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I've been dumped by my friend and am quite upset about it :(

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redandyellowbits · 19/05/2013 21:57

Contrary to what this might sound like, I am not a 15 year old schoolgirl. Believe it or not I am a 38yr old working woman, I have a DH, DC, great family and friends.

So here is my story...

I moved to my current city 7 years ago (for DHs job), and didn't know anyone here. After I had DD1 I made friends with Jane.

When I was pg with DD2, Jane introduced me to Alison. Turns out that DD1 and Alisons DD were only 2 weeks apart in age, and both our DC2 were due within weeks of each other.

Alison and I got on really well, and, amongst other things, we are both in mixed-culture relationships, we are of the same background, and our DHs are of a same background too.

Over the past three years we have chatted on a daily/weekly basis about kids, families, and our personal lives. We always call each other for a moan, text every now and again, although we didn't meet up much - once or twice a month maximum as we are both busy with work, families, etc. This has never been an issue, and we are both pretty independent people who like our space.

Our DC2 were born 6 weeks apart from each other, they are in the same group at nursery and are really good friends. We usually meet one day outside of nursery too and our DC2 love this.

Alison is lovely to know, and knows a lot of people. People really seem to warm to her, and, as she chats to everyone, shy mums in particular really seemed to develop close friendships with her - i.e. they would confide in her, and then get to slightly stalker-ish stage where they want to go over to her house, or always bugging her to go out, which she didn't like, but was happy to chat to them at the school gates.

Eventually it would all get a bit much for her and she would end up cutting them out. I never met these mums, but there was always one or another she would tell me about. We always joke about how she attracts weirdos.

Occasionally she would have arguments with school mums - e.g. they blocked her car in and wouldn't let her leave as she had accidentally taken one of their regular parking spaces when she first passed her test.

The latest one has been that they found out she was a parent volunteer on a week long residential trip with her DS and these school mums accused her of 'arse-licking' the teachers to get to be on the trip.

This week, she suddenly started acting really strange and off with me - I genuinely have no idea why. I invited her and her DC to my DDs birthday party via text (because I would not have seen her that day, it wasn't a nursery day). She sent me a really shirty reply. I text her back, asked if everything was ok, she said no, not really, and I called her.

She said she had been talking to the school mums - one of whom has just had a baby and the subject of baby names came up. Now my DD3 (a baby, aged 8mo) has the same name as her DD1 (Yr 1, aged 6years).

This just happened to be a name my DH liked, I asked Alison if it was ok that we used it and she said no problem, said quite happily and with no hint that it was not ok.

So she was talking to these mums, some of them know me from playgroups etc, and started telling Alison that I wasn't to be trusted, because I 'stole' her DDs name!! They said my DD3s name was of a different style to my other two DDs, and that I reminded them of the stalker mums who used to hero-worship Alison a bit. It was so ridiculous I laughed when she said this.

She said it has messed with her head, and she cant stop thinking about how silly they are, etc. I asked who said this and she doesn't want to tell me and cause further upset. Which is really frustrating for me as I am quite happy to tell them to take a running jump.

I asked if my DDs name was a problem to her (not that I can do anything about this now!) and she kept insisting it isn't. But something they said must have hit a nerve.

This all happened on Friday. She has then removed herself from a FB group conversations that Alison, Jane and I have had going for nearly a year, we are not on it every day, but all three contribute equally and use this for every day chit chat. Again I asked if anything was wrong, and I could come over to talk it through with her but she kept insisting everything is fine.

So I decided to carry on as normal, text her about something funny that happened to me this weekend as I usually would, and got very short replies - e.g. we are chilling this weekend/I am busy tomorrow/etc. So no details or natural chit-chat from her. I can tell she has decided she is going to keep me at a distance and let our friendship fizzle out.

If I am honest she is my closest friend in this city and I feel gutted for having lost a best mate when I really don't know why. There is obviously more to what the school mums have said and I am really pissed off that she has listened to them and taken their word for whatever this issue is. I have genuinely no idea what it could be, I am a pretty honest, upfront and decent person.

I also feel like a stupid schoolgirl for being upset in this way. I am also pissed off that my 3yo DC2 may be losing her friend (Alisons DC2) because of the mums falling out. But mostly quite pissed off that I am being dumped with no explanation.

Please help me to feel better about this.

OP posts:
Loulybelle · 20/05/2013 22:25

Oi, nothing wrong with Leo's, me, DD, DN and my friend are all Leo's.

SauceForTheGander · 20/05/2013 22:28

Me too! And my fantastic DN, brilliant grandmother and grandfather. I've never behaved like that!

LoveBeingUpAt4InTheMorning · 20/05/2013 22:30

You can start the ex Wendy club

Juniperdewdropofbrandy · 20/05/2013 22:35

Eeeek I wouldn't let my teenage boys watch SATC. Not that they would of course.

Dorange · 20/05/2013 22:37

Don't want to offend Leos
But is just a thought, as I know someone very similar

cansu · 20/05/2013 22:39

She sounds very childish. Being upset about a name eight months on is stupid. Getting involved in arguments with other mums and all this talk about freezing out people who seemed to want to be friends with her is all very very pathetic and just unpleasant. I wouldn't be feeding into all this drama by texting or phoning to ask if she is ok or trying to sort it out. I would leave it. If she values your friendship she will get a grip and apologise for acting like this or she won't and you are well rid. Personally I have got enough shit in my life to deal with without playground style dramas with supposed friends! Surely when older you get to leave this stuff behind?

SherbertStraws · 20/05/2013 23:02

I share your pain op, I got wendied last week and I just feel anger right now.

dontyouwantmebaby · 20/05/2013 23:17

scarletforya couldn't have worded it any more accurately. absolutely bang on word for word!

I think everyone has encountered someone like your friend here OP, be very wary of someone who slags others off as it will always be you next in line sooner or later. It can happen at any age quite sadly!

You're better off without this person in your life.

redandyellowbits · 22/05/2013 10:07

Well our friendship is definitely over, she usually texts me to sort out Tuesdays, our regular meeting day at her house, and she didn't do this this week.

I must admit I was a bit sad and lonely staying at home with DD yesterday when she wanted to go play with Alison's DS, but it was a nice one-on-one day with her baking a cake instead.

I can just imagine the bitching she is spreading about me :(

But to counteract this, I have:

  • Invited a new mum friend over after school (I hate after-school play dates but it's the only time she can do)
  • Arranged to go out with some friends on Friday morning with our preschoolers, and then to mine for lunch
  • Invited some 'new' DCs to DDs birthday party

Weirdly I am bumping into mums this week, who I used to think were odd based on Alison's reports of conversations they had had. But I am seeing them as normal balanced women instead. They may have had the odd strange conversation, I don't really care if they have, but I am not labelling them in the way Alison did, and am happy to develop some more casual friendships instead of one intense one.

Onwards and upwards :)

OP posts:
redandyellowbits · 22/05/2013 10:10

Sherbertstraws share your anger with me - I am trying to let mine go but need to vent somewhere!

OP posts:
kerala · 22/05/2013 12:42

One of my regrets with mine was not having it out with her. I was a drip and just took it - she eventually met a man and got married very quickly (didnt invite me to the hen night despite us having been inseparable "best friends" for the previous two years and my being the only friend she invited to the religious part of the wedding) and moved town. She even said to a mutual friend "I have treated Kerala appallingly".

Different situation to you as you have to live in the same community we were both early twenties. Bizarrely I bumped into her in a luxury hotel in the middle of India a few years later. It was such a coincidence. I was with now DH and hilariously she was with a different man, not the one she had married, so I guess she had the same modus operandi with men as she did with friends. She is deeply competitive and was obviously furious that I was working for a much better law firm than her.

Anyway she came over to say hello and I was barely civil DH was Shock as he had never seen me treat anyone like that before. It was amusing watching her and her new man scuttle around trying to avoid us for the rest of the holiday I took great pleasure in sitting by the pool so they had to skulk in their room ha ha ha.

She has dumped you, she is damaged, you will grieve but onwards and upwards.

TippiShagpile · 22/05/2013 12:56

Please please put it out of your mind that the other mums think you're mad/a bitch/a stalker. They won't. They will see you as a victim number 25 (or whatever) of Alison's weird and controlling behaviour and, I suspect, will be thinking you lasted longer than the others but that's about it.

You'll also find the other mums being more friendly towards you because you are now no longer joined at the hip with Alison. They will be pleased for you that you have managed to disengage. I imagine they held back because they thought you and Alison would bitch about them all day.

I have a lot of fabulous and wonderful friends who make my life happy and complete. However, I never ever let my friendships become so all consuming in the way that your friendship with Alison was (and I mean that kindly). I certainly wouldn't discuss every row I'd ever had with my husband or anything remotely like that.

I think your relationship with her was too intense from the off and her dumping you has been the best thing that could have happened. Smile

SixPackWellies · 22/05/2013 16:38

I agree with Tiggi's first two paragraphs completely.

When my Wendy/Alison dumped me, i had people come up to me. ring me etc and invite me to dinners and BBQs, as they were 'too scared' to do it before. When you are in the inner circle, you are tarred, and once you are out people know what has happened (because it happened to them) and so they can be friendly.

Don;'t waste time worrying about thwta she says about you. Most people know it is crap. My Alison told all and sundry i had ruined her relationship with her (24 year old) son. I'd only met him once, and a good year before the falling out, so that claim (among others) was so baffling that i just laughed.

They live in their own reality.

Juniperdewdropofbrandy · 22/05/2013 17:43

Sounds positive. And no the other mums won't be thinking anything of the sort. Unless they're as unhinged as A and then who gives a shit Wink

Laura0806 · 23/05/2013 13:10

Oh my goodness ( and no offence to any lovely Leos) but almost the same things happened to me ( she was a leo). We were such close friends over a number of years and then she suddenly( a jealously thing over our children) she started edging me out of her life. Its been awful as we have the same mutual friends and I feel like I have to stay away from all of them as I feel so uncomfortable when shes around as shes vile to me (nasty looks/ignoring what i say). Shes fallen out with a lot of people in her time and will again but this started 8 months ago and I am still finding it very hard to deal with despite having many other friends because I have to see her every day at school. We're 38 aswell and I seriously didn't even experience this sort of behaviour when I was at school, I didn't even realise that it happened. SO sorry i have no advice to give apart from to say youre not alone and from what you've said Alison doesn't sound like a very nice person. i can't imagine calling people wierdos who were probably only trying to make friends. However, she sounds very similar to my 'friend'! I just wish Id realsied it sooner. My issue is that other poeple havent' realised it and as shes naturally more outgoing, more friendly invites people round for parties all the time ( excluding me now) it feels very lonely. im also gutted that some of our mutual frineds haven't been more supportive to me as they know what shes done but dont want to rock the boat ( I think they suspect what shes like). Im therefore in the process of making a whole new lot of friends so keep talking and let us know how you are getting on

Laura0806 · 23/05/2013 13:17

oh and red andyellowbits, Im the same, I pretend I don't care and I know in my head Im better off without her but I cant help the anger and the upset and Im 8 months on!!! I just can't get away from the women, every night out, every school drop off and she doens't give a toss! Shes lovely to all the poeple shes once slagged off and they have no idea and it drives me crazy but theres nothing I can do apart from rise above it and move on....hard I know but reading other peoples similar threads does help so feel free to vent to me!!

springymater · 23/05/2013 14:17

This thread has come at an opportune time - it's just happened to me!

The awful thing is that I knew she wasn't right. She idolised me and I was very uncomfortable with that, recognising it wasn't balanced. I knew the day would come when I was no longer the apple of her eye. It hurts only slightly less that the end came very suddenly - and for no obvious reason, other than she had tired of 'me'.

I have been very vulnerable in the past year - some awful domestic stuff - and I do think that is part of the reason these types latch on. I gradually realised that everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - had to go her way. She was, and is, very charming, lovely and generous; you'd think one of the genuine ones. Maybe she is on some level...

BUT... she was around at a very difficult time in my life. The quality of our friendship may or may not have been fake/genuine on some level, but it got me through a horrible time. Aison's support when you were a new mum was genuine - or as genuine as a person like this is capable of.

As someone said, you have to feel sorry for those who have no choice but to be in her orbit. piratecat is on the money imo:

she likes things her way and only survives things on her terms. she has cemented your friendship by almost making you feel like this normal person who isn't like the hangers on she tells you of. but there aren't any stalkers op they were prob people who wanted to make friends with this seemingly outgoing person. who actually is not what she portrays

SauceForTheGander · 23/05/2013 14:43

Hmm no offence to lovely Leos? It is shallow and offensive I'm afraid and you couldn't get away with saying " I have a friend with blue eyes who did this, what colour eyes did your friend have"

Even if astrology was an accurate way of determining personality you cannot attribute traits to just the sun sign.

I don't believe in astrology however know enough about it to say the sun sign is considered ny the belivers to be just one of the influences on personality. For those that believe in the planetary influence know its the full natal chart that counts I.e where all the planets were at time and place of birth.

To imply that this is Leo thing is really wrong even to those who buy into astrology.

Laura0806 · 23/05/2013 16:10

sorry, it was more said tongue in cheek. You're right there are lovely and tricky folk in all the zodiac signs and Im not a big believer in astrology, I dont think anyone meant any offence, I certainly didn't!

SauceForTheGander · 23/05/2013 18:15

I feel like a dickwad for not realising you we're being tongue in cheek.

Shitters, did I behave like a typical Leo. Gah.

Smile
Grinkly · 23/05/2013 18:38

OP said I have no family or close friends in this city
But you are probably like all the other 'stalkers' she sneered at. Trying to make friends in a new situation. You, being normal, got taken in by this manipulative individual.
You might be sad that the friendship was lost but remember all the other people out there she was mocking are really like you. Just wanting some nice friendships. So I'm sure you'll find some real friends soon.

lougle · 23/05/2013 18:54

It's a bizarre thing. I experienced it only last month. It was an online friendship that developed over several years....but we'd got friendly enough that we'd text message despite living in different continents.

This woman needed quite a lot of support and it felt mutual, until one day I was having a bad day, and didn't take her advice and cradle it like a precious jewel, but instead told her, honestly, that I couldn't cope with the conversation that day, but would talk another day.

She basically erased me from her life.

We did talk, a few days later, whereby she launched her character assassination of me. It was ironic - she was projecting massively and her description of me was completely untrue. When I explained that she had hurt me too, she said 'It's not all about you, Lougle'. Well...no...but one day in 3 years that I've had a bad day...Grin

Happily, I have a good DH, and another good friend who both said, independently, 'don't be so ridiculous'.

So, I've moved on. It's absolutely liberating and taught me that you don't really know someone until you are having a bad day.

redandyellowbits · 23/05/2013 19:00

Laura0806, springymater and everyone else who has been Wendied/Alisoned sorry to hear this has happened to you to. Thank you for letting me vent here, I am taking everyone's advice onboard, so thank you for that. I think I just need to keep expelling my negative thoughts here until the day I no longer give a shit about her or this.

I feel like an utter idiot being upset over this but somehow cannot shake my disappointment that people like this really existent, and my disbelief/anger that something so ridiculous has happened to me.

I had to text her yesterday as she had lent me a baby bouncer (for my name-stealer baby, back when this didn't seem to be an issue Hmm). I text to thanks for lending it, and its on your sons peg at nursery (or usual way of dropping things off for each other). She text me back saying its fine, everything she had lent me she didn't need back and I could pass on or give to charity. She finished with this line: 'I will have something back though, xxxx's name! Lol!X' I didn't reply to the text.

So the name thing obviously is an issue, but weirdly, 9 months after my daughter was named, and based on school ground gossip from some mums (if that is true)!

I had butterflies/a sick feeling in my stomach on the drive in to nursery this morning, worried that I might see her. I tend to stammer or go red or totally waffle when I am nervous or uncomfortable and I didn't want it to be obvious to her that I am upset by this.

As it was I was running late, walking in and she was leaving. She said hello in a very high-pitched, strained way like she was trying (and failing to sound normal). I said hi as I was passing but didn't stop.

I met some other (normal!) friends for lunch today, I ended up telling two of them the situation, because I was so upset by the the whole situation I really wasn't being myself. They both agreed it's very strange and immature behaviour.

I have now got half a mind to text and say 'Are we really never going to speak again because of my baby's name? If you would like to sort it out feel free to give me a call' but I guess that's playing into the stalker-mum scenario.

The nursery have a lunch next term to which all parents are invited, she is going with her DH and I know my DD will want to sit with them. I'm dreading it already!

OP posts:
picnicbasketcase · 23/05/2013 19:08

She sounds like a nasty shitstirrer tbh. I really wouldn't text her about your DD's name, just leave it now. There was no reason at all to put that last bit in her text other than to make you feel bad. Of course you will mourn the friendship you used to have but it sounds like the friend in question is no great loss.

Dorange · 23/05/2013 19:09

Don't txt her anymore.
Go to the lunch and treat her as an acquaintance, don't be fake and don't be friendly to her.