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Cleaning Lady Dilemma

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mustNCforthisone · 31/05/2013 20:28

Hi everyone, as you can see I've name changed for this one.

I am in a very awkward situation....very,very awkward and I need some advice without judgement.

I have a large family situation...and we have two people in the house who have a specific developmental disability one with tonnes of potential as long as we put effort towards it; one of them younger than the other and was having quite a lot of difficulty with expressive language. We also have a dog, a rabbit, some fish and an occasional cat. The children love animals.

Because of the nature of the family situation Dh and I felt that it would be best to employ a housekeeper to make sure the house was kept clean while we both work full time, the children are either at school or with specialist tutors to help with their needed therapies.

In the middle of January our housekeeper of the last few years decided to go back to brazil at a moments notice...I couldn't take time off of work and DH also couldn't get the time off so we found a temporary solution on gumtree (not our finest moment) but the children were well guarded and neither child would ever be left alone.  The nature of some of the therapy our children use has a lot of messy play involved and the house is just a mess in 5 minutes flat. The necessity of someone who can keep on top of the cleaning is paramount to our quality of life. Her job was to clean and to take the dog out for a morning walk.  

We found said cleaner and trained her to work in the house and offered her training on how to communicate with both children in the house and walk the dog in the mornings. At this point one of the specialist tutors (March) had to go away on medical leave and we couldn't find a replacement. The cleaner seemed good enough and had been working for us for 8 weeks and seemed reliable and eager to help us out, also most importantly she had availability...she was also very affordable. Since she would never ever be left alone with the children (as the other tutor was constantly around we felt like we could take a chance on her).

One of the children had trouble speaking on demand and on her last day of covering the other tutor she managed to get this child to speak on demand. I have no doubt it was her, not just a culmination of lots of therapy--the therapy was working on other things and not focusing on speech at the time. I love this child and I do feel forever grateful to her.

Two weeks ago, our local vet (who also happens to be a neighbour and a close friend) was in the park and caught her pulling on the dogs lead and screaming 'you f*ing C**!' she was pulling the lead soo aggressively that the collar was choking our puppy. Our vet called me while I was at work with a video of the incident. She was indeed dragging my little puppy through the park shouting all sorts of things at him and hurting him. I immediately took away her dog walking responsibilities and now do that at 6am and get into work an hour later. It is affecting my work, but I can't let my puppy be treated badly. I also immediately cut her from working with the children. Although she had never been left alone with either of the children, I didn't feel like someone with anger towards a dog and language like that would suit being around children with SEN.

On the other hand though, she did get one of the children to speak.

The child she worked with does adore her...but in the last month her performance as a cleaner has been pretty poor. We have spoken to her on occasion and she has blamed people (me) or anyone else she can find on her faults. Last night DH emailed her with a list of complaints he had and couldn't get answers for (he phrased the email very diplomatically and several times reiterated how much she means to us). She replied it couldn't have been her who did anything wrong and that it must have been me (I don't do housework--I honestly don't have the time).

Luckily I was able to work from home today, so when she came in today she was in a very bad mood<span class="line-through">she was rude to a few of the family members in the house (who have other chores in the house) They would never complain to me about her because they feel indebted to be staying here and wouldn't dare complain about anything. If I hadn't been here I would have never known how she treats the people in this house. She does dote on the children</span>especially with the little one she worked with.  

 At one point today she ran out of the house without shoes and decided to have a cry; came back and while I was on a conference call demanded to speak with me. I excused myself and did in deed try to speak to her. She listed all our complaints and tried to say it wasn't her. (but you see, it had to be her, no one else cleans the kitchen--no one else uses the kitchen during the day) They may use the table but the dishes and table are constantly clean. 

I noticed today that the whole atmosphere of my house was incredibly unhappy and she was the cause of the unhappiness. I do feel like I should let her go; but I feel bad because she convinced a reluctant child to speak.

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Leverette · 31/05/2013 20:33

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Jengnr · 31/05/2013 20:33

You know the answer....

badinage · 31/05/2013 20:34

Only on Mumsnet eh? Grin

FGS woman, sack her.

ALittleStranger · 31/05/2013 20:36

I am so utterly confused by this. Was she hired as a nanny or a cleaner, or what? Does she even know?

Portofino · 31/05/2013 20:36
Hmm
MushroomSoup · 31/05/2013 20:37

I think that somebody is only good for your family if they support the whole family.

Don't be blinded by her one good deed.

QueenofWhispers · 31/05/2013 20:38

I think she feels indebted because this lady helped the child speak?

OP, is the disability in question ASD? If so, I would have similar hangups...but then again, you are paying her. It's not like she's doing this all for free.

badinage · 31/05/2013 20:38

Given what she was calling the dog, can I ask what she got the child concerned to say?

EleanorHandbasket · 31/05/2013 20:39

You have people in your house who are indebted to you?

I can't even be bothered to read the rest.

HandMini · 31/05/2013 20:41

First of all, Hmm.

But seriously, you have these kids with (what sound like) very complex needs and 1:1 care and then you used your cleaner as stand-in care for them. Lazy. Very lazy. Call a specialist tutor/nanny agency, get someone with the right credentials and pay them.

Was she being paid cleaner/housekeeper rates to do a 1:1 therapist job? Were you also expecting her to clean/housekeep?

IAmNotAMindReader · 31/05/2013 20:42

You have an employess who is not fulfilling the responsibilities as you set out before you took the job and is trying to shift the blame onto anyone else.

Any employee who cannot take responsibility for their own actions will never become any better because they will never see the problem is sometimes them.

This working relationship is in the process of breaking down because she now believes you have become poisoned agaisnt her so cut your losses now before the relationship sours further (which it will as she is now on permanent best form of defence is attack approach).

FarBetterNow · 31/05/2013 20:43

It all sounds very complicated.

Does she have too many duties?

Maybe she would prefer to leave anyway if she isn't happy.

mustNCforthisone · 31/05/2013 20:44

eleanor

they feel humbled being here<span class="line-through"> not because I want them to feel this way. It's not their first choice to be staying with me, but they are family and I am happy to have them aslong as it takes to get them back on their feet. I love them dearly and I know (because they tell me) that they are grateful</span>I know that if I was in their home under similar situations I would feel the same way.
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BOF · 31/05/2013 20:46

That sounds very difficult for you. Erm, not sure what else to say really.

IAmNotAMindReader · 31/05/2013 20:47

In addition if you need someone else to help with your childrens needs I belive you should seperate that from the housekeeping and cleaning responsibilities in order to stand a better chance of finding someone for each job who is specifically trained for it and therefore more able to fulfill th eneeds of each position.

It sounds like you were incredibly lucky with your last housekeeper and splitting the job into these differing specialisations may be the best route to go down now.

LessMissAbs · 31/05/2013 20:50

Could one of the indebted people in the house take over the cleaning and the cleaning lady be made redundant? How many of the indebted people are there in your house?

Seems like an obvious solution to a somewhat confusing situation.

springtide · 31/05/2013 20:50

I am struggling to understand this situation - a person employed to clean and walk the dogs was given "training in how to communicate with the children" and then used to replace a (qualified) tutor on the basis that she was available and affordable (cheap!) Surely the reason why the cleaning hasn't been up to standard is that she now has the added responsibilty working with one of the children. But maybe I'm not understanding this properly..

cansu · 31/05/2013 20:50

Tbh I think you created this problem by employing someone to clean And then using her in a more responsible and specialist role. I also don't think email is a good way of dealing with issues. Unfortunately you gave this person too much control and responsibility and now you are paying the price. It really sounds like you have a lot of people in house taking on care and education and cleaning roles. I know ow difficult it is to juggle this kind iPod thing because I ran an ABA programme for me my dd whilst working and also had carers who came in to look after my disabled ds after school. The only way this works is by being in charge and being present at hand overs and by speaking to the people you are employing. I think you seem to want a replacement for yourself who can do lots of different roles. That is a big ask and you have rushed into something that doesn't work. If you had kept this person as the housekeeper then that maybe would have worked out just fine.

springtide · 31/05/2013 20:51

I am struggling to understand this situation - a person employed to clean and walk the dogs was given "training in how to communicate with the children" and then used to replace a (qualified) tutor on the basis that she was available and affordable (cheap!) Surely the reason why the cleaning hasn't been up to standard is that she now has the added responsibilty working with one of the children. But maybe I'm not understanding this properly..

suckmabigtoe · 31/05/2013 20:52

umm, after hearing how she treated the dog when she thought no-one was looking i'd be very interested in hearing exactly how she got the child to speak.

fear is a powerful tool for getting what you want out of children

ImperialBlether · 31/05/2013 21:24

I don't think anyone can make someone else speak. This child was destined to speak at that moment; the woman simply witnessed it.

I am intrigued by your situation but don't believe you should credit this foul mouthed violent woman with making a child speak. You should, however, give her her marching orders and take your time to employ someone who can do the job you want.

MissStrawberry · 31/05/2013 21:34

It is ridiculous to keep someone on who has been violent to a dog. Full stop.

Irrelevant that she got a child to speak. To be honest I would be wondering how she did it given her tendency towards violence, foul language, stroppiness and blame spreading.

CVSFootPowder · 31/05/2013 21:40

'cleaning lady' how very middle claarse Grin

if the thread is serious, she has to go if only because of how she behaved with the dog. People who are cruel/aggressive to animals are not good people.
That is all.

Vivacia · 31/05/2013 21:42

This is just mind-boggling. I'm sorry I don't have anything more constructive to say, but I hope the OP offers a bit more explanation.

Liara · 31/05/2013 21:44

We had a (somewhat) similar situation in my house when I was a child.

There was this one employee, who absolutely doted on one of my sisters. She was a cow to everyone else, and made everyone else miserable, but really did adore this one child. She meant everything to the child too.

I think my mother to this day regrets having kept her on. The child herself, who now has a daughter, says she wouldn't want a person like her around her dd, even though 30 years on she still stays in touch with her and calls her 'granny' (and supports her too!).

But it really ruined the whole household dynamic, and damaged that child's relationship with everyone in the house, to the point that it has never quite recovered.