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Am I being unreasonable to be falling in love in this situation?

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NotDead · 20/05/2013 17:15

Hello,

I am a bloke asking for advice. I am confused by the signals from a woman I have always fancied, but with whom we have set our relationship up as almost friends, but with a tension in it that just doesn't fit friendship. She is 15 years younger than me and I first met her when she was about 21. I liked her very much the first time we talked, but I was always very conscious of a professional relationship between us. We chatted away and got on about things that are rare for me to share with people. She is not the type who jumps into relationships - in fact she had a 6 year relationship with someone who seemed dramatically unlike the person one would expect her to be with (she is really interesting, into alternative music and dressing differently - he was Mr straight and dull) She is the type to talk a great deal about sex with me - certain things I would like to try, she would also like to try. I, of course, am desperate to do them with her, and yet she seems more generally interested. Try as I might to be sensitive about entering into physical contact, though, she seems to give me so few signals that I can never be sure whether she wants anything from me or not, but I am crazy about her. Partly I know this is down to my tendency to only really make a move on women when I am a few glasses down - whereas I think she sees being too drunk as a less genuine state and so that situation - of mutual inhibition loss - is less likely. I worried that the age gap was too much and so was always looking for signals from her. These seem to come partially - in the sense we talk online after long gaps of not seeing or speaking to each other - but not fully - in the sense that when we meet, I am dying to make physical contact/kiss etc, but we never do. I saw her for a weekend recently and she said beforehand that she would put me up in her living room. Perhaps I was being too gentlemanly but when we got back I said I was happy with that, but in reality I wanted desperately to spend the night in her bed with her - though I know getting it together with someone you really like as opposed to just vaguely fancy is always difficult and probably more so with this age gap.

Our relationship in between these meetings got a bit distant partly because of geographical distance, and partly because of lot of negative stuff in my life that meant I found it difficult to share. With her, I felt that the last things she needed was a friend with difficulties. I have noticed though that as soon as she split up with her long term boyfriend, she contacted me - but I was deep in family bereavement and unable to really connect with anyone.

In that interim time, to my sadness and yes, jealousy, I found that she had been dating someone older than me. This made me feel so sad, as it sort of suggested a. that age wasn't the issue I thought and b that perhaps our 'thing' had opened up the possibility of older men to her.

On our last meet-up - ostensibly as friends - when I look back, she asked me how many people I have slept with, we talked about how she wants a baby before she is 30, about where her career might go and about how my being in a good relationship could help me get what I want out of life - all things that on reflection sound so much like she wants me too that the lack of signals I can trust just confuses me more. I sometimes wonder if I have been spoilt by seeing women who are more confident about approaching men.

Anyway, the thing is that after our last weekend together I was both incredibly sad to be leaving her, but also elated. I finally realised that I was falling in love with her - or at least, I was finding it hard not to want to talk to her every five minutes - I have thought about her every day since. I kinda broke discipline and confessed to her that I fantasise about her sexually - partly because I know she has particular fantasies that we discussed - but partly because I think a conventional 'love' approach might be too uncomfortable for her - but secretly I have more fantasies like this than I do sexual ones. I think that through this, and some silly self-ridiculing boasting when we first met, she thinks me not serious. I suspect also that some of her male friends have warned her off me - but with their own agenda. I don't really know what advice I am looking for, but I can't work her out and perhaps you can help me? Of course, in the state I am in, not being able to work her out makes me giddy with even more appreciation for her - I've got it bad haven't I?!:)

Any advice seriously welcome. :(

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SoleSource · 21/05/2013 22:20

Pmsl

cherhorowitz · 21/05/2013 22:22

I'm back and I'm confused. OP, did you phone your chum and ask her to bang you yet?

Patiently waiting and ever your fan,
Cher.

SomewhereBeyondTheSea · 21/05/2013 22:24

Re: the 'client' thing - maybe he's a professional gigolo?

cherhorowitz · 21/05/2013 22:26

I hope he owns a pair of pleather pants.

FightingFires · 21/05/2013 22:53

Nose in the road? NOSE IN THE FUCKING ROAD?

Well.

ArtexMonkey · 21/05/2013 23:04

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KittyVonCatsworth · 21/05/2013 23:06

Hmmm.....perhaps a nice bite to eat first may put a rosy, romantic glow on proceedings......meat stick followed swiftly with dragon butter Sir......

NotDead · 22/05/2013 16:09

look you lot I'm serious! this is a nightmare. . after many years of half relationships I've found a woman who I really can see a long term relationship withand its freaking me out!

btw I do tend to play up to the imagei think people sometimes have of me so sorry about the eggsac reference. I am trying to get my head round how one approaches these things. I suppose I have usually been sex first/early usually but with this woman part of me is straining at the leash to just dive on her and have sex with her- the other part of me wants to tell her how I feel about her, talk about the future- you know be a proper boyfriend to her. I just cant work this out at all!

thing is I know for siure that we are crazily sexually compatible and I dont think I have ever been this sure before with someone who hasnt made it clear they fancy me. Perhaps she is deliberately driving me crazy.. I am enjoying this constant tensionon, but I just dont know what to do whenyou are really into someone like this! any stories that might help v. welcome!

also dont wanna talk about prio relationship as too out-ing sorry.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 22/05/2013 16:13

Couple of things. Shit or get off the pot. And, you don't know you are sexually compatible. As with so many things about this relationship you are assuming. Based on talking a good game and your own very rich fantasy life.

NotDead · 22/05/2013 16:16

Also someone tried to kiss me tye other day and I tried to be nice and reciprocate but all I could think of is how it made me realise I wanted to be kissing x. Btw I know I give off an impression of being sex obsessed. I do like it you know.. but how does one give off sexy AND sensible vibes which I think she might like? ive tried dtressing like her and .. oh whoops again I am playing up :( perhaps I struggle to be honest about love and that is what she is picking up? Also do people usually get together with the person in their lives they had the most attractionfor or do women compromise for the most sensible option -less passion but less risk? I think that would sort of fit my exes a little but then I am biased..one or two looked so unsparky with the men they married. It made me sad but perhaps that is better :(

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SacreBlue · 22/05/2013 16:18

The teenage language would be a giveaway for out of school japes if it wasn't for horrible experience of an advice worker for vulnerable women having similar views, expressions and actions asking those seeking advice on benefits out for a date anyone? No? How about getting vulnerable teenage mums to show you their intimate tattoos?

I reported that git to employers and local agencies to try to stop him ever having access to anyone vulnerable again, but you never know what pigs get through the system, or which employers won't give a damn about their clients.

cherhorowitz · 22/05/2013 16:27

Why have you not just CALLED her?

So presumably it's an ethically wrong relationship? Why else would it out you?

BOF · 22/05/2013 16:55

You've tried dressing like her? Distressing her? Stressing like her?

You make absolutely no sense, seem to have the emotional intelligence of an am?ba, and are almost certainly deeply unethical, or you would have admitted, even in broad terms, what your professional relationship with her was.

I think you need some therapy. Seriously. And stay away from women.

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NotDead · 22/05/2013 18:29

Hello. BOF thanks but I think you are protecting onto me quite a lot of you own negative ideas. I know you are trying to goad me into telling you something I have said clearly I won't say, but sadly..or reliably I am good at keeping my mouth shut if I feel it is better for the other actors in situatuons. Sorry but not telling you something that I doubt x would like me to tell you without checking with her is not an expression of 'certain unethicalness' as you rabidly try to imply.

You, as agroup, are suggesting that I should be upfront and that sits uncomfortably with me not because it isnt good advice but because either a. the dynamic that exists already isn't changing clearly enough to jump in both feet or b. there is something in my feelings for her that still needs processing before an open approach might be appropriate. or perhaps c. I know deep down that if we got together someone, probably me, could get very hurt. I can't afford to be as hurt as my last rel made me...but then weighing on that is my mantra that if the potential cost is so high..then this means its even more worth trying for.

Oh and as regards calling, she hates talking on the phone properly..more a post and text girl.. its worse tho because it can be re read etc! I'm a talky type but then I am just used to interactions wheras she is a bit (sexily) geeky.. hth thanks for advice

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NotDead · 22/05/2013 18:37

oh and I know I'm obsessed woth myself.. I am trying to be obsessed with someone else! Grin

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cherhorowitz · 22/05/2013 19:06

Oh, OP. She is sexily geeky because she doesn't like talking to you on the phone? Wise up.

cherhorowitz · 22/05/2013 19:15

If Princess Tippytoes reads this shed run a damn ass mile!

AnyFucker · 22/05/2013 19:24

you want "stories" ?

why does that not surprise me...

NotDead · 22/05/2013 19:29

I didn't say that! and stories...just meant examples..sheesh! Stop attacking me ! I was only asking!

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AnyFucker · 22/05/2013 19:33

Yes, you were

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NotDead · 22/05/2013 19:41

I didn't say that! and stories...just meant examples..sheesh! Stop attacking me ! I was only asking!

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