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Cleaning Lady Dilemma

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mustNCforthisone · 31/05/2013 20:28

Hi everyone, as you can see I've name changed for this one.

I am in a very awkward situation....very,very awkward and I need some advice without judgement.

I have a large family situation...and we have two people in the house who have a specific developmental disability one with tonnes of potential as long as we put effort towards it; one of them younger than the other and was having quite a lot of difficulty with expressive language. We also have a dog, a rabbit, some fish and an occasional cat. The children love animals.

Because of the nature of the family situation Dh and I felt that it would be best to employ a housekeeper to make sure the house was kept clean while we both work full time, the children are either at school or with specialist tutors to help with their needed therapies.

In the middle of January our housekeeper of the last few years decided to go back to brazil at a moments notice...I couldn't take time off of work and DH also couldn't get the time off so we found a temporary solution on gumtree (not our finest moment) but the children were well guarded and neither child would ever be left alone.  The nature of some of the therapy our children use has a lot of messy play involved and the house is just a mess in 5 minutes flat. The necessity of someone who can keep on top of the cleaning is paramount to our quality of life. Her job was to clean and to take the dog out for a morning walk.  

We found said cleaner and trained her to work in the house and offered her training on how to communicate with both children in the house and walk the dog in the mornings. At this point one of the specialist tutors (March) had to go away on medical leave and we couldn't find a replacement. The cleaner seemed good enough and had been working for us for 8 weeks and seemed reliable and eager to help us out, also most importantly she had availability...she was also very affordable. Since she would never ever be left alone with the children (as the other tutor was constantly around we felt like we could take a chance on her).

One of the children had trouble speaking on demand and on her last day of covering the other tutor she managed to get this child to speak on demand. I have no doubt it was her, not just a culmination of lots of therapy--the therapy was working on other things and not focusing on speech at the time. I love this child and I do feel forever grateful to her.

Two weeks ago, our local vet (who also happens to be a neighbour and a close friend) was in the park and caught her pulling on the dogs lead and screaming 'you f*ing C**!' she was pulling the lead soo aggressively that the collar was choking our puppy. Our vet called me while I was at work with a video of the incident. She was indeed dragging my little puppy through the park shouting all sorts of things at him and hurting him. I immediately took away her dog walking responsibilities and now do that at 6am and get into work an hour later. It is affecting my work, but I can't let my puppy be treated badly. I also immediately cut her from working with the children. Although she had never been left alone with either of the children, I didn't feel like someone with anger towards a dog and language like that would suit being around children with SEN.

On the other hand though, she did get one of the children to speak.

The child she worked with does adore her...but in the last month her performance as a cleaner has been pretty poor. We have spoken to her on occasion and she has blamed people (me) or anyone else she can find on her faults. Last night DH emailed her with a list of complaints he had and couldn't get answers for (he phrased the email very diplomatically and several times reiterated how much she means to us). She replied it couldn't have been her who did anything wrong and that it must have been me (I don't do housework--I honestly don't have the time).

Luckily I was able to work from home today, so when she came in today she was in a very bad mood<span class="line-through">she was rude to a few of the family members in the house (who have other chores in the house) They would never complain to me about her because they feel indebted to be staying here and wouldn't dare complain about anything. If I hadn't been here I would have never known how she treats the people in this house. She does dote on the children</span>especially with the little one she worked with.  

 At one point today she ran out of the house without shoes and decided to have a cry; came back and while I was on a conference call demanded to speak with me. I excused myself and did in deed try to speak to her. She listed all our complaints and tried to say it wasn't her. (but you see, it had to be her, no one else cleans the kitchen--no one else uses the kitchen during the day) They may use the table but the dishes and table are constantly clean. 

I noticed today that the whole atmosphere of my house was incredibly unhappy and she was the cause of the unhappiness. I do feel like I should let her go; but I feel bad because she convinced a reluctant child to speak.

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retrome · 01/06/2013 12:42

OP, it's such a nice change to be reading about your problem and relationship with a cleaning lady, a nice 'clean' thread, rather than yet one more sad and disturbing story about a man either inappropriately assaulting or even raping his partner, or cheating on her because of his sordid, sexual appetites, or else watching porn in secret or looking for other women, often other men's wives, just to find someone to satisfy his urge to shag anything female. Disgusting, lustful creatures that they often are.
if it's not that, then they're putting down their partners psychologically, treating them like dirt or bullying or even physically abusing them and causing distress and misery to the good, reasonable and respectable women who are unlucky enough to have fallen in love with these animals. For a huge number of reasons so many men are hateful and beneath contempt and not worth even thinking about.
As for your cleaning lady problem, you did ask a lot of her, did you not? However, if she felt she couldn't cope with any of the tasks you assigned her she should have discussed it with you and told you honestly. But cruelty to animals is unforgiveable. Because of that alone you should drop her like a hot brick no matter how helpful she was in the past.
In the present economic climate she is lucky to have a job at all and if she doesn't feel your wage is adequate or that you are asking too much of her she should resign and try to find a better, more magnanimous employer, or at least one who isn't requiring quite so much at budget prices and worrying about money so much.
Employees shouldn't be exploited but at the same time they should be kept in their place and be aware of overstepping limits.

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KateSMumsnet · 01/06/2013 13:42

Afternoon everyone,

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KatyTheCleaningLady · 01/06/2013 14:17

Congratulations, retrome . You managed to write a post even weirder than the OP. Hmm

DevonshireCat · 02/06/2013 08:42

I'd let her go.

In future you need to decide what type of relationship you want with your staff. It looks to me like you want to have an employer employee relationship (training, emailing with performance comments etc.) bit don't want the burden of keeping her to a role description.

If you employ a cleaner then you need to pay appropriately and set out her responsibilities...not act surprised when she isn't any good at the numerous additional jobs you have given her.

Branleuse · 02/06/2013 08:51

do you or your husband actually do anything with your children yourself?

elinorbellowed · 02/06/2013 08:58

Either you or your husband needs to take time off. And how big is your house? Can we see it on Rightmove?

manticlimactic · 02/06/2013 09:43

Are they her children though branleuse? 'I love the child' That's a weird turn of phrase.

Nessiefern1 · 11/03/2015 10:33

I own a .cleaning/housekeeping business and sorry to say the duties you expect your Housekeeper to do are way beyond the remit of the service she is hired for. Housekeeping and cleaning! It's in the title!

hellospring · 11/03/2015 10:42

How bizarre. What exactly what she employed as?

Why did the vet take a video and not intervene?

'I love the child' - some sort of odd reverse post?

BitOutOfPractice · 11/03/2015 11:27

I am puzzled, exasperated and fascinated by this OP in equal measure Confused

Joysmum · 11/03/2015 12:30

ZOMBIE THREAD

Viviennemary · 11/03/2015 12:34

Sounds as if she cracked up because of the stress of all she was expected to cope with. Quite simply she shouldn't have been expected to do so much but on the other hand how she behaved with the dogs wasn't acceptable. But you must take some of the blame for your expectations of what a person is able to cope with.

BitOutOfPractice · 11/03/2015 13:45

Oops I didn't notice it was an oldie

blueberrypie0112 · 11/03/2015 14:48

I am scared for the kids after reading how she treated the animals. Especially if they have problem with expressing themselves . Children with disabilities are more prone to be abused by people who care for them.

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