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Cleaning Lady Dilemma

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mustNCforthisone · 31/05/2013 20:28

Hi everyone, as you can see I've name changed for this one.

I am in a very awkward situation....very,very awkward and I need some advice without judgement.

I have a large family situation...and we have two people in the house who have a specific developmental disability one with tonnes of potential as long as we put effort towards it; one of them younger than the other and was having quite a lot of difficulty with expressive language. We also have a dog, a rabbit, some fish and an occasional cat. The children love animals.

Because of the nature of the family situation Dh and I felt that it would be best to employ a housekeeper to make sure the house was kept clean while we both work full time, the children are either at school or with specialist tutors to help with their needed therapies.

In the middle of January our housekeeper of the last few years decided to go back to brazil at a moments notice...I couldn't take time off of work and DH also couldn't get the time off so we found a temporary solution on gumtree (not our finest moment) but the children were well guarded and neither child would ever be left alone.  The nature of some of the therapy our children use has a lot of messy play involved and the house is just a mess in 5 minutes flat. The necessity of someone who can keep on top of the cleaning is paramount to our quality of life. Her job was to clean and to take the dog out for a morning walk.  

We found said cleaner and trained her to work in the house and offered her training on how to communicate with both children in the house and walk the dog in the mornings. At this point one of the specialist tutors (March) had to go away on medical leave and we couldn't find a replacement. The cleaner seemed good enough and had been working for us for 8 weeks and seemed reliable and eager to help us out, also most importantly she had availability...she was also very affordable. Since she would never ever be left alone with the children (as the other tutor was constantly around we felt like we could take a chance on her).

One of the children had trouble speaking on demand and on her last day of covering the other tutor she managed to get this child to speak on demand. I have no doubt it was her, not just a culmination of lots of therapy--the therapy was working on other things and not focusing on speech at the time. I love this child and I do feel forever grateful to her.

Two weeks ago, our local vet (who also happens to be a neighbour and a close friend) was in the park and caught her pulling on the dogs lead and screaming 'you f*ing C**!' she was pulling the lead soo aggressively that the collar was choking our puppy. Our vet called me while I was at work with a video of the incident. She was indeed dragging my little puppy through the park shouting all sorts of things at him and hurting him. I immediately took away her dog walking responsibilities and now do that at 6am and get into work an hour later. It is affecting my work, but I can't let my puppy be treated badly. I also immediately cut her from working with the children. Although she had never been left alone with either of the children, I didn't feel like someone with anger towards a dog and language like that would suit being around children with SEN.

On the other hand though, she did get one of the children to speak.

The child she worked with does adore her...but in the last month her performance as a cleaner has been pretty poor. We have spoken to her on occasion and she has blamed people (me) or anyone else she can find on her faults. Last night DH emailed her with a list of complaints he had and couldn't get answers for (he phrased the email very diplomatically and several times reiterated how much she means to us). She replied it couldn't have been her who did anything wrong and that it must have been me (I don't do housework--I honestly don't have the time).

Luckily I was able to work from home today, so when she came in today she was in a very bad mood<span class="line-through">she was rude to a few of the family members in the house (who have other chores in the house) They would never complain to me about her because they feel indebted to be staying here and wouldn't dare complain about anything. If I hadn't been here I would have never known how she treats the people in this house. She does dote on the children</span>especially with the little one she worked with.  

 At one point today she ran out of the house without shoes and decided to have a cry; came back and while I was on a conference call demanded to speak with me. I excused myself and did in deed try to speak to her. She listed all our complaints and tried to say it wasn't her. (but you see, it had to be her, no one else cleans the kitchen--no one else uses the kitchen during the day) They may use the table but the dishes and table are constantly clean. 

I noticed today that the whole atmosphere of my house was incredibly unhappy and she was the cause of the unhappiness. I do feel like I should let her go; but I feel bad because she convinced a reluctant child to speak.

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Toughasoldboots · 31/05/2013 21:48

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Vivacia · 31/05/2013 21:52

One thing that's strange is the lack of confrontation. If somebody had treated my dog in this manner, to the extent that a vet took video evidence, my response would be more than taking her off dog walking duty. See also the diplomatic email about mistakes.

Toughasoldboots · 31/05/2013 21:56

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hermioneweasley · 31/05/2013 22:01

Agree with Vivacia. This seems odd.

starfishmummy · 31/05/2013 22:02

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chickydoo · 31/05/2013 22:07

All seems very odd
If you could afford 2 private tutors and a housekeeper a little while back, has your financial situation changed? Now you are employing this cleaner to dog walk, child mind & tutor.
Why can't the other members of your family help out a bit, especially if they are so grateful staying in your home.
Can they babysit?

ZZZenagain · 31/05/2013 22:20

so both dc now have an after school tutor again. You are back where you started when your housekeepervleft for Brasil. You hired her to walk the dog and clean. You are now walking the dog yourself at 6 a.m. and the cleaning is unsatisfactory. Look for a proper house-keeper. There is no reason why you cannot be generous to her in the arrangements you make for ending her employment

In future if one of the SEN tutors is absent, couldn't one of the relatives living in your home cover?

BarredfromhavingStella · 31/05/2013 22:22

Hmm just Hmm

Scrabbleyurt · 31/05/2013 22:41

This does seem very odd. I would have let her go after the incident with the dog.

She's cruel to animals, foul mouthed, unpleasant to people in the house, passes the buck and doesn't clean very well. Even if she is good with this particular child, surely she has to go!

EleanorHandbasket · 31/05/2013 23:01

Are you j lo?

cronullansw · 31/05/2013 23:03

Ha ha!!

How can this even be treated seriously?

Jemma1111 · 31/05/2013 23:17

Is this the best you could do OP ?

mrdarceych · 01/06/2013 02:29

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Mimishimi · 01/06/2013 07:41

I think you would be a rotten family to work for. You hired her as a cleaner and expected her to do that, walk the dogs and work as a substitute tutor for your SEN child. Did you offer her more pay?

bailo · 01/06/2013 08:01

Maybe if you are hiring somebody to work with your kids it should not be one of your criteria that they are 'very affordable'.

ScarletWomanoftheVillage · 01/06/2013 08:15

How can she just deny? Surely, you show her the video of herself shouting at and abusing your puppy?

Then you give her her marching orders.

Then you look for some more suitable people to fill the necessary roles.

I don't see how this would be a wind up. Confused It's not funny, so what would be the point?

This person needs to go. She sounds damaged, and damaging.

KatyTheCleaningLady · 01/06/2013 10:25

I wouldn't take you on as a client. I would have balked at dog walking.

Look, finding a reliable cleaner is hard. Finding one on Gumtree is like playing the lottery. Adding dog walking and childcare to the job is ridiculous.

Anniegetyourgun · 01/06/2013 10:31

I won't even ask why a thread about a cleaning lady dilemma is in Relationships. Oh - I just did. In the broadest sense, I suppose... human interactions...

BreasticlesNTesticles · 01/06/2013 11:13

How many people are in your house?

littlediamond33 · 01/06/2013 11:16

In a nutshell-you want too much from one person. a cleaning lady-cleans, a dog walker-walks dogs, a tutor-tutors, a nanny-nannys! you cannot expect one person to be all those things (for little pay?) without it all getting too much. esp if your dh is emailing her with complaints! (dont agree with the animal cruelty though.)

BalloonSlayer · 01/06/2013 11:36

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ChewingOnLifesGristle · 01/06/2013 11:42

I am boggling at the amount you expect her to doShock

pumpkinsweetie · 01/06/2013 11:48

Fgs sack her, don't really think you need to ask us!
Pulling a puppy and nearly chocking it, just aswell someone caught her so atleast you know she is no good for your family. If this is what she does to defensless animals, how long before she gets a chance to harm your kids?

pumpkinsweetie · 01/06/2013 11:49

But you need to find a cleaner, a nanny and a dog walker. You can't employ someone as a cleaner and expect abcdefg from them for a pittance.

Concreteblonde · 01/06/2013 11:54

Are you vair rich OP?

Are you the queen ?

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