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Mouseface · 24/05/2013 10:33

Hello, I'm Mouse Smile

A huge big welcome to the Brave Babes threads.

We're a varied group of posters, on this wonderfully supportive, non judgemental, gigantic Bus, and we are all heading in the same direction - towards Sobriety.

Some of us don't touch a drop of alcohol, some of us do. Some of us drink too much, openly admit it and are desperate to stop and some of us are trying to manage controlled drinking.

No matter what we're doing, we're just trying to do it One Day At A Time.

What ever you need, what ever your habit, chances are that there'll be another poster who is just like you or has been where you are now, already here, waiting to talk or just listen :)

Yes, some of us have been here for a longer time than others, some of us for just a few days but that's what makes this Bus so great imo, the variety of knowledge and understanding :)

This Bus has been whizzing along various roads now for almost four years thanks to the very desperate cry for help from THIS THREAD BY JWN

And if you'd like to read some of the other threads, maybe how we got to where we are today, then you can follow them back using the links RIGHT HERE

Hope to see you soon :)

OP posts:
lonnika · 03/06/2013 20:28

Welcome all new babes :). - 5 weeks tomorrow for me :). Have got through the low of the weekend and now feel great :).

fullofhopefullness · 03/06/2013 21:26

Well done lonnika!!

Fairenuff · 03/06/2013 21:27

Edin can you ask him to hide the left over lagers, or take them in his car to work so that tomorrow you're not tempted?

Lonnika well done, you really cracked that weekend. And 5 weeks? Wow, wow, wow Smile

clutter and MrsM it sounds like a defining moment here. What kind of motivation do you need to keep you on track? I find it helps to hang on to those memories of how awful the hangovers make me feel. How a 'couple' of drinks on a Friday evening can lead to a wasted weekend.

And keep checking in on the bus. The happy sober stories are inspirational and the regretting drinking posts are often a timely reminder Grin

ohcluttergotme · 03/06/2013 21:52

Faire that is exactly it! I had 2 drinks on Friday and it ruined the rest of the weekend. I thought today I wish I could bottle how I had felt yesterday & next time I'm tempted by alcohol, open the bottle and get a memory of how awful I felt.
Already starting to feel back to me and not finding my son as intolerable as I do on a hangover!
Lonnika, amazing amazing well done! 5 weeks is a brilliant achievement.
I want to get back to feeling strong and in control.
Off to bed, night wonderful brave babes x

Fairenuff · 03/06/2013 22:16

Yeah I reckon if we could bottle hangovers, it would cure us all Grin

A glass of remorse, guilt, shame, paranoia, sickness, dread, etc. So many of us do it over and over again and ask ourselves why. It is really, really hard to hold onto that feeling when in the grip of the WW.

Some of the best advice I've found here on the bus is to just concentrate on not picking up that first glass, one day at a time. Don't project, don't worry about tomorrow, just do everything we can to not pick up that first drink. Makes it sound more manageable, and it works too Smile

It's quiet on the bus this evening, hope that's a good sign?

RiotsNotDiets · 03/06/2013 22:19

I'm still horrified that I missed my exam because of a hangover, I could really have done with bottling that one up for future reference! It took me three days to feel fully recovered!!

Fairenuff · 03/06/2013 22:38

Here's an idea. How about making a collage of photographs/images that mean something to you but no-one else would realise. Like I could have a photo of my car to remind me that I can't drive with a hangover (in case I'm over the limit still) so can't take my children out as promised.

I could have a picture of a recycling symbol to remind me how shameful it is to have the neighbours see all the empties on the kerbside. And a photo of my local shop where they could be thinking, here she comes again, bottle of wine and loaf of bread.

You know, just reminders of all the things you don't like about drinking that you can stick on the kitchen wall to help keep your resolve.

For those of your with young children, their clear, bright eyes, rosy cheeks and bundles of energy at 5am should do the trick Grin

fullofhopefullness · 04/06/2013 01:53

Day 19 and no desire at all to drink wine. I hope noone minds me staying on anyway? I think I found the answer to this but maybe its an individual thing and everyone is different so not same answer for everyone. Otherwise I could bottle it up and send to you all!

ohcluttergotme · 04/06/2013 07:12

Faire I love the collage idea! I'm going to get a photo of mini clutter dressed up as super hero with clock behind him saying 5am!!! Brilliant idea. Going to think of what else to put on my collage of shame/remorse/regret x

Edinbugger · 04/06/2013 09:26

Riots - yes, I think I'll ask him to - though to be fair he barely drinks at all these days - 99 times out of one hundred it's me slooshing about the place. I can only assume that when I declared that I was off the booze on Saturday he assumed that I'd only last a day or two (as per usual) so reckoned him coming home with beers wouldn't be a problem.

Faire - mercifully the fridge is booze free this morning as he drank it all last night and was feeling v sorry for himself this morning. I know myself well enough now that I can't have booze in the house without drinking it so if he hadn't drunk it/removed it/hidden it I would have had to pour it away this morning. I love the idea of a collage - I can think of several things I could put on it that would make me think twice about ever drinking again - things I conveniently forget about when the witching hour arrives.

aliasjoey · 04/06/2013 09:31

Riots and Edin yes of course keep posting even when you're not drinking or just to keep reminding yourself. It's funny how the wine witch can sneak up on you at unexpected times...

lonnika 5 weeks!

purple are you there? you gone AWOL again?

Theala · 04/06/2013 10:19

Good morning! I am just checking in, to see how everyone is doing, and to remind myself what I'm trying to do.

How are you feeling at the moment, alias?

Ive decided I'm starting a much-needed health kick today, so no booze, healthy eating, and a lot of exercise for the next month. I suddenly have a lot of things I want to do, and I want to be in form to do them.

aliasjoey · 04/06/2013 10:46

hello theala

I hope you don't push yourself too much with that health drive... give yourself some treats now and then (as a wise Bus passenger once said "tackle your problems in the order they will kill you" Grin)

I'm mixed up, as usual. After 4 weeks on the lofepramine, I'm still not sleeping (although it has helped the anxiety a bit) and have horrible side-effects. Dry mouth, special mouthwash doesn't help.

So I'm going to have to - yet again - go back to the doctors, I guess give in trying to work out what to do about the insomnia, and just go back to prozac. Which at least worked for the anxiety without any side-effects.

Insomnia and hot flushes? Try and alternate prozac with mirtazapine? Not sure if GP will agree to that. Or go down the perimenopause line. Which I have not come to terms with...

TattyDevine · 04/06/2013 10:48

Hi y'all. Can I join?

You may have seen me on other parts of Mumsnet. I could have namechanged but don't really see the point! I am who I am.

I am drinking too much. I've known this for a while. I think lots of people do actually. Its so ingrained in our culture. But for so many people they can drink too much one night or two nights here or there, which is still bad ("binge drinking" etc) but they can then have days without, and somehow aren't drinking at dependent levels even if their weekly or monthly units look bad on paper.

However, I had got to the point where I was finding it nigh on impossible to have an alcohol free day ("too hard today, I'll do it tomorrow") because I'd just start feeling overwhelmed and slightly agitated around 4pm (big trigger for me is being "in for the day") - no need to not drink, as you don't have to drive anywhere, and you are on the home stretch, so to speak with kids and kids dinner, bath etc...who doesn't find cooking dinner easier with a glass of wine on the side? Who doesn't find the drudge of bath easier with a wine being sipped here and there? Then you are at least 2 glasses down, or perhaps you've done the bottle. Back downstairs, time to do dinner for you and your husband, who returns too late to all eat together.

He comes home, spies a few inches of wine in the end of a bottle, has a glass. "Would you like a glass of wine darling?" - "ooh, yes please!". So he gallantly opens a bottle.

So you finish dinner, and that nice big glass of wine he poured you, you both mooch through to clear up, he tops your glass up.

And you've done a bottle and a half. Sometimes slightly more.

So you do that most days, you do that every day. And you wonder why you can't give up.

Because you are doing close to....I'm not sure I can write this down, because I'm damn sure I couldn't say it out loud...100 units a week.

You are busting out your jeans even though you convince yourself you are not eating badly. And you are not eating badly. You are drinking badly. You are taking in three quarters of your daily calorie allowance for the average woman in wine, and you are eating normal food as well. You you are gradually gaining weight and you damn sure aren't losing it, even if you do some exercise or switch your biscuit to a piece of fruit. You break a sweat at the smallest thing in the morning. You wake several times a night to drink a pint of water. Sometimes you have a period of an hour or two in the early hours of the morning where your eyes spring open and you are wide awake while everyone else is asleep. In the morning, you drag yourself out of bed. You go through the motions. You are over it. But then 4pm comes around, and you've done so well to get to this point, and the sun is shining in the garden, and a crisp glass of Pinot would be just the ticket.

That's what I've been doing, and I've had enough. Even if I haven't, my liver will do at some point. And you know what, I'm sick of the bind of having to buy wine. Every day. I'm sick of looking at what I've spent in the supermarket or shop each month and thinking, bloody hell, its not exactly a cheap habit is it.

So I went to my doctor yesterday to discuss it, and she has referred me to a place to discuss the habit side of things, and I have a prescription which I started yesterday which makes stopping drinking a hell of a lot easier (did you know a lot of the things that make you turn to a drink in the early days - say first 3 days - of trying to give up are actually physical withdrawals? You probably did know that but surprisingly I didn't quite make the connection, I just thought I had no willpower which made no sense when I was so motivated to give up, why I couldn't just do it)

So here I am on day 2, I feel great for not drinking yesterday, and I will not drink today. And I will drop in regularly and let you know how I'm getting on.

Its unlikely that I will never drink again - I'm not sure that is realistic for me, and I'm not sure (though remain openminded) as to whether its actually necessary. Time will tell. My main goal at this point is to enjoy a decent period of abstinence, and never ever get to the point where I am drinking at dependent levels again. This might mean I let myself do whatever on a Friday and Saturday night in the future but not drink during the week at all. Or something. But it means never going back to these levels, and never drinking at a physically dependent level ever again

But they are future goals, my current goal is to get dry and enjoy a decent period of abstinence - a month would be great, maybe more. But one day at a time. I'd love to achieve moderate drinking in the future. Some say it cant be done, others can do it. But that doesn't matter right now. Short term goals met will be a very good start.

More later
Tatty x

LRDtheFeministDragon · 04/06/2013 11:01

Hi tatty.

That sounds so familiar, about it not being a cheap habit (oh, ouch it isn't).

And about your DH. Mine is a darling but it is difficult to explain to him that probably him kindly buying a nice bottle isn't the best idea.

Will your DH be stopping drinking with you? Obviously it's a pain for him but sometimes easier IMO, at least for the first nail-bitery few days.

FWIW, my experience of the physical is it goes on longer than you think. I reckon to about a week before it steadies out, because my sleeping patterns really suffer (as in, I want to sleep All The Time).

I am also trying for a good long period of abstaining (maybe permanent but I don't want to get complacement). I've just done a couple of weeks and feeling so much better already. But I've also done lots of stopping, starting, trying to stop, drinking, etc. etc. etc., which is crappy and depressing, but I keep telling myself, every day off it counts. Every day off it helps. And it does.

Sorry, rambling on the way I do, but nice to 'see' you. Smile

LRDtheFeministDragon · 04/06/2013 11:01

... and when I say 'it goes on longer than you think', needless to say, it goes on longer than I think, and I get bitten on the arse. Because I am a twit. Hmm Blush

Mintyy · 04/06/2013 11:05

Welcome Tatty.

I do very much agree LRD - every day off helps.

My days off it have just kept going up the past few years to a point where I feel comfortable most of the time. I think (never say never) I am one of those who can control myself wrt alcohol, but 4/5 years ago I was drinking almost every night.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 04/06/2013 11:08

I should put my hand up and say, I am not one of those who can control myself!

Anything I say tends to come from that background, but it doesn't mean I'm assuming others shouldn't try to do it, or no-one can, in case it ever comes across like that.

TattyDevine · 04/06/2013 11:15

Hi! Yes, I think there are the actual physical withdrawal things, but then (I have noticed in the past) the blood sugar ups and downs can wreak havoc for a little longer.

In fact I do think blood sugar issues are a big factor also in triggers for me...I'm not really a sweet tooth, and people I know who are go on about the late afternoon sugar rush etc, well for me I get the wine rush, and I know it makes your blood sugar lower initially but it then messes it all around. Hence the 10pm crackers and cheese snack! You know the drill.

Husband - he's great and means well, and we have actually talked about my drinking and his - he is away for the next few days and when he comes home I'll discuss my goals with him. I think he will be pleased. I know he'd like to drink less so he may well join me.

He's not a "oh go on just join me in one glass" kind of person - if I've said no I'm not and attempting not to, he wont cross the line. He's great.

I had a good break from it last spring (as in 2012). He used to do this thing where on a Saturday or Sunday, when it was time for him to have a beer (usually about half 4) he'd make this mouth smacking noise and point to the fridge - it was as if to "get permission" to have a beer (which he didn't need). I used to say, oh well, if you insist, and he'd have a beer and I'd have a wine. Anyway last spring when I had a good break I asked him to stop doing the wine o'clock mouth noise (!) because it was a trigger, I said "just discretely open your beer and drink it and I'll be fine" and I was, and to be fair he hasn't done it since even on days where he knows I am drinking.

So confident he will work with me.

But funny how these little habits creep up on you, and yes, he did play a part in it, but we have been married 12 years or something so we bounce off each other in many different ways. So he will definitely have to play a part in turning this around, and I'm confident he will want to do so...

LRDtheFeministDragon · 04/06/2013 11:19

He sounds lovely. Smile It really helps, I think, if they're on board.

Mouseface · 04/06/2013 15:26

Sorry to just jump in but I wanted to post to venus

Darling lady I am so very sorry to read that your mum has passed, finally lost her battle to stay here with you but at least she is at peace now.

I hope, with all of my heart you are being kind and gentle to yourself, taking time for YOU.

Sending all my love,

Mouse Thanks

OP posts:
babyjane1 · 04/06/2013 15:53

Hi babes, Will catch up later but for now my sincere condolences to our lovely Venus, you are in my thoughts and my prayers, hi to all newbies, as I say will catch up with you all later x x x

babyjane1 · 04/06/2013 15:55

Hi babes, Will catch up later but for now my sincere condolences to our lovely Venus, you are in my thoughts and my prayers, hi to all newbies, as I say will catch up with you all later x x x

Theala · 04/06/2013 16:06

Sorry to hear you're still not feeling great, alias. Definitely go back to the doctor. Would you feel ok talking about your possible peri-menopausal symptons with him/her as well? It does sound that it might be related.

My 'health drive' is mainly just not drinking and more exercising, to be fair. I haven't been able to run for ages because of an injury I got back in January, but I think it's healed well enough that I can start back running now. I know exercise has a massive influence on my mood, so I'm dying to get back to it now.

Tatty, your story rings a lot of bells with me. The other day I got really pissed off because DP didn't tell me he wouldn't be back in time for dinner. He said that I hadn't seemed bothered before if he came back late. But before, I was secretly pleased if he came back a bit later as it meant I could keep drinking wine while I waited. Blush
He noz tells ;e if he4s going to be late.

fullofhopefullness · 04/06/2013 19:30

Sorry for self obsession atm. Had good work news for a change and sun is shining and all well for first time in a while. Thought it might be a lets 'celebrate' trigger but pleased to record that ive no wine inkling whatsoever!!