with confidence problems and BDD. For the first time in years I felt like I actually liked what I saw in the mirror.
Now I don't know what to think.

Then again I also I have PND or something along those lines. I'm 90% sure I had it with my first but never sought help as I didn't understand it or the symptoms but it's only when I thought back it really hit me only recently that fuck sake why didn't I realise it?
I have up and down days. Mostly down. Worse since my second was born. Maybe that's why he went looking elsewhere?

I know I need to leave. I don't want to be with him now that I've finally copped on and know what he's like. I can't stand people breaking promises and lying to me.
The other part just doesn't want to believe it and wants to go back to the lala land of denial and pretend he'll go back to the same perfect guy he was when I fell for him which I know isn't going to happen because mr. perfect never existed in the first place.
I know if I stay he'll do it again and again and he'll walk all over me and it'll only get worse.

I still love him obviously. I always will. I'm completely mad about him. Sad If he wasn't such a shit he'd be everything I ever wanted. I wish I could switch off. Sad

I confided in my parents who live nearby. They were all trying to reassure me that I'm only 23, got the rest of my life left, will meet the right guy etc.Tbh every relationship I've had I've either been cheated on or treated like shite - I don't think I can ever trust a man again. Secondly I don't even want anyone else. I only ever wanted him. I can't imagine a life with anyone else.
Thirdly (I hope this doesn't cause offence) I've got 2 kids. Nobody will touch me with a 10-foot bargepole.

Talk some sense into me people. Yes he's still in the house but I'm not going to boot him out as he has nowhere to go and I don't want him on the streets. Yes I will let him see the kids. I'll fucking force him if I have to. I just don't know how to cope.

I'm waiting/terrified of the moment, probably tomorrow when he's not here, that I'm going to go through that bit again where it finally really hits me and I have a huge fucking crying meltdown where I do the whole "I can't cope, fuck my life" routine.

OP posts:
Snazzywaitingforsummer · 06/06/2013 01:12

He sounds horrible and uncaring. Two kids are not a barrier for a decent bloke and there are plenty around. Leave this idiot and in the future you will meet one of them. Though even if you didn't you would still be better off.

FarBetterNow · 06/06/2013 06:46

Yoni: Your partner has wierd ideas about sex.
Obviously being sexually abusive is a massive turn on for him, which is sickening.

MN is amazing, 30 years ago you would have struggled on thinking you were at fault. Now you know that this is the time to move on.

There are men out there who care and love, not abuse.

Best wishes to you for your new life without abuse.

Figgygal · 06/06/2013 06:55

Get him out .........hes downright nasty!!

Not a criticism here but a genuine question if things have been bad for 18mo why do you have a 7wk old baby? Why have another baby with this man?

TantrumsAndBalloons · 06/06/2013 07:03

Sweetheart, he is sexually abusive. And you know this.

A normal relationship with a decent man does not include raping you whilst you sleep, forcing you to have anal sex, knowing the horrific memories it triggers and wanking off to porn when you have already said it is a total deal breaker.

This is who he is.

Is being in any relationship worth this? No.
And do you know why?
Because you deserve so much better than this. You deserve to be able to sleep peacefully, not wondering if you are going to wake up having sex. You deserve a partner who listens and understands and who wouldn't dream of even suggesting you have anal sex after the rape.

So what if you are single for a while?

What he brings into your life is abuse and misery. Distrust and disrespect. That's it.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/06/2013 07:20

What the other respondents have written. He will destroy you in the end if you were to stay. This is no life for you or your children and your life will be over if you were to remain within this situation.

I would look at enrolling on Womens Aid Freedom programme as this is for women that have been embroiled in abusive relationships.

Love your own self for a change.

I would also have counselling for your own self to unlearn all the crap you have learnt about relationships along the way. You need to completely reassess your whole approach to relationships as all the relationships you have had to date with men have been, seemingly without exception, abusive.

I would also look up co-dependency and read "Women who love too much" written by Dr Robin Norwood.

ShinyPenny · 06/06/2013 07:27

Don't read the thread to him. You won't be able to make him see, which I guess is your aim.
Please listen to what everyone is saying, do not stay with this evil man. He sounds like a psychopath.
You explained anal was triggering, for him to bring it up ever again was ridiculously callous and disrespectful and cold and selfish. I cannot even find the words for him actually pressuring you into doing it. More than once!
He is the worst partner I have read about on here in 6 years. The worst. How dare he exploit a sexually vulnerable young rape victim for the sake of his penis. Does he actually hate you? Want to destroy you?

Then on top, the cheating, lies, porn, laziness too.

Listen, you are 23. The beginning of yor life still. You don't have to take all this shit.

You are scared of not finding someone else?
There are wonderful decent men out there who do not act like this man.
They want to live a life of basically... mutual support, celebration, joy, and nurture with their partners. Having DC does not preclude you from finding a wonderful decent man.

But being alone isn't something to be avoided at all costs you know. Especially for someone who could do with working on their boundaries, it can be a really useful time for growth and learning.
Remember that too.

Offred · 06/06/2013 08:01

Figgygal what a horrible post!

Clue: he is sexually abusive. Family planning isn't something you necessarily have control over when you are being repeatedly raped and sexually abused.

maidmarian2012 · 06/06/2013 08:03

Oh love. Your OP is heartbreaking. What a dirty bastard he is.

My advice to you would be get rid of him and let him be someone elses problem.

He sounds absolutely awful, he has no respect for you and can't possibly love you if he is prepared to sexually assault you. Angry

Everyone above is right. Please listen to these wise women.

The bad times dont last forever OP Thanks

Thinking of you xx

sapphirestar · 06/06/2013 08:19

No real advice for you, but just wanted to correct you on one thing, in case it's one of your reasons for not leaving:

Thirdly (I hope this doesn't cause offence) I've got 2 kids. Nobody will touch me with a 10-foot bargepole.

^^ This, not true. When my mum was 27 she was divorced with two kids aged 8 and 4. She met a lovely man, also 27, who had no problem with this and who became her husband, and a wonderful, loving stepdad who treated my sister and I like his own kids, and didn't treat us any differently when my half-sister came along a few years later.

It didn't seem like a big deal at the time, 27 seemed really old to me, but now at 26 with a child myself I realise what it must have taken for him to become a part of our family.
My point is that not only are there men that won't mind you having two kids, they'll also become a part of their lives willingly and because they want to become the father figure your children deserve in their lives.

Don't let fear of being alone stop you from getting out of this mess, only accept the very best for you and your little family x

greeneyed · 06/06/2013 08:22

Oh sweetheart. The fact you say you'll force him to see the kids if you have to shows how much you think he cares for them. He is bringing nothing to your family unit. (Leaving aside his treatment of you!) . Sounds like you have never lived alone. Going it alone will not be worse than this. Your confidence will build and it will be liberating. You are so young and have so much going for you.

Crazycake · 06/06/2013 08:40

I second what Sapphire said, I don't have any real advise BUT..... I left my exH (abusive in a different way) when I was 25, I had an 8 year old, a 6 year old and a ten month old. I thought nobody would ever want me with 3 children, let alone love me, how wrong I was! A year later, along came my knight in shining armour. Believe me I didn't want another relationship ever, instead we became best friends, for 6 months it was like this and he adored my children. Now 8 years on, we are married with a 2 year old. He is a fantastic father to all four children.

Thinking about being on your own is the last thing you need to worry about. You need to leave this poor excuse for a man and live your life for you and your children, good things come when you least expect it Thanks

Xales · 06/06/2013 08:49

It is really sad that the thing that is the deal breaker is him looking at porn and not the nasty vile way he has treated you.

He is not a nice bloke and he is a long way from a perfect partner.

Count your blessings you have not wasted even more of you life on this guy.

If you still have problems from your past can you get some councelling?

ThreeTomatoes · 06/06/2013 09:39

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SlowJinn · 06/06/2013 09:48

Another vote to get rid of this abusive manipulative bastard. You have your whole life ahead of you, please give yourself the chance to find someone who will cherish you and not abuse you.

hellsbellsmelons · 06/06/2013 10:51

You really need to get him out quickly or you need to leave if you think this will be a problem.
Contact Womens Aid and get yourself out.
As a PP said - I am very rarely reduced to tears reading posts but this one has made me so so sad.
Keep posting for support. The women on here are very knowledgable and very supportive.
Good luck with your new life.

WhiteBirdBlueSky · 06/06/2013 10:57

Porn isn't the problem. It's the way he treats you.

SugarandSpice126 · 06/06/2013 11:11

Arghhhh I'm so angry on your behalf!! He is not worth one more of your tears. Normal men are NOT like this, and I hope you can experience this yourself one day. You deserve to be loved and respected, not abused and treated like shit.

gostraighttojail · 06/06/2013 11:54

Please get out for your own sake and the sake of the children. I think you should talk to the police and woman's aid. The number has been posted up thread.

For the sake of your children, you MUST do this. And for you own sake of course. But your children must not live in a home thinking this is the norm. How would you feel if they repeated this behavior when older?!

Please stay away from men until you have had some counseling and come to terms with the shitty things that have happened to you. I'm so sorry all this has happened to you, especially as you are still so young.

Make this world a better place for your children. Do not allow your husband access to them without another responsible adult there. He is an abuser and a rapist. Who knows what he might do?

Can you afford legal advice and do you have somewhere safe to go? Or stay put and throw him out. Change the locks and seek an injunction against him. Do not feel sorry for this abuser.

Good luck. And for your innocent children too.

OctopusPete8 · 06/06/2013 12:08

I don't think porn is really the issue here,
the fact he has traumatized you and cheated on you in the past is,
If he was an all round good egg, and you caught out having a sneaky porn wank would you still go as mental? probably not?

MadAboutHotChoc · 06/06/2013 12:13

What a terribly sad thread Sad

You are being raped and sexually abused - having sex without valid consent (i,e while asleep and/or anal when you have made clear how distressing you find this).

Poor you - you are so young and you sound lovely and intelligent. You deserve so much more than this vile bully and abuser.

cjel · 06/06/2013 12:15

Bless you.I was where you are 25 years ago and because of abuse thought that it was my fault i didn't like him doing certain things to me.I had no concept that he was being horrid, because it was only him that i confided in. I stayed. was with him 30 yrs but about 10yrs ago got the rightcounselling i needed. I have been on my own 2 yrs am 53 and really am content. If i could say one thing to you it would be that being on your your own is soooo much better than being with this sort of person. When you have rediscovered who you are and what you like you will be ready to get together with a man who is what you deserve and you will never sell yourself short againxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

FarBetterNow · 06/06/2013 15:08

Yoni: Hope you are ok today.

I think the porn is the last straw.

Wishing you strength and peace.

FuturePerfect · 06/06/2013 16:17

Some women enjoy anal sex. (Probably not as many as this pornified world would have us believe.) Millions do not, and in any case, YOU do not - you hate it, and have repeatedly said so. Even without the horrible rape trigger, you are perfectly entitled to not like this. Look at it this way: his arse is functionally the same as yours. Does HE want something shoved up his arse, without his permission, till he is:
a) crying
b) nearly vomiting
c) having a panic attack?
Would you find that 'spiced up' your sex life? Would you be able to orgasm by producing that effect in him?

This is who he is.

KatieScarlett2833 · 06/06/2013 16:38

OP you are lovely. And so young ( jealous)
He is and will always be a prick that is not fit to lick your boots.
Always.

overture · 06/06/2013 16:49

Hello Yoni,

How are you today?

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