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Marriage ended after 27 years. This is "My Death".

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mrsmciver · 12/05/2013 12:43

My husband left 4 weeks ago after I found some dubious e-mails to another woman he works with. I have posted about this on another thread, but still need the support from all you lovely ladies out there.
I asked him to go to his mum's after I went mad screaming and shouting and both of us crying. He went to his mum's, then round to my parents explaining himself and accepting all the blame.
I still let him in the house later that night and we both sat talking and crying about how we would get over this, then he collected some things and went back to his mothers.
I phoned him the next morning demanding the ow mob number but he would not give it to me as he said i would jeapardise his job if she went to his boss. We were both still crying and he asked what to get for his breakfast as his mum only has fried food and he likes to keep fit and eat well so he went to shop to buy that and washing powder for his clothes.
He also came up later that afternoon and we both talked some more. He said he had been very flattered by the attentions of this high powered business woman and had got carried away, swore there was nothing physical.
He told me he would give me her mob number once I had calmed down and to be careful what to say to her as it would cost him his job. he said he would give it to me the next morning whilst on the train as he was away for a few days on a business meeting.
Next morning he phoned and gave me her number, I put it in the drawer as after all the trauma I could not face calling her, was in no state to do so. later that evening after another sleepless night, he phoned sounding like his normal self, and I told him I had not contacted her, but he probably knew that as she would have phoned him if I had.
I then asked him when he was coming home and he said he wasn't. he said it was so out of character for him to do that and that the blinkers had been taken off his eyes and that he must have been very unhappy to have done it in the first place.
I got very upset, begged him to come home, but he won't. He is staying at his mum's. I ended up in hospital after trying to end it all. Can't imagine life without him. And now he wants to settle all our financial affairs and divorce. Am distraught. We have two daughters, one is sitting her Higher exams right now and the other is expecting a baby. They have been so wonderful, they are so strong, told me I am better without him. He had been treating me badly weeks before and I knew something was "off", that was why I had looked at his phone.
He has said he can't forgive me for looking at his phone and have now destroyed all trust. And that I would make his life hell as I would now be paranoid and forever questioning what he is doing.
He says he has no energy left, nothing to give, and that my health problems have drained him. I have anxiety and stress. But it is not as if he was a carer, I did most things for him! He doesn't know what he wants, but he knows he does not want "this.
I am devastated, cannot do this anymore. Have been a mess, shaking stuttering, he was over Frid night and said he is never coming back and that we will be divorcing.
How do I do this? How can I live without him? We have been married for 27 years, ever since we were 15 years old.
I always had a feeling I would die early, in my forties, and this is it, this is "my death", I will never get over this. It is getting worse.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 20/06/2013 09:17

Anyway, sorry for typos, have a lovely walk with your DSis who sounds so sensible and a fab support to you.

mrsmciver · 20/06/2013 09:20

How true Lambzig,

Will probably be too exhausted with new baby grandaughter to give him a second thought, well, I hope so anyway.
Do you think he realises what he has given up?
No probably not. He is set on his own very selfish path. Whatever that may be.
He has lost a lot of respect from so many people now. He has been a huge disappointment to us. And he can't face that.

I would love to meet someone who is decent, kind and would put us before himself. I hope that he is out there somewhere. I hope my soul mate is waiting for me somewhere. Let me heal, and then I will be ready for him.

can't believe I am thinking like that. Don't worry, am nowhere near ready for that yet, but would love to think there is a gentleman out there who is for me and would be good to my girls too. xxx

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MumnGran · 20/06/2013 09:21

I do so love this word "twunt" that keeps popping up!!

MumnGran · 20/06/2013 09:23

OH MRS M ......... BRILLIANT, whether you realised it or not!!

"Let me heal and then I will be ready for him"
so much progress hidden in one short phrase.
Way to go ...................

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 20/06/2013 09:25

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mrsmciver · 20/06/2013 09:27

twunt, yes that is a very good descriptive word of my exh at the very least.

My sister calls him twat face.

My mum calls him anything that comes to mind at that moment. Thing seems to be a favourite. Well, she is elderly!

Friends call him scumbag.

I call him all of the above and many more!Grin

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skyeskyeskye · 20/06/2013 10:11

My twunt is referred to as Twunt in my iphone and email folder. I should change it now that DD is able to spell. Just imagine her on the phone to him one day "Daddy, what does T.w.u.n.t spell.........." Grin

MrsM - you are sounding positive again today. Keep those thoughts in your head and have a good day. I also think that you and MnG should go on holiday together Grin. You will need separate rooms though for all those men. It doesn't matter what your H has thrown away, because you still have it.

I am having a difficult day as today is the anniversary of OW's stillborn baby. We visited them in hospital, we went to the funeral. Then I got pregnant a month later and she cut us off as couldnt be near babies or toddlers. As tragic as it was for her, it was that that got my H's sympathy some 5 years later when she cried all over him about it, when he gave her a lift one day..... How a woman could use something like that to get a man, is beyond me.... She was described as "fragile" before that happened and now because of her "issues", her H lets her get away with everything.

lamb - XH only lived with them for 6 months, but everybody said it was weird. He went everywhere with them, shopping, supermarket, days out, family holiday with them and her parents.... totally bizarre situation. He has his own place now, which he is already thinking of downsizing because he can't afford it...

MumnGran - I sincerely hope that my XH one day deeply regrets what he has done. He has said that he knows what he did was wrong, he is not proud of anything that happened and that he is full of remorse and has to live with it every day..... I just said - yes, and so does your daughter........ But what I want is for him to wake up one day and say WTF did I do to my life.........

I dread to think of DD getting married, thank god she is only 5! Maybe by the time she gets hitched, I will be past the stage of wanting to knife him when I see him......

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 20/06/2013 10:17

The white knight saves distressed maiden scenario. Or in his case, someone (only just) young enough to be his own DD.

Lambzig · 20/06/2013 10:24

Mrs M, so glad you were up better today. Love that you are seeing a future. So much progress.

Of course he will regret it, heavens know what he is thinking, but you can bet he had a miserable holiday.

Skye that woman is a mess, what a toxic person to be around. I bet your DH truly regrets it now. And yes he does have to live with it, but no sympathy from me.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 20/06/2013 10:27

DD1 has moved out hasn't she, how is your DD2 this week?

MumnGran · 20/06/2013 11:17

Skye, I am so sorry its a rubbish day.
You have been so strong, and come so very far.
The unquantifiable factor is that, when your DD does marry, she will enter into it with the most amazing role model for womanhood and motherhood.......strong, courageous, caring ....and full of spirit.
(and I bet she asks you to give the speech!!)

Whatever the toxic OW does, or doesn't do, is so far beneath you that it is not even worth giving consideration to.

mrsmciver · 20/06/2013 15:08

skye, have just came back on, I am sorry it's a bad day for you.

Remember though skye, you are on the up and up here. You are getting better all the time, whereas your twunt is in stale mate and no further forward with anything at all! You are starting to rebuild your life - he isn't-he is after the same piece of skirt that is keeping him dangling like a fish. You are moving forward. You are ready to date another man!

Have been thinking hard today Ladies.

Exh re twat face is spending all that money getting his teeth done right?
Now he warned me before he left not to touch the savings as 'I wouldn't want to take him on would I?'

Ooh I feel a little spending spree coming upon me!!

What would I like to get done? Mmmm.....

Why the feck should I do as I am told? I think I am going to be very good to myself! He will be ill if he knew what I am planning now. Grin

Probably should be saving for the future and not touching it but I want to go out with a bang and have a good time. And by feck do I want to look good doing it. I think I have had a little epiphany. Wink

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MumnGran · 20/06/2013 15:19

I think I have had a little epiphany
...or even a major one! go girl.

he said " I wouldn't want to take him on would I? "
.....and you ever had ANY doubt that this man was a controlling bully? He has a serious shock coming when the divorce hits!
Just make sure you keep the evidence re the teeth, so you can justify that you were only matching spend for spend, if he challenges you via solicitors.
....and £1,000 is going to buy some very nice shoes, and a spa day makeover Grin

MumnGran · 20/06/2013 15:21

....or even pay for a decorator to come in and sort out the new decor for you!

Lambzig · 20/06/2013 15:49

Spend a little and then you could be super sensible and move half the savings into an account in your name (plus 1 k to balance out the teeth)

After all you are just protecting it from his profligate spending.

Just saying

So let me get this straight, you are worrying about being able to buy food while there is a savings account sitting there and you are not touching it because he told you not to? Not sure controlling bully quite covers it, but I am outraged on your behalf.

Please stay on Mumsnet Mrs M because its going to be very interesting watching you change over the next few months.

He really underestimates you doesn't he?

hellsbellsmelons · 20/06/2013 16:59

OH MRS M ......... BRILLIANT, whether you realised it or not!!

I've been lurking and your post on this page is so much more positive.
It's a joy to see, it really is.

So many of us have been through this and we are all telling you that it does and will get better.

Mine left over 4 years ago now. I was in an on/off 2.5 year 'thing' with a twunt. True realisation came about last week!

Gotta laugh though or else you'd cry.

Thing is, when I did start to get over the loss, I found myself. I was no longer part of this couple thing. I wasn't one half of Janet and John (not real names). It's amazing how that happens.

I look better than ever and I know in my mid 40's that my life is by no means over. It's just about to start and I can't wait.

I'm so pleased you are sounding more upbeat. One day at a time.

skyeskyeskye · 20/06/2013 17:21

MrsM - just transfer 50% into an account in your own name for safekeeping... there is not much he can do about that...

MumnGran · 20/06/2013 18:06

Supporting Skye and Lamb's view!
If I had stopped to think about it, I think I had assumed that the savings were not fully accessible to you, but if they are in joint names then you have every right to take out 50% and save it somewhere else......if only for your own protection.
Otherwise, what happens if he decides to clear the account one day!!!

The downside is that you are then spending your own money on the shoefest ......
not such a good plan Sad

Lavenderhoney · 20/06/2013 18:29

Mrsm, if its a joint account, take out half calculated from the day he told you and stick it in your own account. Perhaps after you have paid for your planned adventure:) and any you need to pay for any bills coming up for your dd at home.

Be quick, before he thinks of moving money himself as he might be short after the holiday.

Really- he takes the biscuit, he really does. Do you need to see your solicitor again?

mrsmciver · 20/06/2013 20:46

Umm, what would happen if most of the savings were in my name? Just hypothetically?
And I do not have enough for day to day living? Could I use them? Well I know I could, but what I mean is would any money used be taken out of my share of the money then when it came to being divided up?
How would that work?
Just hypothetically.

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MumnGran · 20/06/2013 21:12

I think you should pop over to the "legal forum (click here asap, and just post the same question there. Preface the post with "Wondering if someone could give me the correct legal position on a matrimonial split question?" That should ensure you get a high level of qualified people responding ...there are lots of lawyers on MN Smile. Make sure you also include the current struggle to make ends meet, and his inferred threat.

Experience tells me that there are no his n hers in divorce, because all assets have to be declared on form () and divisions are then calculated. Failure to declare assets, or disposing so they can't be included is a dodgy path.
However .... you are short of money, savings are in your own name and I would think you can clearly demonstrate that the funds are 'needed to survive'
might exclude the shoe shopping Sad

Good to hear that you are really starting to get it together now Mrs M. Seriously sorting stuff out for yourself.

skyeskyeskye · 20/06/2013 22:01

everything has to be declared on Form E. All our savings were in my name because of XH's tendancy to spend everything then get into debt...... so it looked like I had everything and he had nothing... oh yeah, that's right :D

so you declare everything in your name, so does he. Remember that you are entitled to a half share of any pensions that he has. That could be worth a lot to you in 20 years time... everything starts at 50/50 as long as house etc is 50/50. Then if you have to keep a roof over DD's head until she leaves school/uni, you should get a greater share of the house etc. anything he is entitled to, could be held up until youngest DD is 18.

But, it obviously varies person to person, so do get good legal advice.

mrsmciver · 20/06/2013 22:09

Oh dear, well you only live once.
If it has to come out of my share then so be it. I am going to be doing worse then!
I am doing something for my youngest daughter. I saw her tired strained face the other day and thought of something that she would love to do. Very expensive but so be it. She has been through a lot these last few weeks. No young girl should have to have been through what she has and especially at that time in her life.(I did not help matters because of the suicidal mess that I was).
So be it. I will deal with the proceeds of the divorce when I have to.

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skyeskyeskye · 20/06/2013 22:18

well, form E is declared at the time of writing it, so if you have no savings left by then..... oh dear, what a shame Grin

what a wonderful idea. and if you are spending savings on your DD, then you are not spending it on yourself, you are spending it on your child. She deserves a treat, after doing her exams under such pressure. you are a fantastic mother.

and if he doesn't like it, tell the Twunt to fuck off to the far side of fuck and when he gets there, fuck off some more.... to quote a well known MN phrase

MumnGran · 20/06/2013 22:19

I think that's a lovely idea [smile}
...and would think any judge would understand that treating your DD after the upsets of recent weeks, and all the exam stress, is not "disposing of assets"!!

Your solicitor should really be able to give you a picture of what finances should shape up to, but I do think that given that you cannot work due to health issues, and have long been mainly supported by him ... you should get a favourable settlement.

Just don't do what I did ...believing his bull, and his control ....signed away massive rights, just so it would be over and I could start to pick up the shreds.

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