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Am I being unreasonable to be falling in love in this situation?

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NotDead · 20/05/2013 17:15

Hello,

I am a bloke asking for advice. I am confused by the signals from a woman I have always fancied, but with whom we have set our relationship up as almost friends, but with a tension in it that just doesn't fit friendship. She is 15 years younger than me and I first met her when she was about 21. I liked her very much the first time we talked, but I was always very conscious of a professional relationship between us. We chatted away and got on about things that are rare for me to share with people. She is not the type who jumps into relationships - in fact she had a 6 year relationship with someone who seemed dramatically unlike the person one would expect her to be with (she is really interesting, into alternative music and dressing differently - he was Mr straight and dull) She is the type to talk a great deal about sex with me - certain things I would like to try, she would also like to try. I, of course, am desperate to do them with her, and yet she seems more generally interested. Try as I might to be sensitive about entering into physical contact, though, she seems to give me so few signals that I can never be sure whether she wants anything from me or not, but I am crazy about her. Partly I know this is down to my tendency to only really make a move on women when I am a few glasses down - whereas I think she sees being too drunk as a less genuine state and so that situation - of mutual inhibition loss - is less likely. I worried that the age gap was too much and so was always looking for signals from her. These seem to come partially - in the sense we talk online after long gaps of not seeing or speaking to each other - but not fully - in the sense that when we meet, I am dying to make physical contact/kiss etc, but we never do. I saw her for a weekend recently and she said beforehand that she would put me up in her living room. Perhaps I was being too gentlemanly but when we got back I said I was happy with that, but in reality I wanted desperately to spend the night in her bed with her - though I know getting it together with someone you really like as opposed to just vaguely fancy is always difficult and probably more so with this age gap.

Our relationship in between these meetings got a bit distant partly because of geographical distance, and partly because of lot of negative stuff in my life that meant I found it difficult to share. With her, I felt that the last things she needed was a friend with difficulties. I have noticed though that as soon as she split up with her long term boyfriend, she contacted me - but I was deep in family bereavement and unable to really connect with anyone.

In that interim time, to my sadness and yes, jealousy, I found that she had been dating someone older than me. This made me feel so sad, as it sort of suggested a. that age wasn't the issue I thought and b that perhaps our 'thing' had opened up the possibility of older men to her.

On our last meet-up - ostensibly as friends - when I look back, she asked me how many people I have slept with, we talked about how she wants a baby before she is 30, about where her career might go and about how my being in a good relationship could help me get what I want out of life - all things that on reflection sound so much like she wants me too that the lack of signals I can trust just confuses me more. I sometimes wonder if I have been spoilt by seeing women who are more confident about approaching men.

Anyway, the thing is that after our last weekend together I was both incredibly sad to be leaving her, but also elated. I finally realised that I was falling in love with her - or at least, I was finding it hard not to want to talk to her every five minutes - I have thought about her every day since. I kinda broke discipline and confessed to her that I fantasise about her sexually - partly because I know she has particular fantasies that we discussed - but partly because I think a conventional 'love' approach might be too uncomfortable for her - but secretly I have more fantasies like this than I do sexual ones. I think that through this, and some silly self-ridiculing boasting when we first met, she thinks me not serious. I suspect also that some of her male friends have warned her off me - but with their own agenda. I don't really know what advice I am looking for, but I can't work her out and perhaps you can help me? Of course, in the state I am in, not being able to work her out makes me giddy with even more appreciation for her - I've got it bad haven't I?!:)

Any advice seriously welcome. :(

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 21/05/2013 00:13

shaky...there is only one thing for it....

LTB

MaggieMaggieMaggieMcGill · 21/05/2013 00:15

Feathery stroker was a term credited to an author further up the thread. I do believe the author was Marian Keyes.
I think it's a term we should all clasp to our bosoms though, as I am sure we have all come across one at some point.

cherhorowitz · 21/05/2013 00:15

She can't LTB AF! THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

cherhorowitz · 21/05/2013 00:15

This thread took a wrong turn somewhere.

AnyFucker · 21/05/2013 00:17

I am not letting a FS loose near my bosoms ever again

Shaky · 21/05/2013 00:21

Ha ha ha AF Grin

Shaky · 21/05/2013 00:24

I think I just pissed on my onesie again

cherhorowitz · 21/05/2013 00:25

DP forgot to lock the back door before bed. We love six terraces gardens down from an exit and have 30ft walls on the other two sides but THAT'S NOT THE POINT. My problems are grater than all of your wanky feathery ones.

LTB? Grin

AnyFucker · 21/05/2013 00:34

shaky, are you the onesie pisser ?

I don't blame you, tbh

Shaky · 21/05/2013 00:39

Defiantly

Now, tell me about your problems.

I probably won't be able to help but I will try

Shaky · 21/05/2013 00:44

AF I am very ashamed to say, " yes, I am a Mumsnetter and I pissedon my onesie" Blush

LessMissAbs · 21/05/2013 00:45

I'm going to start using feather stroker as a generic term for a timewasty sort of man who can't kiss a woman or ask her out, but constantly hangs around, purporting to be suffering angst at the continuing lack of action.

YoniBottsBumgina · 21/05/2013 00:49

:o AF you are my hero.

Shaky · 21/05/2013 00:58

AF, I'm afraid I am
PLEASE don't make me spend the rest of my life hiding on the pink side. [mortified face]

cherhorowitz · 21/05/2013 15:51

Schools out. Where's OP?

NotDead · 21/05/2013 17:22

Hello, after reflecting I realise I am the sort of person who usually has women making the first move, well at least at the jumping on and snogging bit. I'd like to say its because I am nice, but its probably because I am creepy and intimidating enough without leaning in on poor unsuspecting virginal innocent women. Its no wonder I am bemused by this situation!

FWIW I am DEFINITELY not a feather stroker! That's just cheek - I mean I might be nice to a woman and stroke her hair or something but not BEFORE doing her.. if you are coaxing someone into doing you by stroking then its more like you are trying to hypnotise a chicken - and much as I like a woman bent over with her nose in the road, chicken hypnosis/eggsack fucking is not what I'm about at all.

I think perhaps there is a block between us that is worth me paying attention to, so I have decided that after telling her I fantasise about her sexually, and that I could see us together in a relationship too, that I will just leave it and see how eager she is to see me/meet me after that has been said.

She is still talking to me, so if we are long term pals it will be something to laugh at.. and if we start going out.. well it will also be something to laugh at.. my clumsy start at chatting up someone who already liked me by mentioning sex and not connection in another way.

In some ways she reminds me of a female friend I had earlier in my life who ended up with one of my friends - she did like me, and we did have sex with someone watching for a bit (just circumstances, not set up) at a sort of drunken in-the-flat-we-shared night. It turns out she liked me but thought me too wild for a sensible relationship . Mind you it could have been true at the time. I was sad at her wedding but thought that she was at least with someone more likely to be content with the kind of life she wanted.

Oh well. I guess this is a 'sometimes you meet someone because they need you, sometimes you meet someone because you need them' - this has made me realise what I really like in a woman and that is a hell of a lot of sexual attraction as a priority, so there you go, a useful exercise if not necessarily one that will fix up the rest of my life. Would still like the family though, and ideally without making do but perhaps that's what will happen..

Thanks for your help and bitchy tomfoolery - at least I can be entertaining without mentioning anyone's 'Yoni' :)

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NotDead · 21/05/2013 18:26

I think I will, yes! Dammit its not showing up. where .

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BOF · 21/05/2013 18:42

And what was your professional involvement with her?

Back2Two · 21/05/2013 18:48

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AnyFucker · 21/05/2013 21:21

The more you type, the weirder you get

Shinyshinyface · 21/05/2013 21:37

The more he types, the less I understand ANYTHING. Is it me or do his sentences just not makes sense when strung together?

KittyVonCatsworth · 21/05/2013 21:41

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SomewhereBeyondTheSea · 21/05/2013 22:06

"Doing her". Ick.

anicenewname · 21/05/2013 22:16

Op. It is a Mumsnet requirement that you answer the questions! What was the professional relationship? My guess is mental health nurse...

Ruralninja · 21/05/2013 22:18

I have come out of hiding to gasp at 'eggsack fucking'. What in the name of all that's good and true, is eggsack fucking? Actually, please don't' answer that. Dear fucking fuck!